Questions

Are there really some muscles which are harder to train? Which ones?
Why?

No matter how hard you work out your arms, they'll never be as big as
your legs, because the muscles involved are different types, "white"
and "red" fiber??

Some muscles -- like the delts or calves -- are shaped even more by
genetics than by training compared to other muscles, like biceps and
triceps?

Some muscles -- like abs -- recover faster and so should be exercised
with very short rest periods (mere seconds, like ten)? Some muscles
-- like those digital flexors worked by wrist curls -- can be worked
on every day?

Are muscles like .mp3 players: they never really go totally out,
there's always some energy left, but they will stop working
nonetheless, at a certain point, while reserving just enough energy
for "household chores" (in the case of .mp3 players, they stop playing
music but have enough juice left to maintain the time and date and
display a message that they're outta juice; in the case of muscles,
they will not lift another rep, but still have juice to pick up a
solid gold bar if one were around)???

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> schreef:

> Some muscles -- like abs -- recover faster and so should be exercised
> with very short rest periods (mere seconds, like ten)?

The abs are usually trained with low intensity.

> Some muscles -- like those digital flexors worked by wrist curls -- can be
> worked
> on every day?

Try 85% 1RM for multiple sets and see what happens.

--
Pete

On May 24, 3:00 am, "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>
>
> The abs are usually trained with low intensity.

Why? Are they a different kind of muscle fiber?

Many people recommend high reps but fairly low weights. I do high
reps and high weights and I love it. Many also recommend very little
or, even, no rest between sets (the claim is that abs recover much
faster than other muscles -- ??). I've now adopted this too, and love
it. Arnold claims to have worked his out each session, which I do
too, and seem to find no harm in it. But I was just curious....

> Try 85% 1RM for multiple sets and see what happens.

I have, when I first did them (I'd say it was ~95% 1RM), for multiple
reps and sets of, like, 10-15x7. I got an awesome burn and pump! But
no DOMS the next day, etc. Still able to practice piano with no
problems! =)

BTW: I've asked the question before, but let me try again: how does
working out the forearms affect musicians? Are there any bodybuilding
musicians?? (Besides the prima donnas who like to toot their own
horns.)

If the forearms are muscles which can be worked out every day
(according to Arnold), then there probably wouldn't be any effect on
the ability (the dexterity involved) in playing musical
instruments....

> --
> Pete

On May 24, 1:17 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Are there really some muscles which are harder to train? Which ones?
> Why?

Back, most people neglect working it since they can;t see it working.
Calves, Its either you got it or you don't (but let's just hope that's
not the case, coz im working hard on it )

> No matter how hard you work out your arms, they'll never be as big as
> your legs, because the muscles involved are different types, "white"
> and "red" fiber??

I don't know why. But just thinking my arms as big as my legs make me
freak out. lol

>
> Some muscles -- like the delts or calves -- are shaped even more by
> genetics than by training compared to other muscles, like biceps and
> triceps?

Nope. my delts before are freakin weak and small. but with a years
of experience you'll developed that knowledge on how to properly train
them. now i get most of the praise a bout my delts than other guys at
my gym. =)

> Some muscles -- like abs -- recover faster and so should be exercised
> with very short rest periods (mere seconds, like ten)? Some muscles
> -- like those digital flexors worked by wrist curls -- can be worked
> on every day?

I'm not sure, but there are people who doesnt directly work fores but
still got this huge fores.

> Are muscles like .mp3 players: they never really go totally out,
> there's always some energy left, but they will stop working
> nonetheless, at a certain point, while reserving just enough energy
> for "household chores" (in the case of .mp3 players, they stop playing
> music but have enough juice left to maintain the time and date and
> display a message that they're outta juice; in the case of muscles,
> they will not lift another rep, but still have juice to pick up a
> solid gold bar if one were around)???

once the range of motion had come short then you'll know you had
enough..

In news:1180355155.059316.226990@g37g2000prf.googlegr oups.com,
VinCe <sweet_rusky29@hotmail.com> typed:
> On May 24, 1:17 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Are there really some muscles which are harder to train? Which ones?
>> Why?
>
> Back, most people neglect working it since they can;t see it working.
> Calves, Its either you got it or you don't (but let's just hope that's
> not the case, coz im working hard on it )
>
>> No matter how hard you work out your arms, they'll never be as big as
>> your legs, because the muscles involved are different types, "white"
>> and "red" fiber??
>
> I don't know why. But just thinking my arms as big as my legs make me
> freak out. lol
>
>>
>> Some muscles -- like the delts or calves -- are shaped even more by
>> genetics than by training compared to other muscles, like biceps and
>> triceps?
>
> Nope. my delts before are freakin weak and small. but with a years
> of experience you'll developed that knowledge on how to properly train
> them.

