Re: An animal abuser chained to a car

On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [Canada]
>
> Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated car.
>
> Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
>
> Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
>
> Car owner fusses.
>
> Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
>
> Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
>
> Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed to
> car.
>
> Humane officer suspended during investigation.
>
> http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529

I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
children.

ted

Ted wrote:
[...]

> I have always advocate

advocateD

Uh, fwiw.

> vigilante justice for abusers of animals and children.

Sounds good to me.

I've always advocated vigilante justice for cross-posters. There
should be a knock on your front door about now.

i keed!

(But not about the animal or child abusers.)

--
Curt

Ted wrote:
> On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [Canada]
>>
>> Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated car.
>>
>> Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
>>
>> Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
>>
>> Car owner fusses.
>>
>> Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
>>
>> Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
>>
>> Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed to
>> car.
>>
>> Humane officer suspended during investigation.
>>
>> http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
>
> I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
> children.

No doubt. Got what he deserved.

-Thomas

On Aug 12, 8:30 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > [Canada]
>
> > Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated car.
>
> > Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
>
> > Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
>
> > Car owner fusses.
>
> > Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
>
> > Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
>
> > Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed to
> > car.
>
> > Humane officer suspended during investigation.
>
> >http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
>
> I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
> children.
>
> ted- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
identified and unlikely to flee anywhere. it was a pointless
thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.

<raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186991558.287207.15150@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
> On Aug 12, 8:30 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > [Canada]
> >
> > > Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated
car.
> >
> > > Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
> >
> > > Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
> >
> > > Car owner fusses.
> >
> > > Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
> >
> > > Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
> >
> > > Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed
to
> > > car.
> >
> > > Humane officer suspended during investigation.
> >
> > >http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
> >
> > I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
> > children.
> >
> > ted- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
> identified and unlikely to flee anywhere.

Bull shit he was. The story said "irate owner" I cannot imagine an irate
person handing over his identification to a pet detective and I imagine the
pet detective had more important things to do - like getting the dog to the
dog hospital - than to stand around arguing with an irate owner to fill out
paperwork.

> it was a pointless
> thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
> exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.
>

Sorry but the city is exposed to a lawsuit every time they do any kind of
enforcement action. One of the more popular things for criminals in jail
to do is file lawsuits against whatever police agency put them there. And
police have locked criminals to immovable objects plenty of times before
in situations like this.

You don't seem to understand the dog owner had already broken the law
by leaving the dog in the car like that. From the cops POV he was caught
red handed in a criminal act. It is VERY common for people who are
caught in criminal acts to be involved in other illegal activity. You would
also
think a concerned dog owner would be more interested in the welfare of the
pet than
in bitching out the cop. The fact that this dog owner was not interested in
the dogs welfare certainly seems to indicate that he was much more worried
that the cop would come across some kind of other illegal activity.

Ted

<raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186991558.287207.15150@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
> On Aug 12, 8:30 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > [Canada]
>>
>> > Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated car.
>>
>> > Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
>>
>> > Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
>>
>> > Car owner fusses.
>>
>> > Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
>>
>> > Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
>>
>> > Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed to
>> > car.
>>
>> > Humane officer suspended during investigation.
>>
>> >http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
>>
>> I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
>> children.
>>
>> ted- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
> identified and unlikely to flee anywhere. it was a pointless
> thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
> exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.

There is justice and there is law. People with control issues and low self
esteem worry about law. The rest of us worry about justice. Obviously you are
part of the first grope.

--
Keith Schiffner
Reality is motorcycles all else is fantasy.
If you don't want to give her a hard ride you aren't a real man. Straight or gay
she gets your to grinning and acting like a fool kid.

>> >
>> > > Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated
> car.
>> >
>> > > Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
>> >
>> > > Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
>> >
>> > > Car owner fusses.
>> >
>> > > Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
>> >
>> > > Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
>> >
>> > > Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed
> to
>> > > car.
>> >
>> > > Humane officer suspended during investigation.
>> >
>> > >http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
>> >
>> > I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
>> > children.
>> >
>> > ted- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
>> identified and unlikely to flee anywhere.
>
> Bull shit he was. The story said "irate owner" I cannot imagine an irate
> person handing over his identification to a pet detective and I imagine
> the
> pet detective had more important things to do - like getting the dog to
> the
> dog hospital - than to stand around arguing with an irate owner to fill
> out
> paperwork.
>
>> it was a pointless
>> thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
>> exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.
>>
>
> Sorry but the city is exposed to a lawsuit every time they do any kind of
> enforcement action.

