Re: 15 year old latino male attacks white male american with baseball bat while calling hiim"OLD" and no mention of his immigration status? In oregon no less, a non-hispanic state until the invasion began, and no charge of hate crimes again

America does not need greasers.

greg

On Nov 10, 12:11 am, gringogirl <sumarli...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> MAX attack sparks safety changes
> TriMet chief increases security after elderly man beaten with baseball
> bat at Gresham light rail station
> LocalNewsDaily.com, Nov 4, 2007, Updated Nov 6, 2007 (117 Reader
> comments)
>
> TriMet General Manager Fred Hansen is calling for a transit safety
> summit and increasing security along the agency's MAX line rail line.
> The changes come in the wake of the Saturday baseball bat beating of
> an elderly man by a 15-year-old suspected gang member at the Gresham
> Central Transit Center.
> "I am directing these changes in order to increase the oversight of
> our transit system and improve the quality of service to all of our
> riders," said Hansen. "I want everyone who rides TriMet or would like
> to ride TriMet to feel safe, secure and that they can call upon any
> TriMet employee for help or to answer a question."
> A Multnomah County grand jury will hear the case Friday.
> Abel Antonio Chavez-Garcia was arrested at the scene on charges First
> Degree Assault, Attempted Murder and First Degree Criminal Mischief.
> Gresham police identified him as a gang member who they have
> encountered before.
> The victim, Sandy resident Laurie Lee Chilcote, 71, is at the Oregon
> Health and Sciences University recovering from extensive head
> injuries. He has been moved from the Neurological Intensive Care Unit,
> where he had originally been admitted, and is reported to be in stable
> condition.
> According to the Gresham police, the incident apparently began around
> 9:10 p.m. when three juveniles, who had been riding the same eastbound
> train as Chilcote, followed him off the train at the Gresham Central
> Transit Center, 400 NE 8th Ave.
> Chavez-Garcia allegedly taunted Chilcote as an "old man," and then
> attacked him with a baseball bat he was carrying with him.
> When the man fell down, a woman stepped forward to help him, Piluso
> said. The attacker threatened her and she stepped back, however.
> Other witnesses called 911 to report the attack. When Gresham police
> showed up, they used a police dog to track down the alleged attacker,
> who Piluso said had lingered in the area.
> The day before the attack, Gresham Mayor Shane Bemis announced city
> police will begin patrolling the MAX light rail line because of
> increasing crime along it.
> Although TriMet police usually patrol the MAX line, Bemis said many
> people have told him that their presence is not strong enough to deter
> crime.
> "TriMet has maintained that crime along the light-rail line is simply
> an issue of perception, but the citizens that I represent tell me a
> much different story," Bemis wrote to TriMet head Fred Hansen on Nov.
> 2. "Accounts of public intoxication, gang activity, assault,
> harassment, and drug activity - not to mention fare avoidance - are
> prevalent."
> In 2006, Gresham police responded to a number of calls within a
> quarter mile around the light rail stops in Gresham. These calls
> include 42 percent of all narcotics calls, 84 percent of all gang
> calls, and 40 percent of all fight calls.
> The day after the attack, Gresham Police Chief Carla Piluso promised
> Gresham police will crack down on such crimes. She confirmed that
> crime is increasing along the MAX line and blamed at least some of it
> on people being displaced from Portland because of gentrification.
> "Violence of any sort will not be tolerated in this town," said
> Piluso, who promised to release details of the enhanced patrol efforts
> on Wednesday.
> Hansen replied to Bemis by saying his agency welcomed the Gresham
> patrols, saying the area along the light rail line suffered from
> poverty, unemployment and gangs.
> Hansen outlined the following steps in a statement released Monday
> afternoon:
> · Convene a safety summit for the light rail system, and work with the
> jurisdictions served by MAX. The goal would be to fully coordinate
> security-related efforts and ensure that all jurisdictions maximize
> our limited resources to get the most benefit.
> · Survey all MAX platforms and transit centers to look for
> opportunities to increase lighting, improve sightlines, add
> surveillance cameras and other physical changes to enhance security.
> · Increase the number of Wackenhut contracted security on the system
> · Direct all TriMet personnel to be more visible on vehicles and at
> platforms while performing their regular duties, whether it is
> cleaning a platform, servicing a ticket vending machine or just riding
> the system.
> · Remove graffiti on TriMet property within 24 hours.
> · Ensure there are consequences, including jail time, for anyone that
> commits a crime on TriMet.
> The Gresham Outlook contributed to this report.
> Reader comments
> Re: Elderly man beaten with baseball bat at Gresham MAX station
> this incident does not surprise me at all. I try to use MAX when going
> to and from downtown PDX, however, even during daylight hours it is
> not a pleasant experience because of some frightening characters on
> board. I've even been pan-handled while boarding and "yes" even on
> board MAX. I rarely see Tri-Met POLICE on board these trains. Mayor
> Bemis must be commended for taking a huge step towards our safety.
> thank you! Darlene in Gresham
> "darlene"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 07:37 AM
> Re: Elderly man beaten with baseball bat at Gresham MAX station
> Not Exactly What The Weiner Boys and Vera Say About The Shiny Piece of
> Cr*p That travels our nieghbor hoods.
> "David"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 07:52 AM
> Re: Elderly man beaten with baseball bat at Gresham MAX station
> coming soon to all my fine neighbors along Interstate
> ( oops . . .CesearChavez)
>
> This is what high density zoning brings.http://localnewsdaily.com/news/story...09154959272000
>
> Sam Adam's plan is to saturate the areas around light rail with apts.
> and condos to line his developer buddies pockets.
> This pandering to the immigration challenged ( think sanctuary city )
> will pack 'em in and prove that someone is riding his trains.
> The livability and safety issues are sacrificed for the greater good
> (of the developer's pockets ) and the tax revenue base.
> "meatpuppet"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:07 AM
> :33 PM
> )
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 05:18 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> Trimet management is squarely to blame for this elderly person being
> pounded with a bat. Crime is rampent on MAX and riding it is a huge
> disregard for your own safety. The good citizens silently sit by as
> criminals and punks break all the riding rules. In fact MAX doesn't
> even post the curtesy rules anymore. To sit on MAX and watch drug
> dealing, assaults, pan handling and disorderly people is more than I
> can take. I now drive and ride a bike to work. MAX officials claim you
> can ask for help or call the police, are you kidding me?? So when a
> group of punks are disrupting and scaring people you are supposed to
> get up and tell on them with no cover. What a joke! There needs to be
> police and fare inspectors on the trains at all times. I hope an
> attorney picks up a law suit for this elderly person, maybe we could
> then force Trimet to do the responsible thing here.
> "Dwight Richey"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 05:21 PM
> 04, 2007 at 06:07 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> Oh goodie! Th Tribune printed its own story about
> this.............normally when I try to post a story skowcasing the
> crimes brought on by the MAX they erase them as fast as possible.