I can bypass your years of knowledge.

3 sets of heavy d/bell presses
3 sets of bent over raises

QED

> now i get most of the praise a bout my delts than other guys at
> my gym. =)
>
>> Some muscles -- like abs -- recover faster and so should be exercised
>> with very short rest periods (mere seconds, like ten)? Some muscles
>> -- like those digital flexors worked by wrist curls -- can be worked
>> on every day?
>
> I'm not sure, but there are people who doesnt directly work fores but
> still got this huge fores.
>
>> Are muscles like .mp3 players: they never really go totally out,
>> there's always some energy left, but they will stop working
>> nonetheless, at a certain point, while reserving just enough energy
>> for "household chores" (in the case of .mp3 players, they stop
>> playing music but have enough juice left to maintain the time and
>> date and display a message that they're outta juice; in the case of
>> muscles, they will not lift another rep, but still have juice to
>> pick up a solid gold bar if one were around)???
>
> once the range of motion had come short then you'll know you had
> enough..



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

On May 29, 1:57 am, "Bully" <bull...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> Innews:1180355155.059316.226990@g37g2000prf.google groups.com,
> VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 24, 1:17 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Are there really some muscles which are harder to train? Which ones?
> >> Why?
>
> > Back, most people neglect working it since they can;t see it working.
> > Calves, Its either you got it or you don't (but let's just hope that's
> > not the case, coz im working hard on it )
>
> >> No matter how hard you work out your arms, they'll never be as big as
> >> your legs, because the muscles involved are different types, "white"
> >> and "red" fiber??
>
> > I don't know why. But just thinking my arms as big as my legs make me
> > freak out. lol
>
> >> Some muscles -- like the delts or calves -- are shaped even more by
> >> genetics than by training compared to other muscles, like biceps and
> >> triceps?
>
> > Nope. my delts before are freakin weak and small. but with a years
> > of experience you'll developed that knowledge on how to properly train
> > them.
>
> I can bypass your years of knowledge.
>
> 3 sets of heavy d/bell presses
> 3 sets of bent over raises
>
> QED
>
>
>
>
>
> > now i get most of the praise a bout my delts than other guys at
> > my gym. =)
>
> >> Some muscles -- like abs -- recover faster and so should be exercised
> >> with very short rest periods (mere seconds, like ten)? Some muscles
> >> -- like those digital flexors worked by wrist curls -- can be worked
> >> on every day?
>
> > I'm not sure, but there are people who doesnt directly work fores but
> > still got this huge fores.
>
> >> Are muscles like .mp3 players: they never really go totally out,
> >> there's always some energy left, but they will stop working
> >> nonetheless, at a certain point, while reserving just enough energy
> >> for "household chores" (in the case of .mp3 players, they stop
> >> playing music but have enough juice left to maintain the time and
> >> date and display a message that they're outta juice; in the case of
> >> muscles, they will not lift another rep, but still have juice to
> >> pick up a solid gold bar if one were around)???
>
> > once the range of motion had come short then you'll know you had
> > enough..
>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars:http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah sure, You can, IN your dreams. Its ok to boast sweetie, you
ain't got a physique to boot. Just trolling around the net pretending
to be a bodybuilder. nice try, but not close. Your knowledge failed
you. Go back to school.

be proud, it means you can be accelerated to grade 3 though =)

