On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:16:54 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dnia 2006-10-04 Charles napisał(a):
>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:48:39 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>><bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dnia 2006-10-04 Charles napisał(a):
>>>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:09:22 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>>>><bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> There is no such 'recognised' lift/exercise,
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, there is. I found this name and exercise first time on Dan John
>>>>>site. Some champion thrower loved it and believed that it contributed
>>>>>in a big way to his successes.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you would be kind enough to direct me to the URL; I am always
>>>> willing to learn something new.
>>>
>>>http://danjohn.org/page62.html
>>
>> Thank you, and you have certainly proved that such a lift/exercise
>> exists, and I will certainly assess its effective tomorrow when I go
>> for my workout tomorrow, and report my findings.
>>
>> However, you have rather complicated and confused matters by veering
>> off the topic of dumbbell exercises, by describing dumbbell cleans as
>> "cheat curls", which you say are the same as "power cleans",
>
>For dumbbells they are. Cleans and power curls differ only in grip,
>but as for dumbbells there is one grip they become the same exercise.
We will therefore need to agree to differ!
>
>> and then
>> giving Dan John variations with an underhand grip (supinated) which
>> are intended for barbells.
>
>I'm afraid, you could do it even with kettlebells. ;-)
Not without the prospect of giving yourself a severe smack in the gob!
>
>> The Dan John descriptions further confuse with various names, some of
>> which are also used for other classic lifts: “curl grip power cleans”,
>> “cheat curls”, "power curl",
>>
>> With a clean, the weight is rotated round the arms before it comes to
>> rest on the front of the shoulders.
>
>No, it should not. It should go straight up.
It does; you may be a tad confused. Here is a clean:
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/excer...t_curlspic.htm
>
>> With your Dan John supinated grip
>> version, the weight is lifted straight up to the shoulders without
>> this rotation.
>
>That's how it should work for cleans too.
See above URL!
Try doing that with an upward (supinated) grip, and end up with a
heavy weight on your thumbs!
>
>I've seen one clip on YouTube where a bunch of girls performed hang
>cleans the way you describe them. They had a coach but I'm not sure
>what this person did. Their technique was obviously flawed.
>
Nothing wrong with this technique:
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...HangClean.html
>Weight should go straight up, not swing up. Look at some clips of
>weightlifters doing cleans.
I have nowhere said the weight should "swing up".
>
>> This is quite clearly, simply a variation and
>> combination of a number of lifts which also includes the arm curl.
>> However, in classic terms it can hardly be described as a "clean".
>>
>> The "cheat curl" (for barbell or dumbbell) is as I described earlier,
>> an example of which may be seen here:
>>
>> http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/excer...t_curlspic.htm
>
>Yeah. I've seen it already. Even in a mirror, once or twice. ;-)
Not as nice as the view in my mirror! ;o)
>
>But it's better to cheat in the clean-like style. "Be reasonable, do
>it my way." like some guy used to say. ;-)
Only if you do it right - like me! ;o)
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