> Thanks Tribune....for allowing the truth prior to having no choice.
> "Steve"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 06:10 PM
>
> Editorial response:
>
> The only comments that get removed are those that violate the comment
> policy. If you familiarize yourself with the policy and abide by it,
> you shouldn't see any of your comments getting "erased."
>
> James Marks
> Webmaster
> Pamplin Media Group
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> I, for one, am sick and tired of police/news organizations withholding
> the names of (accused)criminals just because they are "minors". I'd
> like to know who these idiots are.
> "jason"
> (Not verified)
> "meg"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 06:31 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> Yes, I can't wait for the MAX to make its way out to the Clackamas
> area. What is WRONG with people? Beating an elderly man with a bat?
> And unprovoked, no less. I am aware of the fact that crimes do occur
> ouside of the light rail areas; but it seems that there are an
> overwhelming number of them happening lately in relation to the MAX
> vicinity. It fills me with such joy when I pay taxes toward a public
> transit system that I will never use because I am afraid to go near
> it!
> ""
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 06:32 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> Not complaining is NOT the answer, "E."
>
> If you have ridden MAX you have surely seen the decline in safety over
> the years. When thugs can get on without paying a fare and sell drugs
> openly, when persons who ride it are harassed without any recourse,
> there is a problem. I used to ride MAX, too, but I am no longer
> willing to do so. It has deteriorated to the point that it is now a
> crime magnet. I no longer wish to encapsulate myself in a rail car
> with so many skeevy people. You pay for it one way or another, either
> pay to park or risk safety. I'll pay $10 to park any time rather than
> ride MAX, but many people do not have the luxury of that option. What
> about protecting them, "E"? MAX did not start out a crime-ridden mess,
> but with years of neglect it is out of control. Please don't chide me
> or other posters as whiners just because we speak our minds about what
> a nasty element can do to undermine and degrade our transit system
> (and the communities that it brings people to). The important entity
> that does not want to hear us is Tri-Met, and they are precisely the
> ones who ought to be listening. At least our mayor is listening, and
> that beating underscores that he is absolutely right to take action.
> Put your earplugs back in, or cram your IPod buds in your ears, stick
> your nose back in your book, and ride MAX all you want. Others among
> us will rally for safety, yours included.
>
> The poster who recommended an agressive lawyer for the man who was
> beaten has the right idea- hit Tri-Met in the wallet, as it is the
> only thing that MIGHT motivate them to listen.
> "Centennial neighbor"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 06:34 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> I too used to ride Max from the Gresham area to downtown Portland. I
> believe in public transportation. However, it has become so unsafe
> that I now pay to park downtown, like so many others. As a female
> riding alone after dark one night (it was winter) I asked the driver
> who was getting off at Cleveland to watch me as I walked to my car.
> There were some guys who had been harassing me during my entire ride.
> I did not ask for an escort - just that he stand there until I was in
> my vehicle which was parked close by. He refused to do so, and said
> "I've got stuff to do - if anything happens, scream loud." I have seen
> an elderly woman harassed in such a way that she was unable to get off
> at her stop. I have been harassed myself for simply glancing over my
> shoulder at a loud noise. I did not give a dirty look at anyone, or
> say a word, but I was surrounded by a bunch of thugs and was too
> frightened to pull out my cell phone and call for help. Trying to read
> a book or listen to music on an Ipod does not deter the crazies who
> insist on getting in your face. For a while I tried to only ride
> during daylight hours, but even then it is no longer safe. It is time
> for something to be done so that those who would be willing to ride
> public transportation can do so without feeling that they too could
> get assaulted at any time and for any reason.
> "Used to Ride Too"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 07:16 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> Don't people realize failure to enforce immigration laws are strongly
> correlated with all the gang problems in the region? Not to be a
> racist, but there is a clear correlation between gang behavior and low
> income un-educated people, regardless of race. Through out history it
> has always been that way. All we are doing is bringing in lots of
> uneducated, low income people that end up consolidating in the
> cheapest areas of the city because those are the only places they can
> afford to live. This then turns these neighborhoods into over-
> populated slums and ghettos, which is the ideal conditions for
> breeding gang and criminal behavior. Even though the first generation
> of immigrants are hard working people just looking to make a living,
> the second generation of these families are almost guaranteed to fail
> because of the conditions they are raised in and the inability to
> really integrate with the rest of society. Even though the nation gets
> cheap labor out of it, it isn't that great of a deal when you factor
> in all the problems that are created and all the money that is spent
> to fix them.
> """"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 07:24 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> sadly I wasnt on this train...... there would likely be one less
> hoodlum runningthe streets. until people begin to rate human life on a
> sliding scale violent crimr will continue
> "shad"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 07:25 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> For 11 years I commuted from Gresham to my job in downtown Portland.
> Over that time I watched a slow deterioration in the quality of that
> experience. On the Max train, you are on your own. There is a driver
> in the front car locked in a little booth. He or she has no idea what
> is going on in the train especially in the back car. I have watched
> fights, drug deals, groups of gang-bangers taking over the car. We are
> at the tail end of the downward spiral. As the reality and perception
> that MAX is not safe takes hold, people who can afford to drive and
> park downtown will do so. This leaves a higher proportion of the
> people who create problems, which re-enforces the perception that MAX
> is not safe and on and on. Unless there is a perception that MAX is
> safe this cycle will continue. Tri-Met needs to own up. They have a
> huge PR problem.
> "Richard"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 07:34 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> I'm glad the mayor is "saying" something will be done. But we have all
> heard that before. Unfortunatly there is not much the mayor can do.
> They just don't have the proper funding to police the Max and the rest
> of the area. TRIMET just keeps a blind eye because if they admit there
> is a problem, then they open themselves up to liability. Public
> annoucements and policies are written by lawyers paid to cover the
> companies assets. I to agree the little pukes name/photo should be
> published, and then he should actually, God forbid, get punished for
> the crime he committed. There is no point to a law if there is no
> punishment for breaking it. Juveniles get off with a little hand slap
> and a clean record at age 18, so they are free to do this type of
> action again in a few months. You have to love our Justice system.
> "Mike"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 07:34 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> A follow up to my previous comment: There are many reasons that I
> can't afford to pay almost $200 per month to park downtown. The sad
> fact is that I am making the calculated gamble that $2400 per year is
> still cheaper than the medical bills that poor gentleman that got
> assaulted will be facing.
> "Used to Ride Too"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 07:40 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> I just want to persoanlly tell everyone that witnessed it and did
> nothing.....Way to go you pansies. I honestly can't believe that only
> a woman(and no MAN) tried to help this guy! This gives me a good
> reason to ride max now, to kick the crap outta lil "wanna-be"
> gangsta's. Tri-Met wont do anything about this soon. So my suggestion
> is for the people that ride it to kinda "step-up" if you don't like
> it. How many "hood's" ride it against "non-hoods" anyway. My guess is
> there more of us than them.