On May 29, 1:57 am, "Bully" <bull...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> Innews:1180355155.059316.226990@g37g2000prf.google groups.com,
> VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 24, 1:17 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Are there really some muscles which are harder to train? Which ones?
> >> Why?
>
> > Back, most people neglect working it since they can;t see it working.
> > Calves, Its either you got it or you don't (but let's just hope that's
> > not the case, coz im working hard on it )
>
> >> No matter how hard you work out your arms, they'll never be as big as
> >> your legs, because the muscles involved are different types, "white"
> >> and "red" fiber??
>
> > I don't know why. But just thinking my arms as big as my legs make me
> > freak out. lol
>
> >> Some muscles -- like the delts or calves -- are shaped even more by
> >> genetics than by training compared to other muscles, like biceps and
> >> triceps?
>
> > Nope. my delts before are freakin weak and small. but with a years
> > of experience you'll developed that knowledge on how to properly train
> > them.
>
> I can bypass your years of knowledge.
>
> 3 sets of heavy d/bell presses
> 3 sets of bent over raises
>
> QED
>
>
>
>
>
> > now i get most of the praise a bout my delts than other guys at
> > my gym. =)
>
> >> Some muscles -- like abs -- recover faster and so should be exercised
> >> with very short rest periods (mere seconds, like ten)? Some muscles
> >> -- like those digital flexors worked by wrist curls -- can be worked
> >> on every day?
>
> > I'm not sure, but there are people who doesnt directly work fores but
> > still got this huge fores.
>
> >> Are muscles like .mp3 players: they never really go totally out,
> >> there's always some energy left, but they will stop working
> >> nonetheless, at a certain point, while reserving just enough energy
> >> for "household chores" (in the case of .mp3 players, they stop
> >> playing music but have enough juice left to maintain the time and
> >> date and display a message that they're outta juice; in the case of
> >> muscles, they will not lift another rep, but still have juice to
> >> pick up a solid gold bar if one were around)???
>
> > once the range of motion had come short then you'll know you had
> > enough..
>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars:http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I can sense that you had a heart bypass, am sorry for you. Stop the
beer pop.

Buli
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the opurtunity in every opportunity; an optimist
sees
the difficulty in every difficulty." Sir Bully No More "

In news:1180509345.029039.218690@o11g2000prd.googlegr oups.com,
VinCe <sweet_rusky29@hotmail.com> typed:
> On May 29, 1:57 am, "Bully" <bull...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>> Innews:1180355155.059316.226990@g37g2000prf.google groups.com,
>> VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com> typed:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 24, 1:17 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Are there really some muscles which are harder to train? Which
>>>> ones? Why?
>>
>>> Back, most people neglect working it since they can;t see it
>>> working. Calves, Its either you got it or you don't (but let's just
>>> hope that's not the case, coz im working hard on it )
>>
>>>> No matter how hard you work out your arms, they'll never be as big
>>>> as your legs, because the muscles involved are different types,
>>>> "white" and "red" fiber??
>>
>>> I don't know why. But just thinking my arms as big as my legs make
>>> me freak out. lol
>>
>>>> Some muscles -- like the delts or calves -- are shaped even more by
>>>> genetics than by training compared to other muscles, like biceps
>>>> and triceps?
>>
>>> Nope. my delts before are freakin weak and small. but with a years
>>> of experience you'll developed that knowledge on how to properly
>>> train them.
>>
>> I can bypass your years of knowledge.
>>
>> 3 sets of heavy d/bell presses
>> 3 sets of bent over raises
>>
>> QED
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> now i get most of the praise a bout my delts than other guys at
>>> my gym. =)
>>
>>>> Some muscles -- like abs -- recover faster and so should be
>>>> exercised with very short rest periods (mere seconds, like ten)?
>>>> Some muscles -- like those digital flexors worked by wrist curls
>>>> -- can be worked on every day?
>>
>>> I'm not sure, but there are people who doesnt directly work fores
>>> but still got this huge fores.
>>
>>>> Are muscles like .mp3 players: they never really go totally out,
>>>> there's always some energy left, but they will stop working
>>>> nonetheless, at a certain point, while reserving just enough energy
>>>> for "household chores" (in the case of .mp3 players, they stop
>>>> playing music but have enough juice left to maintain the time and
>>>> date and display a message that they're outta juice; in the case of
>>>> muscles, they will not lift another rep, but still have juice to
>>>> pick up a solid gold bar if one were around)???
>>
>>> once the range of motion had come short then you'll know you had
>>> enough..
>>
>> --
>> Bully
>> Protein bars:http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>
>> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist
>> sees
>> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yeah sure, You can, IN your dreams. Its ok to boast sweetie, you
> ain't got a physique to boot. Just trolling around the net pretending
> to be a bodybuilder. nice try, but not close. Your knowledge failed
> you. Go back to school.
>
> be proud, it means you can be accelerated to grade 3 though =)

Who the fuck are all these tossers that have suddenly crawled out the
woodwork?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

On Wed, 30 May 2007 10:12:55 +0100, "Bully"
<bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

>In news:1180509345.029039.218690@o11g2000prd.googlegr oups.com,
>VinCe <sweet_rusky29@hotmail.com> typed:
>> On May 29, 1:57 am, "Bully" <bull...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>> Innews:1180355155.059316.226990@g37g2000prf.google groups.com,
>>> VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com> typed:
[...]