Nonsense. Only in egregious cases like this one.


One of the more popular things for criminals in jail
> to do is file lawsuits against whatever police agency put them there.

And they have to pay for those lawsuits. btw, the police often behave in an
unlawful manner so many of these cases are genuine.

And
> police have locked criminals to immovable objects plenty of times before
> in situations like this.

That does not make it unlawful lol They also handcuff children which is
illegal in most of the civilised world.


>
> You don't seem to understand the dog owner had already broken the law
> by leaving the dog in the car like that. That's up to a jury to decide not
> some ignorant animal cop. Juries determine the facts. Perhaps the man just
> intended to leave the dog for a few minutes and something happened to
> prevent him returning. Perhaps he didn't realise it was so hot and wasn't
> thinking.There can be many reasons. But the dog cop displayed depraved
> indifference to human life when he chained this man to a car.

From the cops POV he was caught
> red handed in a criminal act.

Cops are not exactly rocket scientists and what they perceive is usually
wrong.


It is VERY common for people who are
> caught in criminal acts to be involved in other illegal activity.

You're really an idiot. Leaving a dog in a car is not a typical criminal
act. It's more like poor judgement.


You would
> also
> think a concerned dog owner would be more interested in the welfare of the
> pet than
> in bitching out the cop.

He may have been but cops have a way of irritating people. The man may have
tried to explain and then got upset when this cop acted like a little bitch.
The cops subsequent ation proves he/she was a retard by leaving the man in a
very dangerous situation.Aside from the irate gang, the car may have rolled
and dragged the man to death.


The fact that this dog owner was not interested in
> the dogs welfare certainly seems to indicate that he was much more worried
> that the cop would come across some kind of other illegal activity.


You're daft. Get out into the real world kid and stop watching those staged
cop shows.
>
> Ted
>
>

In article <IJednYWQjqTU113bnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@bresnan.com>,
"Keith Schiffner" <schistan@bresnan.net> wrote:

> <raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1186991558.287207.15150@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
> > On Aug 12, 8:30 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > [Canada]
> >>
> >> > Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated car.
> >>
> >> > Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
> >>
> >> > Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
> >>
> >> > Car owner fusses.
> >>
> >> > Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
> >>
> >> > Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
> >>
> >> > Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed to
> >> > car.
> >>
> >> > Humane officer suspended during investigation.
> >>
> >> >http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
> >>
> >> I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
> >> children.
> >>
> >> ted- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >> - Show quoted text -
> >
> > it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
> > identified and unlikely to flee anywhere. it was a pointless
> > thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
> > exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.
>
> There is justice and there is law. People with control issues and low self
> esteem worry about law. The rest of us worry about justice. Obviously you are
> part of the first grope.

Of course, you win the argument: Anyone who tries to deny what you said
has "control issues." On the other hand, only someone with control
issues would poison an argument like that. }: )

--
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In article <newscache$dkjpmj$oui1$1@news.ipinc.net>,
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote:

> <raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1186991558.287207.15150@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
> > On Aug 12, 8:30 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Canada]
> > >
> > > > Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated
> car.
> > >
> > > > Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
> > >
> > > > Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
> > >
> > > > Car owner fusses.
> > >
> > > > Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
> > >
> > > > Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
> > >
> > > > Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed
> to
> > > > car.
> > >
> > > > Humane officer suspended during investigation.
> > >
> > > >http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
> > >
> > > I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
> > > children.
> > >
> > > ted- Hide quoted text -
> > >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
> > identified and unlikely to flee anywhere.
>
> Bull shit he was. The story said "irate owner" I cannot imagine an irate
> person handing over his identification to a pet detective and I imagine the
> pet detective had more important things to do - like getting the dog to the
> dog hospital - than to stand around arguing with an irate owner to fill out
> paperwork.


> > it was a pointless
> > thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
> > exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.
> >
>
> Sorry but the city is exposed to a lawsuit every time they do any kind of
> enforcement action. One of the more popular things for criminals in jail
> to do is file lawsuits against whatever police agency put them there. And
> police have locked criminals to immovable objects plenty of times before
> in situations like this.
>
> You don't seem to understand the dog owner had already broken the law
> by leaving the dog in the car like that. From the cops POV he was caught
> red handed in a criminal act. It is VERY common for people who are
> caught in criminal acts to be involved in other illegal activity. You would
> also
> think a concerned dog owner would be more interested in the welfare of the
> pet than
> in bitching out the cop. The fact that this dog owner was not interested in
> the dogs welfare certainly seems to indicate that he was much more worried
> that the cop would come across some kind of other illegal activity.