> "j-man"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 08:21 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> I am wondering what Bernard Goetz is doing these days? Perhaps we
> could prevail upon him to ride MAX for awhile.
> Don't some people have a concealed weapon handgun permit to shoot
> vicious dogs that attack them?
> "mawari"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 08:34 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> "TriMet crime" always brings out the crankiest of the cranks. Yes, a
> TRAIN is the cause of crime. It's the gentle rocking of the cars, the
> whooshing of the doors and the annoying bilingual stop calls that
> drive most otherwise normal people to beat each other with bats.
>
> If only we hadn't put the trains there, Gresham's crime and
> specifically gang troubles would be gone! More money for cops or
> social services? Hell no--less money for transit for the 99% who
> aren't in a gang!
> "torridjoe"
> (Not verified)
> Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 09:17 PM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> Here we go again. Drugs, gangs, and crime all out of control - while
> we waste billions overseas on a worthless war. And what do we have to
> show for it? Nothing. The money wasted overseas (Killing mostly
> innocent civilians)could be used to hire more police here and prevent
> this sort of thing. Keep voting for the Bush Republicans and you will
> have plenty more of this plus huge heating bills and $5 a gallon
> gas...
> "FM"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 07:51 AM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> My son has to ride MAX regularly late at night. Roving gangs shaking
> down passengers are commonplace, as are abusive drunks, drug addicts,
> you name it.
>
> The "honor system" fare system makes for a great transport system to
> shuttle criminals from one neighborhood to another. It's a travesty.
>
> I would like to see one of these crime victims file suit against Tri-
> Met.
> "Dave Lister"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 08:09 AM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> TRIMET DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO SUPPLY US WITH A DAMN BATHROOM!
>
> WITH ALL THE MONEY WE DUMP INTO TRIMET, THEY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
> LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THEIR TRAINS, NOT THE CITY OF GRESHAM!
>
> SHAME ON YOU TRIMET!
> "Sonny Munster"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 08:53 AM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> I love how any time there's more than one young male involved, it
> becomes a "gang issue".
>
> These snot-nosed punks are just that - snot-noses who need a solid
> spanking. Let's get some of that "scared straight" stuff going in
> Gresham schools, get some nasty REAL gang members doing time to show
> these little jerks where they're headed.
>
> I agree with the guy that wants the attacker's names published. Let's
> show their faces to everyone.
>
> Name, blame, and shame.
> "Mojo"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:01 AM
> Re: MAX safety
> My husband rides the train daily from Gresham to Old Town. Darkness
> isn't the culprit. He reports abusive passengers at all times of day.
> I'm usually a champion for teens as I have three, but he reports that
> most of the abusers are young people - 12 to 25 year olds. The cause -
> parents and a society that have neglected to teach proper manners and
> acceptable behavior to our youth. The solution? Adults stepping up and
> taking a stand. Is there a risk involved? Yes. But if not us, who?
> "Madhatir"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:08 AM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> My prayers are with the 71 year old man.
>
> The City of Gresham should be responsible for securing our streets,
> NOT ANOTHER BUSINESS FOR PROFIT'S BUSINESS!
>
> Trimet refuses to provide any security. There are NO bathrooms on
> their trainlines; guilting poor business owners to allow access to
> their bathrooms. Travel other cities with Max type trains. They all
> have 2 things: In-house SECRUITY AND A DAMN BATHROOM.
>
> "Sonny Munster"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:17 AM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> This is what happens when stupid people are allowed to breed
> uncontrollably.
> (Sarcasm)
>
> Trimet could do a better job of patrolling it's lines or we will have
> more people like Bernard Goetz do it for them.
> There should be one officer per car.
>
> It's a shame we have to defend ourselves from the stupid and the
> desperate when the solution is right in front of us.
> "Fred"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:40 AM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> Public Transit is part of Portland and it isn't going anywhere. I've
> riden Tri-Met buses and MAX since I moved here in 1990. I'll admit
> that I've seen more people causing problems on the train and at the
> stations. But I've also seen more people causing problems at malls,
> grocery stores, outdoor markets, and on the sidewalks in both Gresham
> and Portland. It's easy to blame the Tri-Met system, and I'm not
> saying that it couldn't (and shouldn't) be better policed. But Tri-Met
> is not the CAUSE of this man being beaten or people being harassed.
> These degenerates would have beaten or harassed someone whereever they
> were at that time---public transit simply gives them more mobility.
>
> As for what we can do as good citizens, you can do the following: yes,
> keep demanding that Tri-Met and the police work together to make
> transit safer, but take action yourself---keep your eyes and ears
> open, make eye contact so people know you see them (many don't want to
> be recognized so they'll go find someone else to bother), speak loudly
> and firmly if you decide to confront someone bothering you. Sometimes
> NO action is the right action. Would someone else stepping up helped
> stop this attack? Possibly, and I'd like to think that had I been
> there I would have tried to do so. Or maybe the others with the bat-
> wielder would have pulled out guns and shot a bunch of people. There
> is no way to know and I will not double-guess someone's actions or
> inactions after the fact. Things happen fast and everyone processes
> these events differently.
>
> So, just watch out for yourselves and your fellow citizens, not just
> on MAX, but everywhere---it's called being a decent human being and a
> good citizen. And I'll see you (hopefully) on the MAX, buses, and on
> the sidewalks of both of our wonderful cities--Portland and Gresham. I
> believe in our cities, our police, and most importantly, in our
> citizens.
> "Ms. Mel Harmon"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:43 AM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> Maybe it is time for a public protest? Block the tracks and demand
> better security. The site where our elderly neioghbor was beaten might
> be a good place to get some civil disobedience going! On the other
> hand, the offices of TriMet might be even better. How can an entire
> agency have their heads so far up their tuchases?
> "frustrated"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:54 AM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> Speak with any Officer in the Metro area and you will get the same
> response, MAX is not safe.....It needs to be more controlled like New
> York...You must have a pass to gain access to the trains.. It is a
> free for all now... Ridiculous...............
> "Josh B"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:59 AM
> Re: Gresham police chief promises action after elderly man beaten with
> baseball bat at MAX station
> Wow .. Here I have been telling my 70 year old mother that Max was
> safe to ride. I don't think it is so safe any more. Gresham PD,
> Portland PD, Sheriff's, Tri met security should flood Max, there stops
> and ride every car. Doesn't max have a panic button some place on
> there? Emergency pull type thing?
> ""
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 10:10 AM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> We'll be fighting in the streets
> With our children at our feet
> And the morals that they worship will be gone
> And the men who spurred us on
> Sit in judgement of all wrong
> They decide and the shotgun sings the song
>
> I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
> Take a bow for the new revolution
> Smile and grin at the change all around me
> Pick up my guitar and play
> Just like yesterday
> Then I'll get on my knees and pray
> We don't get fooled again
>
> The change, it had to come
> We knew it all along
> We were liberated from the foe, that' all
> And the world looks just the same
> And history ain't changed
> 'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war
>
> I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
> Take a bow for the new revolution
> Smile and grin at the change all around me
> Pick up my guitar and play
> Just like yesterday
> Then I'll get on my knees and pray
> We don't get fooled again
> No, no!