>>>
>>>> once the range of motion had come short then you'll know you had
>>>> enough..
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bully
>>> Protein bars:http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>>
>>> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist
>>> sees
>>> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill- Hide
>>> quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Yeah sure, You can, IN your dreams. Its ok to boast sweetie, you
>> ain't got a physique to boot. Just trolling around the net pretending
>> to be a bodybuilder. nice try, but not close. Your knowledge failed
>> you. Go back to school.
>>
>> be proud, it means you can be accelerated to grade 3 though =)
>
>Who the fuck are all these tossers that have suddenly crawled out the
>woodwork?

Why are they "tossers" and not the "numpties" you described them as
yesterday?

On May 30, 5:12 pm, "Bully" <bull...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> Innews:1180509345.029039.218690@o11g2000prd.google groups.com,
> VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 29, 1:57 am, "Bully" <bull...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >> Innews:1180355155.059316.226990@g37g2000prf.google groups.com,
> >> VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
> >>> On May 24, 1:17 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Are there really some muscles which are harder to train? Which
> >>>> ones? Why?
>
> >>> Back, most people neglect working it since they can;t see it
> >>> working. Calves, Its either you got it or you don't (but let's just
> >>> hope that's not the case, coz im working hard on it )
>
> >>>> No matter how hard you work out your arms, they'll never be as big
> >>>> as your legs, because the muscles involved are different types,
> >>>> "white" and "red" fiber??
>
> >>> I don't know why. But just thinking my arms as big as my legs make
> >>> me freak out. lol
>
> >>>> Some muscles -- like the delts or calves -- are shaped even more by
> >>>> genetics than by training compared to other muscles, like biceps
> >>>> and triceps?
>
> >>> Nope. my delts before are freakin weak and small. but with a years
> >>> of experience you'll developed that knowledge on how to properly
> >>> train them.
>
> >> I can bypass your years of knowledge.
>
> >> 3 sets of heavy d/bell presses
> >> 3 sets of bent over raises
>
> >> QED
>
> >>> now i get most of the praise a bout my delts than other guys at
> >>> my gym. =)
>
> >>>> Some muscles -- like abs -- recover faster and so should be
> >>>> exercised with very short rest periods (mere seconds, like ten)?
> >>>> Some muscles -- like those digital flexors worked by wrist curls
> >>>> -- can be worked on every day?
>
> >>> I'm not sure, but there are people who doesnt directly work fores
> >>> but still got this huge fores.
>
> >>>> Are muscles like .mp3 players: they never really go totally out,
> >>>> there's always some energy left, but they will stop working
> >>>> nonetheless, at a certain point, while reserving just enough energy
> >>>> for "household chores" (in the case of .mp3 players, they stop
> >>>> playing music but have enough juice left to maintain the time and
> >>>> date and display a message that they're outta juice; in the case of
> >>>> muscles, they will not lift another rep, but still have juice to
> >>>> pick up a solid gold bar if one were around)???
>
> >>> once the range of motion had come short then you'll know you had
> >>> enough..
>
> >> --
> >> Bully
> >> Protein bars:http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> >> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist
> >> sees
> >> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill- Hide
> >> quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Yeah sure, You can, IN your dreams. Its ok to boast sweetie, you
> > ain't got a physique to boot. Just trolling around the net pretending
> > to be a bodybuilder. nice try, but not close. Your knowledge failed
> > you. Go back to school.
>
> > be proud, it means you can be accelerated to grade 3 though =)
>
> Who the fuck are all these tossers that have suddenly crawled out the
> woodwork?
>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars:http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

blah blah blah

=) buddah bless you...

VinCe <sweet_rusky29@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Its ok to boast sweetie, you
>ain't got a physique to boot.
>Just trolling around the net pretending
>to be a bodybuilder.

I seem to recall you calling Curt a "good bodybuilder." I think Bully
can clear that bar rather easily.

John M. Williams wrote:
[...]

> I seem to recall you calling Curt a
> "good bodybuilder."

Cross-posting? Way to go, Em. Way to represent
misc.fitness.weights. ;o) Some actually consider cross-posting a troll-
like activity. Gee, you'd think a guy like you would want to steer as
far away from all things troll as you possibly could.

Whatever. I'm sure alt.sport.bodybuilding, alt.sport.weightlifting,
alt.fitness.weights, and sci.bio.misc are simply fascinated by your
recollections.