Oh, I didn't know you were the judge and jury in this case. My mistake;
I thought it was up to a cop to present the evidence of guilt and have
someone else review it and then pass judgement.

What if the crowd had killed the dog owner? Let's accept that that was
too much. So there's a scale of injury from, say, paper cut or
handcuff-pinch to death. What was the correct amount of punishment for
the crowd to inflict on their vic--err, I mean convict?

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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> <raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1186991558.287207.15150@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
>> On Aug 12, 8:30 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> [Canada]
>>>> Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated
> car.
>>>> Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
>>>> Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
>>>> Car owner fusses.
>>>> Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
>>>> Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
>>>> Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed
> to
>>>> car.
>>>> Humane officer suspended during investigation.
>>>> http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
>>> I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
>>> children.
>>>
>>> ted- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
>> identified and unlikely to flee anywhere.
>
> Bull shit he was. The story said "irate owner" I cannot imagine an irate
> person handing over his identification to a pet detective and I imagine the
> pet detective had more important things to do - like getting the dog to the
> dog hospital - than to stand around arguing with an irate owner to fill out
> paperwork.
>
>> it was a pointless
>> thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
>> exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.
>>
>
> Sorry but the city is exposed to a lawsuit every time they do any kind of
> enforcement action. One of the more popular things for criminals in jail
> to do is file lawsuits against whatever police agency put them there. And
> police have locked criminals to immovable objects plenty of times before
> in situations like this.
>
> You don't seem to understand the dog owner had already broken the law
> by leaving the dog in the car like that. From the cops POV he was caught
> red handed in a criminal act. It is VERY common for people who are
> caught in criminal acts to be involved in other illegal activity. You would
> also
> think a concerned dog owner would be more interested in the welfare of the
> pet than
> in bitching out the cop. The fact that this dog owner was not interested in
> the dogs welfare certainly seems to indicate that he was much more worried
> that the cop would come across some kind of other illegal activity.
>
> Ted
>
>

It wasn't a 'cop', it was "Tre Smith, an animal cruelty investigator for
the Toronto Humane Society".......If it was a cop, fair enough, but I
know I'd be irate if anyone but a cop tried to handcuff me. Definately
an abuse of power by a 'plastic policeman' with delusions of being the
real deal.

As for the 'viglante justice'.....they are lower than an animal abuser,
because they are abusing a human!. Would those same people punch or kick
a chained up dog?

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:39:52 +1200, BrianNZ <brian@itnz.co.nz> wrote:

>Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> <raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1186991558.287207.15150@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
>>> On Aug 12, 8:30 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> [Canada]
>>>>> Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated
>> car.
>>>>> Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
>>>>> Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
>>>>> Car owner fusses.
>>>>> Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
>>>>> Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
>>>>> Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed
>> to
>>>>> car.
>>>>> Humane officer suspended during investigation.
>>>>> http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
>>>> I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
>>>> children.
>>>>
>>>> ted- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
>>> identified and unlikely to flee anywhere.
>>
>> Bull shit he was. The story said "irate owner" I cannot imagine an irate
>> person handing over his identification to a pet detective and I imagine the
>> pet detective had more important things to do - like getting the dog to the
>> dog hospital - than to stand around arguing with an irate owner to fill out
>> paperwork.
>>
>>> it was a pointless
>>> thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
>>> exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry but the city is exposed to a lawsuit every time they do any kind of
>> enforcement action. One of the more popular things for criminals in jail
>> to do is file lawsuits against whatever police agency put them there. And
>> police have locked criminals to immovable objects plenty of times before
>> in situations like this.
>>
>> You don't seem to understand the dog owner had already broken the law
>> by leaving the dog in the car like that. From the cops POV he was caught
>> red handed in a criminal act. It is VERY common for people who are
>> caught in criminal acts to be involved in other illegal activity. You would
>> also
>> think a concerned dog owner would be more interested in the welfare of the
>> pet than
>> in bitching out the cop. The fact that this dog owner was not interested in
>> the dogs welfare certainly seems to indicate that he was much more worried
>> that the cop would come across some kind of other illegal activity.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
>
>It wasn't a 'cop', it was "Tre Smith, an animal cruelty investigator for
>the Toronto Humane Society".......If it was a cop, fair enough, but I
>know I'd be irate if anyone but a cop tried to handcuff me. Definately
>an abuse of power by a 'plastic policeman' with delusions of being the
>real deal.