>
> I'll move myself and my family aside
> If we happen to be left half alive
> I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
> For I know that the hypnotized never lie
>
> Do ya?
>
> Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
>
> There's nothing in the street
> Looks any different to me
> And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
> And the parting on the left
> Is now the parting on the right
> And the beards have all grown longer overnight
>
> I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
> Take a bow for the new revolution
> Smile and grin at the change all around me
> Pick up my guitar and play
> Just like yesterday
> Then I'll get on my knees and pray
> We don't get fooled again
> Don't get fooled again
> No, no!
>
> Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
>
> Meet the new boss
> Same as the old boss
>
> "Jack"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 10:17 AM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> I'm a daily MAX rider and observer of the MAX system since the early
> 1990's.
>
> The attacks on senior citizens make great newspaper stories, but the
> truth is that daily assults, intimidation, and fear plauge many MAX
> riders every day. I have come to loathe the unwashed, aggressive,
> uneducated and offensive element that rides MAX. The crime on the MAX
> has pushed many of us back into our cars.
>
> like it or not, Tri Met built many early MAX stations that are safety
> nightmares that are hard to patrol and create isolated islands of
> crime (Think Hollywood, 60th and 82nd Ave stations. You get one way in
> and out, otherwise you are trapped down in these unsafe holes)
>
> The vomit, urine, feces and sanitary napkins that are excreted and
> thrown around like party favors on the Max platforms are another bonus
> - and don't get me started on that Hollywood platform elevator, what
> my children named the "vomit comet" years ago.
>
> I'm stubborn and I'm not getting off the MAX because of these
> problems. I feel like I am the guy that is willing to yell hey! at the
> kid with the bat.
>
> But until there are more of me out there, it may be time to borrow a
> page from the deep South and bring back segregated cars that offer a
> choice between a crime free car (that you pay for and have a real cop
> to keep you safe . . maybe evena bathroom) and the rear car for who
> ever wants to ride for free, roll the dice with natural selection and
> generally behave like wild animals. Tri Met might even want to throw a
> couple of moldy mattresses in that rear car to provide much needed
> "cubicles" for the working prostitutes that fear being caught on
> Craig's List.
> "Arthur Jones"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 11:05 AM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> I stopped my daily commute from Gresham into Portland and back again
> at the end of June due to concerns for my safety. I have been verbally
> accousted by four drunk black men when I refused to share my paper
> with them (the words too vulgar to write here, although I did relay
> them verbatim to Fred Hansen at Tri-Met(who never responded, by the
> way); have seen young mothers with babies in strollers dealing drugs;
> have put up with loud obnoxious behavior and disrepect for fellow
> passengers; have seen a man in a hood with his face covered by a
> skeleton scarf and weilding a long metal pipe, make racial slurs to a
> young black man, and the list goes on and on. It's disgusting!
>
> I did receive a response back from Tri-Met to one of my many letters
> to them: "We rely on our passengers to police the trains. There is an
> emergency call box which we encourage our riders to use when there is
> a problem." Give me a break - who's going to "call" the driver when
> these thugs and deadbeats are in your face already. When I was at the
> receiving end of the loud verbal abuse by the drunk black men (this
> occurred on the 5:00 p.m. weekday commute from Portland to Gresham),
> NOBODY on my car called the driver as they did not want to get
> involved with these men. A man later came up to me, after the drunks
> had gotten off the train, and asked if I was okay. When I told him it
> would have been nice if someone would have called the driver, all he
> had to say was "you seemed to be handling it well by yourself." My
> "handling" of the matter was to avoid eye contact, not engage in
> conversation or respond to their vulgarity, and to just sit there and
> take the abuse. I was on an older car and was not close to the call
> box to alert the driver myself. And I would bet you a million dollars
> these men had NOT paid a fare!
>
> Why is it up to paying rider to police themselves? Isn't it up to Tri-
> Met to make sure their passengers are safe while on Tri-Met property?
> Nobody wants to risk their lives or exacerbate the situation by
> confronting the offenders, and the offenders know it and take full
> advantage of it as they have the upper hand. It's truly pathetic.
>
> As I've suggested to Tri-Met: required payment PRIOR TO boarding the
> train; have full time security officers on ALL trains (day and night),
> and be supportive of your paying passengers. Listen to their concerns
> and complaints, and take them seriously. Sadly, as in many areas of
> our lives, the criminals are gaining the upper hand because no one
> wants to confront them or infringe upon their "rights."
>
> I, too, hope Tri-Met gets sued over the latest incident involving that
> poor elderly man. These crimes are occuring over and over again on Tri-
> Met property and Tri-Met should be held accountable for not keeping
> their ridership safe. It's time something be done.
>
> Require Tri-Met execs to ride MAX at all hours of the day, for one
> month, and they can experience first hand what goes on. Believe me,
> they wouldn't last a week!
>
> "Former MAX rider"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 11:08 AM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> I'd like to see Mayor Potter, as the Portland Police Commissioner, say
> something (or better yet, do something) about this safety issue. It
> has affected areas in Portland for years too, and still is a HUGE
> problem. Seems like a bunch of people are running around not knowing
> what to do, and no one seems to be in charge. And Tri-Met's casual
> attitude ("Crime is actually DOWN," their spokesperson was quoted as
> saying). Give me a break. REPORTED crime may be down, but when people
> are too afraid to report crime that doesn't mean it's gone away. Also,
> when people stop riding MAX what then? Finally, I for one, as a
> property tax payer who pays a sum to Tri-Met specifically -- and yet I
> rarely ride it -- could someone there PLEASE get off your toosh and
> get moving on this security issue?
> "Jeff"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 11:14 AM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> "Dead or alive" needs to be put back onto wanted posters.
> ""
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 11:29 AM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> This is what happens when citizen watch cops bashing in heads with
> clubs day after day on the news and in public.
> Violence begets violence.
> "Land Rover Guy"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 12:14 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> that doesnt surprise me either. i went on the max one time on my way
> to the Gresham vs. Central catholic football game at pge park and this
> drugie sat next to me and my friend. he was so messed up at the
> time...there were sores on his face, he had a suringe in his hand, he
> was shaking and rocking back and forth, he was cussing all the time.
> it was creepy.
> "chris"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 12:15 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> Don't worry Land Rover Guy, when this guy gets out of jail he will
> probably be recruited by CCSO.
> "Legend in my own mind guy"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 12:17 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> Hey, if you guys dont like this kinda crime why dont you move to one
> of the other 49 states.