Otoh, it's my opinion that your posting about someone you say you have
kill filed is a cowardly thing to do. No surprise, naturally.

Anyway, thanks for the publicity. Stay tuned for my soon-to-be-
released and aforementioned eBook, "curt james' ultra-hardcore leg
curl workout"! It's going to be a BLAST!

--
Curt

In news:rbvr53hsv1krqkj6u68sjesf4p8jq89p32@4ax.com,
JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> typed:
> VinCe <sweet_rusky29@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Its ok to boast sweetie, you
>> ain't got a physique to boot.
>> Just trolling around the net pretending
>> to be a bodybuilder.
>
> I seem to recall you calling Curt a "good bodybuilder." I think Bully
> can clear that bar rather easily.

I could also clean that bar !

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

On Thu, 31 May 2007 07:36:07 +0100, "Bully"
<bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

>In news:rbvr53hsv1krqkj6u68sjesf4p8jq89p32@4ax.com,
>JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> typed:
>> VinCe <sweet_rusky29@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Its ok to boast sweetie, you
>>> ain't got a physique to boot.
>>> Just trolling around the net pretending
>>> to be a bodybuilder.
>>
>> I seem to recall you calling Curt a "good bodybuilder." I think Bully
>> can clear that bar rather easily.
>
>I could also clean that bar !

There is no doubt that you are a wonderful person Neil, and a legend
in your own mind!

On Mon, 28 May 2007, VinCe wrote:

> On May 24, 1:17 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Are there really some muscles which are harder to train? Which ones?
>> Why?
>
> Back, most people neglect working it since they can;t see it working.

O rly? I'd say a big back, lats at least, was pretty noticeable, provided
you ever look in a mirror or scratch your armpits.

tom

--
Destroy - kill all hippies.

Bully wrote:
[...]

> Who the [expletive deleted] are
> all these [expletive delted] that
> have suddenly crawled out the
> woodwork?

Neil seems to believe it's wise to throw gas on a fire:

"I can bypass your years of knowledge.

3 sets of heavy d/bell presses
3 sets of bent over raises" /quote

Neil also appears to think that cross-posting will help:

alt.sport.bodybuilding, alt.sport.weightlifting, alt.fitness.weights,
sci.bio.misc /ng

I seem to think that if I type in all caps, he'll be able to read my
post:

THANKS FOR THE LESSON ON HOW TO MAKE USENET WORK PERFECTLY,
NEIL!!!!!!

--
Curt

In article <1180951869.316627.173690@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups. com>,
Curt <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bully wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Who the [expletive deleted] are
> > all these [expletive delted] that
> > have suddenly crawled out the
> > woodwork?
>
> Neil seems to believe it's wise to throw gas on a fire:
>
> "I can bypass your years of knowledge.
>
> 3 sets of heavy d/bell presses
> 3 sets of bent over raises" /quote
>
> Neil also appears to think that cross-posting will help:
>
> alt.sport.bodybuilding, alt.sport.weightlifting, alt.fitness.weights,
> sci.bio.misc /ng
>
> I seem to think that if I type in all caps, he'll be able to read my
> post:
>
> THANKS FOR THE LESSON ON HOW TO MAKE USENET WORK PERFECTLY,
> NEIL!!!!!!
>
> --
> Curt

Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all
persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others,
even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud
and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy
your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own
career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes
of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical
about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is
perennial as the grass.

Take kindly to the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the
things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden
misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are
born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child
of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right
to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe
is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life,
keep peace in your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful
world.

Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

(Max Ehrmann)
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On Jun 4, 5:58 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2007, VinCe wrote:
> > On May 24, 1:17 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Are there really some muscles which are harder to train? Which ones?
> >> Why?
>
> > Back, most people neglect working it since they can;t see it working.
>
> O rly? I'd say a big back, lats at least, was pretty noticeable, provided
> you ever look in a mirror or scratch your armpits.


well, can you scratch your armpits while doing lat pulldown? oh
man...


> tom
>
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, VinCe wrote:

> On Jun 4, 5:58 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 May 2007, VinCe wrote:
>>> On May 24, 1:17 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Are there really some muscles which are harder to train? Which ones?
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Back, most people neglect working it since they can;t see it working.
>>
>> O rly? I'd say a big back, lats at least, was pretty noticeable, provided
>> you ever look in a mirror or scratch your armpits.
>
> well, can you scratch your armpits while doing lat pulldown?

Yeah - WITH MY DICK!

Not really.

tom

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