Bullshit. COUNT on it that if he was issued handcuffs, he has
arrest authority.


>As for the 'viglante justice'.....they are lower than an animal abuser,
>because they are abusing a human!.

No, they are GIVNG ONE SOME JUSTICE. That is not ABUSE.

> Would those same people punch or kick
>a chained up dog?

Obviously not. Nor would the dog have earned it.
, like the man did.


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..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:39:52 +1200, BrianNZ <brian@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>> <raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1186991558.287207.15150@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
>>>> On Aug 12, 8:30 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> [Canada]
>>>>>> Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated
>>> car.
>>>>>> Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
>>>>>> Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
>>>>>> Car owner fusses.
>>>>>> Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
>>>>>> Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
>>>>>> Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed
>>> to
>>>>>> car.
>>>>>> Humane officer suspended during investigation.
>>>>>> http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
>>>>> I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
>>>>> children.
>>>>>
>>>>> ted- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
>>>> identified and unlikely to flee anywhere.
>>> Bull shit he was. The story said "irate owner" I cannot imagine an irate
>>> person handing over his identification to a pet detective and I imagine the
>>> pet detective had more important things to do - like getting the dog to the
>>> dog hospital - than to stand around arguing with an irate owner to fill out
>>> paperwork.
>>>
>>>> it was a pointless
>>>> thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
>>>> exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.
>>>>
>>> Sorry but the city is exposed to a lawsuit every time they do any kind of
>>> enforcement action. One of the more popular things for criminals in jail
>>> to do is file lawsuits against whatever police agency put them there. And
>>> police have locked criminals to immovable objects plenty of times before
>>> in situations like this.
>>>
>>> You don't seem to understand the dog owner had already broken the law
>>> by leaving the dog in the car like that. From the cops POV he was caught
>>> red handed in a criminal act. It is VERY common for people who are
>>> caught in criminal acts to be involved in other illegal activity. You would
>>> also
>>> think a concerned dog owner would be more interested in the welfare of the
>>> pet than
>>> in bitching out the cop. The fact that this dog owner was not interested in
>>> the dogs welfare certainly seems to indicate that he was much more worried
>>> that the cop would come across some kind of other illegal activity.
>>>
>>> Ted
>>>
>>>
>> It wasn't a 'cop', it was "Tre Smith, an animal cruelty investigator for
>> the Toronto Humane Society".......If it was a cop, fair enough, but I
>> know I'd be irate if anyone but a cop tried to handcuff me. Definately
>> an abuse of power by a 'plastic policeman' with delusions of being the
>> real deal.
>
> Bullshit. COUNT on it that if he was issued handcuffs, he has
> arrest authority.



Then arrest him, don't cuff him to a car and sod off.



>
>
>> As for the 'viglante justice'.....they are lower than an animal abuser,
>> because they are abusing a human!.
>
> No, they are GIVNG ONE SOME JUSTICE. That is not ABUSE.


No, thats dumbass cowardice to beat a handcuffed person....he haven't
even been convicted. Maybe you should move over to the Islamic side if
you want that type of justice system?


>
>> Would those same people punch or kick
>> a chained up dog?
>
> Obviously not.


How do you come to that conclusion? If they are prepered to hit a
chained human, I'd say there's a good chance of them hitting a chained
animal 'if they thought it deserved it'.




> Nor would the dog have earned it.


????Wouldn't that depend on what it had done......?


> , like the man did.
>
>

No man deserves to be handcuffed and hit by passers by. Not in a
civilised country anyway.