> "Israel/ Coos Bay Logger"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 12:20 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> When i read this story it hit home all too well. 10 years ago i used
> to live in Gresham and attend Gresham high school. My way to and from
> anywhere was the use of trimet and the Max. There were pleanty of
> times where i was in a situation that i'd rather get off the max and
> walk from the last gresham stop all the was to 202nd and division
> because i did'nt feel safe. One occation i was waiting for the max at
> the stop closes to skate world and i had three hispanic gang members
> approach me and tried to sweet talk me and put there hands on me. It
> was only being lucky that my father was a kick boxing instructor for
> twenty five years and him passing on the knowledge of self defense and
> not to take anybody's crap and to stand up for my self that got me out
> of that situation. I don't think that those little three wanna be
> gangsters were quite ready for me to punch the crap out of one of them
> and run. So.. i think and agree that the police needs to be doing a
> better job monitoring the max line and stops. Especially between
> gresham and 181st ave stops. That seems to be where alot of the
> violence is. And i'm sorry i am not IMPRESSED WHAT SO EVER WITH THE
> POLICE FORCE IN PORTLAND OR CLACKAMAS COUNTY FOR THAT MATTER. We pay
> thier wages and it seems to me they would rather sit on their fat
> asses and not do anything then do their job. I've seen i cop pass
> right past a group of gang bangers harrassing women at the max
> stations before and no do anything. If we need to voice our
> complaints, opinions and concerns we need to take it up with these so
> called cops. I have a eighteen year old brother who rides the trimet
> lines and takes the max to attend Mount Hood community college and to
> go to work from N.E. Portland AND I'M SCARED FOR HIS SAFTEY! I should
> have to think about buying him a knife to protect him self from a
> public transportation!
> "NIKE"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 12:47 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> First off it has always been Portland's growth plan to have condensed
> housing, apartments and warehouse type building along with light rail
> aka (welfare train) hauling all of the Mexicans to work. Our Federal
> government is the biggest employer of illegal aliens.
>
> I live close to burnside and 122nd and it amazes me how many
> minorities ride it especially young blacks. I rode it once and never
> will ride it again.
>
> If you want to fight crime folks it is called a concealed weapons
> permit all you have to do is take a class and file your paper work and
> Walla! You can now legally carry a fire arm to protect yourself so
> when a person brings a baseball bat to a gun fight he will be the one
> going to the hospital. I never leave home without my .45 and two extra
> clips with hollow points loaded in them along with a can of mace. I
> would not hesitate to use either if I felt my life was in danger. If I
> had to ride the light rail system everyday I would defiantly carry a
> gun especially up and down the Burnside route especially out to the
> Rockwood and the Gresham area known as little Mexico to some.
>
> These type of violent crimes happen everyday and they will keep
> happening and there is not enough police around to deal with them so
> start protecting yourself and quit running from them. Then maybe a few
> of these worthless humans will realize people are not going to put up
> with it anymore or our leaders will wake up and put more police on the
> street and open jail space up for them. Until then it is every person
> for themselves.
> "Thomas Jefferson Lives"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 01:16 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> Tri-Met is a total joke.
>
> They are not in the least self sufficent, a paid max fare does not
> even come close to paying for the transportation cost for that max
> ride (most people do not bother buying a ticket) paying a $1.50 for a
> $8.00-$12.00 dollar ride does not make any sense and its us as tax
> payers picking up the tab. Word to our Liberal Goverment MASS Tarnsit
> is a Joke!!
>
> What happened to the NO Smoking on Tri-Met property (max stops, bus
> stops etc.??) this as far as i can tell has never been enforced, why
> even waste the time and money to make and hang no smoking signs BIG
> WASTE of TIME and MONEY
>
> If you want one more thing to think about read this article from 1999http://wweek.com/___ALL_OLD_HTML/leada062399.html
>
> Not only is this still possible as tri-met still does not do backround
> checks themselves....they also have medical transport providers that
> are with no reguard for state or federal labor laws, they hide behind
> the tree so to speak and say well thats is a subcontracted business
> sorry!!
>
> TRi-mET IS A JOKE
> "Brian"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 02:00 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> Not long ago I saw a group of teen waiting at Gresham Central. Looked
> like a bunch of punks and one was carrying a bat. Didn't look like he
> was heading to a baseball game either. Then I saw a Gresham cop walk
> by them and not even stop to ask why he would be carrying a bat.
>
> Bemis' plan will not work if the cops are afraid to ask obvious
> questions.
> "bc"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 02:37 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> "...and blamed at least some of it on people being displaced from
> Portland because of gentrification."
>
> So, Mexicans committing crimes in Gresham is the fault of white people
> moving into Piedmont and NoPo. Even the police are trying to shift the
> blame off of those wielding the bats.
> "Robert"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:07 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> "I saw a Gresham cop walk by them and not even stop to ask why he
> would be carrying a bat."
>
> 1) It's not illegal for a teenager to carry a bat.
>
> 2) If the cop did ask what the bat was for, the teenager isn't likely
> to say "I'm planning on using it to commit a crime."
>
> That's why the cop didn't ask.
>
> What would you have the police do, confiscate all bats from all
> teenagers?
> ""
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:21 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> How about a one-day boycott? Get the word out, stick to ONE day, and
> let the empty trains do the talking. THAT is a message they would get.
> "eastside"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:28 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> Jefferson Lives - Have you noticed the Section 8 apartment building
> which went up next to the corner (122/Burnside) three years ago?
> Between the gangbangers who live there and their gangbanger friends
> who loiter outside, that's a lot of the problem right there.
>
> The corner gas station/convenience store is also a convenient place
> for police to round up as many as a dozen troublemakers at a time.
> "eastside"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:36 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> What would you have the police do, confiscate all bats from all
> teenagers?
>
> I'd ask questions and take down names. Then when a crime involving a
> bat is reported, you know exactly where to start looking. If a crime
> is not committed, it may or may not have been deterred, but isn't it
> better to be safe than sorry?
> "eastside"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:40 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> I'd walk 10 miles before I'd step on another MAX train. Dirty, creepy
> people, most people don't pay (ridiculous that that can even happen)
> large percentage of the people that ride it are rude beyond belief,
> thugs and gang wanna-be's & full fledged gang wimps. RIDICULOUS, WHAT
> AN EMBARASSMENT FOR PORTLAND. Anybody who thinks this transport
> network is something to be proud of hasn't been around the country. I
> rode the subway in New York this past summer and felt much safer, not
> as fancy, but much safer. THAT'S A FACT.
> "steve"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:48 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> I forgot to mention the bat did not look like it had been used to hit
> baseballs, but was pretty beaten up by other uses.
> "bc"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:49 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> Oh, when they do have ticket checkers, usually they get on after Ruby
> Junction, heading to Gresham. I have never seen one get on at Lloyd
> Center or before Ruby Junction. And the drivers have been told not to
> use their loudspeakers to tell people not to smoke either.
>
> TriMet is all blow, but no show.
> "bc"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:52 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> When is something actually going to be done about TRI-MET??
>
> This Transportation Company is a total and complete joke!! To make
> things worse we have to pay for this joke thru our property taxes....
>
> Do cut and paste this link:http://wweek.com/___ALL_OLD_HTML/leada062399.html
>
> i got this from the post above from "brian".
> this will uncover a whole other side of this "Scam Company".
>
> Nothing is ever there fault, ever they always deflect the blame on
> whoever they can find.. this is a joke and im sick and tired of
> this...
>
> Cant we as people ban together and fight this??
> here is what im sick of:
>
> 1)Tri-Met placing and deflecting blame on others for thier own short
> comings.
>
> 2)Traveling (driving) down a city street and having the Tri-Met bus
> just pull right out in front of you ( i dont care at all that they
> have a yield blinker) this yield law sucks and alot of time thier
> blinker does not even work, and they are often very rude not to
> mention dangerous when they merge back into traffic.
>
> 3) The MAX where to start??
> A)Violence on trains with no security at all?? Come on this is such a
> joke, is there even another city that would put up with this??
> B)People not buying tickets!!
> Do any of you actually think even half of the riders are paying?? Come
> on how is this even possible this is such a complete joke- pay if you
> ride why can they not enforce that??
> C)No Smoking Rules that are never-ever enforced that is complete
> crap-----enforce this rule Tri-Met you losers.
>
> 4) Read the link posted above and learn about the dark under belly of
> Tri-Met medical transport.......All i have to say is wow!!!
> Once again Tri-Met has found a way to deflect any blame and blame
> others for thier problems.... They subcontract Medicare rides to
> basically anyone with a car and then they profit off that and
> capitalize on the poor, phsically and mentally challenged while they
> put them in cars with murders and rapist. Nice company!!
>
> Portland Tribune Do you have the guts to do a REAL story about TRI-MET
> and all of the crap the get away with??
> "sam"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:49 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> I can not wait to bring Drug Dealers, Illegal immigrants, and the
> homeless out to Clackamas county.
>
> YA! YA! for the max....Now ill have a easy,FREE way to get out to my
> drug deals at clackamas town center!!
>
> Thank you TRI-Met
> "steve"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:58 PM
> Re: 15-year-old who attacked elderly man at Gresham MAX station to go
> before grand jury
> Same old railing and carping about city and county officials - how far
> do the police have to go to protect us from cradle to grave? Bernard
> Getz protected himself in 1984 on a public transport with his .38
> pistol after being confronted by four gang-bangers: "I only wished
> there were more Bernhard Goetz's in this world! One thing we don't
> need is these genetic defects running around and terrorizing honest
> folks. Bernie, your number one baby!!!!"
> New York Times 1984
> "pwflak"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 05:50 PM
>
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Give me a break Tri Met. You guys have been slacking since you took
> over the Portland Bus System.
> I know about a stabbing on a bus back in the 70's that involved a girl
> that I worked with and when we called Portland City Hall they said
> they had no jurisdiction that you guys were another government. So
> give us a break please. We don't need a summit, what we need is real
> police constantly riding the Max Lines or any Tri Met Bus running
> anywhere!
> "Robson in Gresham"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 06:48 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> More "Rent A Cops" that sound like a very sound solution!! WAY TO GO
> TRI-MET!! Way to clean up crime!!
> Hire more unarmed minimum wage security, thats sure to take a bite out
> of crime!!
>
> You dumb, dumb loser of a company GET REAL!!! DO SOMETHING!!!!!
> "Allen"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 06:49 PM
> 07:42 PM
> Question
> Is this little monster and his parents legal residents of the U.S. or
> is another Oregonian the victim of a criminal alien?
>
> If not, ICE should deport them immediately.
> "Bopper"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 08:43 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> some bus rides are scary too. A gang member did shoot on my bus a
> couple of years ago on the number 6 and killed the other gang member.
> I have been waiting for this to happen on the max, in time it will.
> The interstate line is scary too. The gang members of this day aren't
> afraid of the police. They had started to take on the LA gangs
> mentality and that is a bad thing for Portland, Gresham and others.
> The worst is yet, to come.
> ""
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 08:44 PM
> Question
> Is this little monster and his parents in this country legally, or is
> yet another Oregonian the victim of a vicious, criminal alien?
>
> If not, ICE should deport them immediately.
> "Bopper"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 08:48 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> This Max beating should be prosecuted as a hate crime. Hate crimes
> occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her
> membership in a certain social group, usually defined by race,
> religion, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, nationality, age,
> gender, gender identity, or political affiliation. Hate crimes differ
> from conventional crime because they are not directed simply at an
> individual, but are meant to cause fear and intimidation in an entire
> group or class of people.
>
> The victim is in a protected class due to his age and disability.
>
> "Chilcote was getting off a MAX train Saturday night... when three
> teen-age boys followed him, one taunting him by "calling him old,"
> Gresham Police Chief Carla Piluso said...."
>
> If this doesn't fit the mold of a hate crime, I'm not sure what
> does...but something tells me it won't be treated that way...and
> everybody knows the reason why.
> "TJ"
> (Not verified)
> Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 08:51 PM
> :01 PM
> RePM
>
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 12:48 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> This sounds more like a hate crime. oops minorities can't commit hate
> crimes in this crazy uneducated "pc"
> Town.
>
> Vote No on school levies, they bring in the illegals and
> will not stand up to the gangs and the violence they have brought into
> our society.
>
> Lucky race wasn't reversed then the media would be screaming "HATE
> CRIME"
> "Bill Black"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:02 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> He was an elderly white man who was beaten by a hispanic and it's not
> a hate crime? Oh, thats right, only whites are rascists!
> "Steve"
> again history is repeating itself, as in the 1970's we are seeing that
> local area police do not have Tri-Met crime as their primary function.
> We are seeing "Transit Police" cars at scenes of crimes that have
> nothing to do with Tri-Met. In the mean time, crime is running rampant
> on Max and related sites. Tri-Met beefs up security by contracting
> with security companies, providing unarmed security guards. Those
> guards, who gang bangers ridicule as "rent-a-cops," have no authority
> and who are required simply to "observe and report."
>
> I applaud Mayor Bemis stepping up to do something, but wish to remind
> him and others, that tranist crime is a long term problem, with no
> simple solutions.
>
> "Former Transit Police Officer"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:54 AM
> Re: MAX attack Blame
> Having read all the previous posts I've seen blame laid at the feet of
> Tri-Met, the city governments of Gresham and Portland, various police
> agencies, even the President. There is no doubt all of these entities
> can, and probably should do better at their assigned duties. Placing
> the blame on them for this one incident is not only unfair to them,
> but takes focus away from where the blame belongs.
>
> The blame cannot and should not be place anywhere or on anyone other
> than the 15 year old person that swung the bat. As a parent, I taught
> my children right from wrong from their earliest ages and have seen
> countless other do so as well. You can talk to any 15 year old you
> meet and find they will all know that this sort of action is wrong.
> Unless this 15 year old is found to be brain damaged I'm certain he
> knew that his actions were wrong as well. He just didn't care.