"Timberwoof" <timberwoof.spam@infernosoft.com> wrote in message
news:timberwoof.spam-05D03C.09422013082007@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net...
> In article <IJednYWQjqTU113bnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@bresnan.com>,
> "Keith Schiffner" <schistan@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
>> <raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1186991558.287207.15150@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
>> > On Aug 12, 8:30 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > [Canada]
>> >>
>> >> > Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated car.
>> >>
>> >> > Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
>> >>
>> >> > Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
>> >>
>> >> > Car owner fusses.
>> >>
>> >> > Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
>> >>
>> >> > Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
>> >>
>> >> > Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed to
>> >> > car.
>> >>
>> >> > Humane officer suspended during investigation.
>> >>
>> >> >http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
>> >>
>> >> I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
>> >> children.
>> >>
>> >> ted- Hide quoted text -
>> >>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>> >
>> > it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
>> > identified and unlikely to flee anywhere. it was a pointless
>> > thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
>> > exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.
>>
>> There is justice and there is law. People with control issues and low self
>> esteem worry about law. The rest of us worry about justice. Obviously you are
>> part of the first grope.
>
> Of course, you win the argument: Anyone who tries to deny what you said
> has "control issues." On the other hand, only someone with control
> issues would poison an argument like that. }: )

Sometime ones opinion and logic do actually coincide without forethought, malice
or the assistance of the 4th internationalists. ;^)
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In article <vKqdnX51w6FqaF3bnZ2dnUVZ_oesnZ2d@bresnan.com>,
"Keith Schiffner" <schistan@bresnan.net> wrote:

> "Timberwoof" <timberwoof.spam@infernosoft.com> wrote in message
> news:timberwoof.spam-05D03C.09422013082007@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net...
> > In article <IJednYWQjqTU113bnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@bresnan.com>, "Keith
> > Schiffner" <schistan@bresnan.net> wrote:
> >
> >> <raamman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1186991558.287207.15150@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> > On Aug 12, 8:30 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > [Canada]
> >> >>
> >> >> > Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in
> >> >> > over-heated car.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Car owner fusses.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to
> >> >> > hospital.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still
> >> >> > handcuffed to car.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Humane officer suspended during investigation.
> >> >>
> >> >> >http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
> >> >>
> >> >> I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals
> >> >> and children.
> >> >>
> >> >> ted- Hide quoted text -
> >> >>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner
> >> > was identified and unlikely to flee anywhere. it was a pointless
> >> > thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
> >> > exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.
> >>
> >> There is justice and there is law. People with control issues and
> >> low self esteem worry about law. The rest of us worry about
> >> justice. Obviously you are part of the first grope.
> >
> > Of course, you win the argument: Anyone who tries to deny what you
> > said has "control issues." On the other hand, only someone with
> > control issues would poison an argument like that. }: )
>
> Sometime ones opinion and logic do actually coincide without
> forethought, malice or the assistance of the 4th internationalists.
> ;^)

Yeah, but this was just a lynching.

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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > [Canada]
>>> >>
>>> >> > Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated
>>> >> > car.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Car owner fusses.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to
>>> >> > hospital.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still
>>> >> > handcuffed to
>>> >> > car.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Humane officer suspended during investigation.
>>> >>
>>> >> >http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
>>> >>
>>> >> I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
>>> >> children.
>>> >>
>>> >> ted- Hide quoted text -
>>> >>
>>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>> >
>>> > it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
>>> > identified and unlikely to flee anywhere. it was a pointless
>>> > thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
>>> > exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.
>>>
>>> There is justice and there is law. People with control issues and low
>>> self
>>> esteem worry about law. The rest of us worry about justice. Obviously
>>> you are
>>> part of the first grope.
>>
>> Of course, you win the argument: Anyone who tries to deny what you said
>> has "control issues." On the other hand, only someone with control
>> issues would poison an argument like that. }: )

You sound like you were born with a poker up your srse.


>
> Sometime ones opinion and logic do actually coincide without forethought,
> malice or the assistance of the 4th internationalists. ;^)
> --
> Keith Schiffner
> Reality is motorcycles all else is fantasy.
> If you don't want to give her a hard ride you aren't a real man. Straight
> or gay
> she gets your to grinning and acting like a fool kid.
>

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:36:46 +1200, BrianNZ <brian@itnz.co.nz> wrote:

>>> It wasn't a 'cop', it was "Tre Smith, an animal cruelty investigator for
>>> the Toronto Humane Society".......If it was a cop, fair enough, but I
>>> know I'd be irate if anyone but a cop tried to handcuff me. Definately
>>> an abuse of power by a 'plastic policeman' with delusions of being the
>>> real deal.
>>
>> Bullshit. COUNT on it that if he was issued handcuffs, he has
>> arrest authority.
>
>Then arrest him, don't cuff him to a car and sod off.

Do whatever is needed to perserve a life. In this case, the
more deserving one - the dog's.