>
> When this country was created, the founding fathers stated that
> punishment should not be "cruel and unusual". At that time a 5 year
> prison term was a near certain death sentence. Stockades were common
> place. Public floggings were the norm. Fear of punishment was a
> determent to crime.
>
> The 15 year old in this case is rewarded by his peers adulation with
> little chance of the punishment outweighing that reward. It was his
> choice. The blame is his. The solution is everyones. Society must be
> willing to change the justice system so that once again it's
> punishments deter.
>
> "Jerry"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:08 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Hansen is now officially a political hack. His non-solution to a real
> problem? "I'm calling for a summit!"
>
> Hansen and the other Little Rascals are going to "put on a show!"
>
> Time to dismantle Metro. Anyone ever see anything improve by throwing
> another layer of government at it? We need some candidates to run for
> Metro on a platform of "if elected I will work to put Metro out of
> business and me out of a job."
>
> Like the reader from Clackamas who can't wait to see these animals
> shipped in at no cost to his community, I fear the same thing for my
> town.
>
> Its disgusting: the only people enjoying MAX are wannabe murderers and
> politically connected developers. Rip up the rails and save your
> towns.
> "Rip Up The Rails"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:10 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> People are gonna have to take care of themselves, it seems.
>
> Welp. I guess along with the backpack holding my work papers, laptop
> and lunch, I'll add a baseball bat to the list of things to carry with
> me on my daily commute.
>
> Or maybe my grandfather's thick, knobbly blackthorn shillelagh. That's
> what he used it for in his day too - thugs and bandits are nothing
> new. Less obvious, much harder wood, and very styling.
>
> Try me now, punks.
> "Mojo"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:29 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Thanks for your enlightened view Mr. Flak. As always, you are
> stupendously stoopid.
> "JoMammy"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:35 AM
> 09:39 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> I remember taking the cell phone out of a dead 16 year old females
> hand after she wrecked her car - her friend on the other heard her
> die. Too little and way too late and if we don't get with the program
> pretty soon, how many more people are going to die???
>
> "PWFlak"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:59 AM
> )
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:03 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Amidst all of this ranting, I would like to add something a bit more
> positive. I don't drive by choice and I moved here 3 1/2 years ago due
> to this city having such outstanding public transit. I live by a Max
> stop on the east side and work by a Max stop downtown. I am on the Max
> daily for a minimum of an hour and many times more often. I also used
> to travel frequently to Beaverton for personal reasons and during all
> of this time in all of these areas, I have never seen any crime of any
> nature occur. Yes, I have been exposed to unruly kids making tons of
> noise, rude people, homeless people who you would prefer not to sit
> next to due to odor (though the same can be said about cigarette
> smokers), people soliciting their agendas (which really angers me in a
> "trapped" environment), people selling things and of course, asking
> for money. All of this is very annoying, but it is called PUBLIC
> transportation; not transportation for a select group of the public.
> Having said all of this, I have also traveled further east on the Max
> than where I live and it is indeed a different ballgame. Aggressive
> and arrogantly rude young people fill the trains, particularly during
> non-rush hours and I have never been beyond the SE 122nd Street stop
> for fear of what I will encounter beyond that. The trains nearly
> anywhere at night are equally problematic and I avoid them as much as
> possible. Traveling east one weekend afternoon, I once watched a few
> young, noisy and unruly guys open a bottle of Seagram's gin (and not
> in a bag) and sit around drinking and passing the bottle around. Right
> above them was a supposed camera in the ceiling, which clearly did not
> work, was not really there or was being observed by someone who simply
> didn't care. Needless to say, this group of young drinkers got worse
> and worse as the trip went on. If that's the worst I ever see, I guess
> I will be a lucky man, but it's not right that it was allowed and I
> can only wonder what more occurred after I had departed and their
> bottle was empty. Clearly there is a need for security the further one
> gets away from the downtown area especially during times other than
> rush hours and any trains late at night. I've read some comments about
> how fareless square contributes to these problems and I say that's
> bull as that is where the least of the problems occur, except again,
> late at night. Without fareless square, I fear more and more people
> would bring their cars into the city and create even more traffic
> congestion than what already exists. While I do support the idea of
> farelss square, this "honor" system outside of that area clearly does
> not work and more attention needs to be paid to this system or changed
> entirely. In three and a half years of near constant Max usage, I've
> probably seen security checking for tickets maybe 7 or 8 times.
> Everyone is aware of the laxness in this area and perhaps if payment
> were more enforced, there would be less of these problem people
> hanging out on trains. If that doesn't help, then there needs to be a
> physical presence in the most troublesome areas. I believe in public
> transit strongly as it is the way of the future for environmental
> issues as well as congestion issues and Portland is way ahead of the
> game for a mid-size city. I've lived in New York City, San Francisco,
> Seattle and San Diego, so I have experience in different transit
> systems and while this one, like all of the others, has its problems,
> it is an outstanding public transit system and it needs support and
> some fine tuning in regards to safety, but it should not be given up
> on for any reason.
> "Ben"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:05 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> I am a work commuter to downtown and I don't run in to issues because
> of the time of day.. it's not bad during commuting time.. And I have
> to say that I am very glad to hear how FAST the Gresham Police got
> that punk too!!!
> "Ron"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 11:18 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Be responsible for your own safety.
>
> You can do this in many ways:
>
> Stand up for yourself
> Stand up for those who can't (71 yr old men)
> Verbally confront the drug sellers and gangsters IF you have friends
> with you
> Call the police
> Pay for the police to be there to hear your call
> Use the call box (flawed as it may be)
> Stand up for those who are calling for help
>
> Become an active participant in your life.
>
> I didn't say cowboy or reckless or soldier of fortune.
>
> There are three types of people in this world:
> sheep wolves sheepdogs
>
> Which one are you?
> "Mark Sherman, West Gresham"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 11:20 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Please do not verbally confront "drug dealers and gangsters" as the
> comment before mine says. You have no idea how they will react or what
> they will do. If you saw them commit a crime and they think you are
> going to get them in trouble they could attack you, even kill you.
> People are often murdered over stupid things like that. Look out for
> your own safety! That is the first step. If you witness a crime call
> the police. Sometimes they can even meet you at the next stop or look
> at security tapes and find the person. Also Transit police know a lot
> of the kids and trouble makers that hang out at the transit centers.
> Do your part, but leave the confronting to the police.
> ""
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 12:17 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Mr. Sherman,
> Do you truly believe that a 70+ year-old individual had the ability to
> enact the alternatives you suggest?
>
> The one alternative that I agree with is to pay for greater police
> protection. Normally, I find higher taxes - especially in this area -
> counterproductive, but there has to be a greater emphasis on public
> safety on this gravy train. As the area becomes more dense more
> nerdw'ells and malcontents will be driven out of the Portland core and
> into the outlying suburbs (way to go, Portland city planners). Cities
> like Gresham and Beaverton will see more and more of these kinds of
> situations unless there is a constant police presence in the area.