>>
>>> As for the 'viglante justice'.....they are lower than an animal abuser,
>>> because they are abusing a human!.
>>
>> No, they are GIVNG ONE SOME JUSTICE. That is not ABUSE.
>
>No, thats dumbass cowardice to beat a handcuffed person....he haven't
>even been convicted. Maybe you should move over to the Islamic side if
>you want that type of justice system?

I personally would not have done it. Neither would I have
moved to help him if others did.

>No man deserves to be handcuffed and hit by passers by. Not in a
>civilised country anyway.

Bullshit. There are MANY that I would personally enjoy
beating to death slowly.

For instance - those guys in the news every week that rape and
torture little girls ( and boys ), then kill them and throw them in
the landfill. That's just one example.


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..p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:36:46 +1200, BrianNZ <brian@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>>> It wasn't a 'cop', it was "Tre Smith, an animal cruelty investigator for
>>>> the Toronto Humane Society".......If it was a cop, fair enough, but I
>>>> know I'd be irate if anyone but a cop tried to handcuff me. Definately
>>>> an abuse of power by a 'plastic policeman' with delusions of being the
>>>> real deal.
>>> Bullshit. COUNT on it that if he was issued handcuffs, he has
>>> arrest authority.
>> Then arrest him, don't cuff him to a car and sod off.
>
> Do whatever is needed to perserve a life. In this case, the
> more deserving one - the dog's.


that was already done, the window had been broken and the 'investigater'
had removed the dog from the car.........

how is handcuffing a person to a car 'saving' any life? As shown with
hindsight, it actually endangered his life!



>
>>>> As for the 'viglante justice'.....they are lower than an animal abuser,
>>>> because they are abusing a human!.
>>> No, they are GIVNG ONE SOME JUSTICE. That is not ABUSE.
>> No, thats dumbass cowardice to beat a handcuffed person....he haven't
>> even been convicted. Maybe you should move over to the Islamic side if
>> you want that type of justice system?
>
> I personally would not have done it.


You've moved one step up the evolutionary ladder.......


> Neither would I have
> moved to help him if others did.



I can understand you not wanting to get involved in a physical
confrontation, but, as a bystander, the least you could do was phone the
cops.



>
>> No man deserves to be handcuffed and hit by passers by. Not in a
>> civilised country anyway.
>
> Bullshit. There are MANY that I would personally enjoy
> beating to death slowly.
>
> For instance - those guys in the news every week that rape and
> torture little girls ( and boys ), then kill them and throw them in
> the landfill. That's just one example.
>
>

Yet above you say you wouldn't beat a handcuffed person?
There may be a job for your sort in Abu Gharib?

As distasteful the crimes you list above are, there is a legal system to
look after those low lifes. How would you feel if it was you on the
receiving end of vigilante justice for child murder?....I mean, how was
the crowd to know they had the wrong guy? You were handcuffed , right,
so you must be guilty? Luckily the cops have never arrested the wrong
person by mistake.......

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 09:00:48 +1200, BrianNZ <brian@itnz.co.nz> wrote:

>.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:36:46 +1200, BrianNZ <brian@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>>>> It wasn't a 'cop', it was "Tre Smith, an animal cruelty investigator for
>>>>> the Toronto Humane Society".......If it was a cop, fair enough, but I
>>>>> know I'd be irate if anyone but a cop tried to handcuff me. Definately
>>>>> an abuse of power by a 'plastic policeman' with delusions of being the
>>>>> real deal.
>>>> Bullshit. COUNT on it that if he was issued handcuffs, he has
>>>> arrest authority.
>>> Then arrest him, don't cuff him to a car and sod off.
>>
>> Do whatever is needed to perserve a life. In this case, the
>> more deserving one - the dog's.
>
>
>that was already done, the window had been broken and the 'investigater'
> had removed the dog from the car.........
>
>how is handcuffing a person to a car 'saving' any life? As shown with
>hindsight, it actually endangered his life!

It's called 'arresting a criminal'.


>>>>> As for the 'viglante justice'.....they are lower than an animal abuser,
>>>>> because they are abusing a human!.
>>>> No, they are GIVNG ONE SOME JUSTICE. That is not ABUSE.
>>> No, thats dumbass cowardice to beat a handcuffed person....he haven't
>>> even been convicted. Maybe you should move over to the Islamic side if
>>> you want that type of justice system?
>>
>> I personally would not have done it.
>
>
>You've moved one step up the evolutionary ladder.......

Coming from you, that means a lot to me ( cough cough gag
giggle smirk ).


>> Neither would I have
>> moved to help him if others did.
>
>
>
>I can understand you not wanting to get involved in a physical
>confrontation, but, as a bystander, the least you could do was phone the
>cops.

You mistake my point. If I knew that he had mistreated a dog,
I would leave him to his fate.


>>
>>> No man deserves to be handcuffed and hit by passers by. Not in a
>>> civilised country anyway.
>>
>> Bullshit. There are MANY that I would personally enjoy
>> beating to death slowly.
>>
>> For instance - those guys in the news every week that rape and
>> torture little girls ( and boys ), then kill them and throw them in
>> the landfill. That's just one example.
>>
>>
>
>Yet above you say you wouldn't beat a handcuffed person?

No, I never said that. I said that IN THE PARTICULAR CASE of
the guy with the dog, I wouldn't have. Nor would I have lifted a
finger to help him.

>There may be a job for your sort in Abu Gharib?

Might could be. Not sure I'd see eye to eye with the new
mangament.

>As distasteful the crimes you list above are, there is a legal system to
>look after those low lifes.

Yeh - protecting their 'civil rights'. Like the illegal alien
last week that was out on bail for prior offenses, still not deported,
and killed a little girl after raping her.


> How would you feel if it was you on the
>receiving end of vigilante justice for child murder?....I mean, how was
>the crowd to know they had the wrong guy?

If they SAW me do it ( like they SAW the owner of the dog
abuse it ), there's very little doubt about it.


> You were handcuffed , right,
>so you must be guilty? Luckily the cops have never arrested the wrong
>person by mistake.......



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On Aug 13, 6:25 am, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <t...@toybox.placo.com> wrote:
> <raam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186991558.287207.15150@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 8:30 pm, Ted <tedor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 12, 2:06 pm, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > [Canada]
>
> > > > Animal abuse officer responds to call of dog locked in over-heated
> car.
>
> > > > Finds dog, collapsed, foaming at the mouth.
>
> > > > Smashes car window. Rescues dog.
>
> > > > Car owner fusses.
>
> > > > Humane officer handcuffs dog owner to car and rushes dog to hospital.
>
> > > > Crowd gathers. Beats the shit out of dog owner.
>
> > > > Cops arrive to find dog owner, beaten, bleeding, and still handcuffed
> to
> > > > car.
>
> > > > Humane officer suspended during investigation.
>
> > > >http://www.thestar.com/News/article/245529
>
> > > I have always advocate vigilante justice for abusers of animals and
> > > children.
>
> > > ted- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > it wasn't necessary to handcuff the owner of the dog- the owner was
> > identified and unlikely to flee anywhere.
>
> Bull shit he was. The story said "irate owner" I cannot imagine an irate
> person handing over his identification to a pet detective and I imagine the
> pet detective had more important things to do - like getting the dog to the
> dog hospital - than to stand around arguing with an irate owner to fill out
> paperwork.
>
> > it was a pointless
> > thoughtless act on part of the inspector, an abuse of power, and
> > exposes the city and spca to a lawsuit.
>
> Sorry but the city is exposed to a lawsuit every time they do any kind of
> enforcement action. One of the more popular things for criminals in jail
> to do is file lawsuits against whatever police agency put them there. And
> police have locked criminals to immovable objects plenty of times before
> in situations like this.
>
> You don't seem to understand the dog owner had already broken the law
> by leaving the dog in the car like that. From the cops POV he was caught
> red handed in a criminal act. It is VERY common for people who are
> caught in criminal acts to be involved in other illegal activity. You would
> also
> think a concerned dog owner would be more interested in the welfare of the
> pet than
> in bitching out the cop. The fact that this dog owner was not interested in
> the dogs welfare certainly seems to indicate that he was much more worried
> that the cop would come across some kind of other illegal activity.
>
> Ted- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Perhaps you are a dog owner...maybe one day you decide to take the dog
out to the park; you open the car the dog jumps in and somehow you end
up with the door locked, both the keys and your dog in the car. you go
get the spare...can't find the spare...call the tow truck to come with
a slim jim, you have to look up the phone number, call, go on hold,
talk to the dispatcher, get a rate, give your name details and get an
eta...find the spare, call the tow truck company back to cancel the
truck because it's very expensive, go on hold, talk to the dispatcher,
inform that you found the spare wait while she radios the truck to see
if they can cancel, finally the dispatcher comes back to you says ok
the truck has been canceled, you go downstairs, the spca officer has
smashed your car window and brought out your dog, before you can do
much explaining you are handcuffed to your car with a mob growing
around you...yes ?