>
> If King Tommy I wanted to leave a REAL legacy, he'd find a way to make
> the vaunted MAX a SAFE from of transit.
> "Brent Diskin"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 12:42 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Max is not the problem; it's part of the solution. There is no
> question as many of you have so eloquently pointed out that these
> punks gather on the light rail line.
>
> The problem is with the courts, and the liberal judges who interpret
> our laws and impose light sentencing. Until we deal with the core
> issues, this problem will only get worse, regardless of the number
> police you through at it.
>
> If we could rely on our judicial system to protect us as intended the
> number of incidents would drop drastically.
>
> For those of you who are still with me, the reason Max is part of the
> solution is that when a person sets out to collect vermin you began
> with where they gather. You empower the police and they can wait for
> these punks to come to them, just pick any Max platform.
>
> You bait the trap with cheese when your hunting a rat, to these punks
> public transit is sweeter than cheese.
>
> Sonny Munster get off the computer, and learn to cut hair will ya'
> "Jim Dandy"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 01:15 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Oh, wait... didn't the Gresham police just arrest a Wackenhut Security
> Officer for burglarizing the Adventist Health Medical Plaza. Somehow I
> don't feel much better.
> "Boss Tweed"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 01:27 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> So "TRI-MESS" said that it will increase the number of officers from 5
> now to what 6.
>
> As for "whack-in-hut" I have only seen one officer and that was at the
> zoo stop.
>
> As for the "thugs" you need to realize that "we" as parents we can't
> discipline our kids like my mom did to me back in the late 60's and
> early 70's you smack your kid now and you go to jail.
>
> If max is so safe why is the "driver" in a bomb proof blacked out
> phone booth.
>
> Also you need to realise that chrimanals have more rights than John Q.
> Public thanks to our lovable Gov. and Mayor.
> "Dodge Ram"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 02:33 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Standing in the corner and NOT confronting the gangster while he
> taunted the old man on the train helped enable the senseless event.
>
> Sometimes you have to stand up for what is right and not sit cowering
> in the corner, avoiding eye contact.
>
> 'And then the nazis came for me...and there was no one to help.'
>
> I, for one, will not wait til they come for me.
> "Mark Sherman"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 04:46 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Here people call Fred Hansen yourselves and leave a message tell him
> how you feel about him , his plans to fix this and tri-met.
>
> Fred Hansen
> Phone 503-962-4831
>
> Call
> "brian"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 07:23 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Sadly, it's too little to late for my small business along the new
> North Clackmas Max line. I've had a significant increase of criminal
> activity towards and around my office (located by a new park and ride)
> following the start of Max construction. My clients have expressed
> very serious concern about my location by Max. And with changes in the
> traffic flow and potentially facing even more crime when Max finally
> arrives, I'm seriously looking to move away from North Clackamas to
> Vancouver, WA. I also know other businesses have had negative impacts
> from the Clackamas Max line construction. Our stories and cases
> probably won't make news, that is unless we are unfortunate victims of
> a violent incident.
>
> JAC
> "JAC"
> (Not verified)
> Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 11:53 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> about as belevable as the fare checkers. I ride the max daily and have
> for 5 years, all over from one end to another at all different times.
> I have had my fare checked MAYBE 4-5 times. Max could afford some
> security if they could put the staffers out there to check fares, it
> also makes the jerks that do theses kind of crimes walk away from the
> max, and of course not get on if they see them on the train. Max is
> responsible for this, max and the gangster little punk-o! I also hope
> the family sues the department. I would. I have also been harrassed on
> the train near the lloyd center. What a lovely ride that is, and have
> NEVER seen fares being checked there! Get with it tri-met! Christy
> "christine haworth"
> (Not verified)
> Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 02:17 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Ms. Haworth has a good idea! Get the fare checkers back on board the
> trains! A person with a radio can do a lot to deter problems on the
> trains.
>
> That, and...umm...they can collect the fares that they've missed!
> "Brent Diskin"
> (Not verified)
> Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 07:30 AM
> DO SOMETHING!! DO WE NEED MURDERS ON BOARD MAX BEFORE YOU TAKE
> ACTION????
> "brad"
> (Not verified)
> Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 09:17 AM
> "Carl Ronson"
> (Not verified)
> Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 09:18 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Several interesting points made, and everyone sure is talking. I
> jotted down Fred Hansen's number (503-962-4831) and think it could not
> hurt if everyone with a concern gives his office a call to express our
> outrage. Fred, the Artful Dodger... Thanks to the poster who supplied
> that info. I will make good use of it and encourage others to do so as
> well. It can't hurt, it might rattle his cage-- so why not give it a
> try? At the very least we will annoy his secretary and if she gets
> annoyed enough, perhaps SHE will press for concerns to be addressed.
> (We all know a great secretary his/her weight in gold, as they are the
> ones who get 80% of the work done, right?)
>
> AS for fare inspectors not being effective, I will venture to say that
> I think they would provide some good bang for the buck- they travel in
> pairs, have radios, and are a presence. That alone would help, and
> initially there will probably have to be a strong police presence,
> too, but we cannot afford to place police on each and every car 24/7,
> so other resources, like fare inspectors, will be needed.
> Incidentally, when MAX first came online, there were so many fare
> inspectors riding so frequently, that they recognized regular riders,
> and vice versa. They were a friendly addition and element of safety.
>
> I also agree with the poster who suggested going to turnstiles. The
> honor system has failed miserably. Time to restrategize.
>
> Thanks to the former transit officer for giving us some background on
> the transit police's history. It seems from what he wrote that what
> are now called transit police are not what they once were.
>
> Something HAS to be done, and the time is NOW!
> "Centennial neighbor"
> (Not verified)
> Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:44 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Hey Mass-transit is a great concept and benefits the community in many
> ways but lets look at what it has done to Rockwood and Gresham. I used
> to work behind Cleavland Station in Gresham. From the day Max started
> operating we started having problems. Transients would ride Max to the
> end of the line, gt off and just loiter or look for crimes to commit.
> Once a week we would clear the bum-nest that were built in the bushes
> on our property. And that was pretty much before gangs had arrived.
> Now it's worse.
> One thing I will say is that Carla Pilousi(chief of Gresham police) is
> one of the only local law-enforcement leaders that we can trust. While
> others are playing politics this woman is working hard at doing the
> real work that we pay the police to do. We might have gaps to close in
> the Gresham area, but Carla is our best hope.
> "Reverend Elvis"
> (Not verified)
> Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:56 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> Its a shame that the Gresham police department has to protect itself
> citizens from Tri-Met.
> ""
> (Not verified)
> Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:23 AM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
> I'm seeing a lot of parallels between this Chavez kid that hit the old
> man over the head with a bat and the Chavez committee that's hitting
> North Portland over the head with it's perverbial bat.
> "Joe"
> (Not verified)
> Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:36 AM
> "Ex-Pro-Quarterback"
> (Not verified)
> Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 02:10 PM
> Re: MAX attack sparks safety changes
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