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:43:53 -0700, raamman@gmail.com wrote:

>
>Perhaps you are a dog owner...maybe one day you decide to take the dog
>out to the park; you open the car the dog jumps in and somehow you end
>up with the door locked, both the keys and your dog in the car. you go
>get the spare...can't find the spare...call the tow truck to come with
>a slim jim, you have to look up the phone number, call, go on hold,
>talk to the dispatcher, get a rate, give your name details and get an
>eta...find the spare, call the tow truck company back to cancel the
>truck because it's very expensive, go on hold, talk to the dispatcher,
>inform that you found the spare wait while she radios the truck to see
>if they can cancel, finally the dispatcher comes back to you says ok
>the truck has been canceled, you go downstairs, the spca officer has
>smashed your car window and brought out your dog, before you can do
>much explaining you are handcuffed to your car with a mob growing
>around you...yes ?

Bullshit.


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raamman@gmail.com wrote:
> Perhaps you are a dog owner...maybe one day you decide to take the dog
> out to the park; you open the car the dog jumps in and somehow you end
> up with the door locked, both the keys and your dog in the car. you go
> get the spare...can't find the spare...call the tow truck to come with
> a slim jim, you have to look up the phone number, call, go on hold,
> talk to the dispatcher, get a rate, give your name details and get an
> eta...find the spare, call the tow truck company back to cancel the
> truck because it's very expensive, go on hold, talk to the dispatcher,
> inform that you found the spare wait while she radios the truck to see
> if they can cancel, finally the dispatcher comes back to you says ok
> the truck has been canceled, you go downstairs, the spca officer has
> smashed your car window and brought out your dog, before you can do
> much explaining you are handcuffed to your car with a mob growing
> around you...yes ?

Then you deserve to be handcuffed to your car and have
the shit beat out of you.

Break the freakin' windows to save the dog's life, asshole.


Lumpy

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Yes. Who would you like people to think you are?

www.lumpyvoice.net

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:16:36 -0700, "Lumpy"
<lumpy@digitalcartography.com> wrote:

>raamman@gmail.com wrote:
>> Perhaps you are a dog owner...maybe one day you decide to take the dog
>> out to the park; you open the car the dog jumps in and somehow you end
>> up with the door locked, both the keys and your dog in the car. you go
>> get the spare...can't find the spare...call the tow truck to come with
>> a slim jim, you have to look up the phone number, call, go on hold,
>> talk to the dispatcher, get a rate, give your name details and get an
>> eta...find the spare, call the tow truck company back to cancel the
>> truck because it's very expensive, go on hold, talk to the dispatcher,
>> inform that you found the spare wait while she radios the truck to see
>> if they can cancel, finally the dispatcher comes back to you says ok
>> the truck has been canceled, you go downstairs, the spca officer has
>> smashed your car window and brought out your dog, before you can do
>> much explaining you are handcuffed to your car with a mob growing
>> around you...yes ?
>
>Then you deserve to be handcuffed to your car and have
>the shit beat out of you.
>
>Break the freakin' windows to save the dog's life, asshole.

Yep. And explain all the above to the cop, who will not be
handcuffing you after you tell him.

>
>
>Lumpy
>
>Will you do my answering machine message?
>Yes. Who would you like people to think you are?
>
>www.lumpyvoice.net
>
>

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On Aug 14, 11:05 pm, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:43:53 -0700, raam...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >Perhaps you are a dog owner...maybe one day you decide to take the dog
> >out to the park; you open the car the dog jumps in and somehow you end
> >up with the door locked, both the keys and your dog in the car. you go
> >get the spare...can't find the spare...call the tow truck to come with
> >a slim jim, you have to look up the phone number, call, go on hold,
> >talk to the dispatcher, get a rate, give your name details and get an
> >eta...find the spare, call the tow truck company back to cancel the
> >truck because it's very expensive, go on hold, talk to the dispatcher,
> >inform that you found the spare wait while she radios the truck to see
> >if they can cancel, finally the dispatcher comes back to you says ok
> >the truck has been canceled, you go downstairs, the spca officer has
> >smashed your car window and brought out your dog, before you can do
> >much explaining you are handcuffed to your car with a mob growing
> >around you...yes ?