Re: BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK

On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
> from FoxNews.com
>
> BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>
> . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to the
> rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>
> . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United States
> Military Academy at West Point
>
> . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from
> Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>
> . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also commanded
> Operation Allied Force
>
> . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as Commander-in-Chief
> of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised U.S.
> military activities
>
> . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic planning as
> Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
>
> . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the Silver
> Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>
> . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - the nation's
> highest civilian honor
>
> more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> *
> Paige PbD

I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.

bill

billimmelman@yahoo.com wrote in
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> On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>> from FoxNews.com
>>
>> BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>>
>> . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to
>> the rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>>
>> . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United
>> Stat
> es
>> Military Academy at West Point
>>
>> . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and
>> Economics f
> rom
>> Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>>
>> . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
>> Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also
>> command
> ed
>> Operation Allied Force
>>
>> . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as
>> Commander-in-Chi
> ef
>> of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised
>> U.S. military activities
>>
>> . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic
>> planning a
> s
>> Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
>>
>> . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the
>> Silv
> er
>> Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>>
>> . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - the
>> natio
> n's
>> highest civilian honor
>>
>> more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
>> *
>> Paige PbD
>
> I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.

I would bet that Clark wishes he had the same respect McCain has.


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from the problem."

On Jul 1, 3:03*pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > from FoxNews.com
>
> > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>
> > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to the
> > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>
> > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United States
> > Military Academy at West Point
>
> > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from
> > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>
> > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also commanded
> > Operation Allied Force
>
> > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as Commander-in-Chief
> > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised U.S..
> > military activities
>
> > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic planning as
> > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
>
> > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the Silver
> > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>
> > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - the nation's
> > highest civilian honor
>
> > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > *
> > Paige PbD
>
> I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
>
> bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
little chickenshit in civilian life.

On Jul 2, 2:47*pm, thatemailn...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 1, 3:03*pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>
> > > from FoxNews.com
>
> > > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>
> > > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to the
> > > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>
> > > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United States
> > > Military Academy at West Point
>
> > > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from
> > > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>
> > > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also commanded
> > > Operation Allied Force
>
> > > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as Commander-in-Chief
> > > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised U..S.
> > > military activities
>
> > > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic planning as
> > > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
>
> > > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the Silver
> > > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>
> > > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - the nation's
> > > highest civilian honor
>
> > > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > > *
> > > Paige PbD
>
> > I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
>
> > bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
> little chickenshit in civilian life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What is even more interesting is how he can be critical of McCain
while supporting Obama on points where Obama comes far short of
McCain's experience and qualifications. He is critical of McCain for
not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
military experience. He is critical of McCain because he has never
supposedly been in an executive position such as govenor but then
neither has Obama. He is critical of McCain on foreign policy
experience when Obama has zero foreign policy experience.

"BobR" <reed1@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 2, 2:47 pm, thatemailn...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 1, 3:03 pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 8:59 am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>
> > > from FoxNews.com
>
> > > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>
> > > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to
> > > the
> > > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>
> > > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United
> > > States
> > > Military Academy at West Point
>
> > > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and
> > > Economics from
> > > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>
> > > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also
> > > commanded
> > > Operation Allied Force
>
> > > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as
> > > Commander-in-Chief
> > > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised
> > > U.S.
> > > military activities
>
> > > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic
> > > planning as
> > > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
>
> > > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the
> > > Silver
> > > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>
> > > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - the
> > > nation's
> > > highest civilian honor
>
> > > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > > *
> > > Paige PbD
>
> > I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
>
> > bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
> little chickenshit in civilian life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What is even more interesting is how he can be critical of McCain
while supporting Obama on points where Obama comes far short of
McCain's experience and qualifications. He is critical of McCain for
not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
military experience. He is critical of McCain because he has never
supposedly been in an executive position such as govenor but then
neither has Obama. He is critical of McCain on foreign policy
experience when Obama has zero foreign policy experience.

He is a person who will do what is expedient. In his rise through the ranks
he probably owes more to that "quality" than his sterling academic
credentials. He is basically a smart little deviant. He is no doubt angling
for a high command of some sort if Obama wins.

On Jul 2, 1:40*pm, BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 2:47*pm, thatemailn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 3:03*pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>
> > > > from FoxNews.com
>
> > > > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>
> > > > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising tothe
> > > > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>
> > > > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the UnitedStates
> > > > Military Academy at West Point
>
> > > > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from
> > > > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>
> > > > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > > > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also commanded
> > > > Operation Allied Force
>
> > > > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as Commander-in-Chief
> > > > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervisedU.S.
> > > > military activities
>
> > > > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic planning as
> > > > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
>
> > > > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including theSilver
> > > > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>
> > > > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - the nation's
> > > > highest civilian honor
>
> > > > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > > > *
> > > > Paige PbD
>
> > > I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
>
> > > bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
> > little chickenshit in civilian life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> What is even more interesting is how he can be critical of McCain
> while supporting Obama on points where Obama comes far short of
> McCain's experience and qualifications. *He is critical of McCain for
> not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
> military experience. *He is critical of McCain because he has never
> supposedly been in an executive position such as govenor but then
> neither has Obama. *He is critical of McCain on foreign policy
> experience when Obama has zero foreign policy experience.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Good point..
Four years ago, Wesley thought that John Kerry's 4 months in Vietnam
was his greatest asset and more than enough to give him executive
ability. Somehow, now he thinks that McCain's 20 plus years isn't
enough to overcome Obama's extremely limited "experience." No wonder
Obama rejected Wes's remarks. It's almost like Wesley was campaining
*against* him.
--
Rayvan

On Jul 2, 4:40*pm, BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 2:47*pm, thatemailn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 3:03*pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>
> > > > from FoxNews.com
>
> > > > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>
> > > > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to the
> > > > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>
> > > > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United States
> > > > Military Academy at West Point
>
> > > > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from
> > > > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>
> > > > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > > > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also commanded
> > > > Operation Allied Force
>
> > > > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as Commander-in-Chief
> > > > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised U.S.
> > > > military activities
>
> > > > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic planning as
> > > > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
>
> > > > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the Silver
> > > > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>
> > > > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - thenation's
> > > > highest civilian honor
>
> > > > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > > > *
> > > > Paige PbD
>
> > > I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
>
> > > bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
> > little chickenshit in civilian life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> What is even more interesting is how he can be critical of McCain
> while supporting Obama on points where Obama comes far short of
> McCain's experience and qualifications. *He is critical of McCain for
> not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
> military experience. *He is critical of McCain because he has never
> supposedly been in an executive position such as govenor but then
> neither has Obama. *He is critical of McCain on foreign policy
> experience when Obama has zero foreign policy experience.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The Clark quote I heard simply made the point that an aviator in the
military is not someone who makes executive level decisions. I never
heard him pad Obama's resume. He simply pointed out that for all the
publicity surrounding McCain's service, the public should be aware
that while it may be honorable, it wasn't command level experience.
IOW, neither has any real experience at this so it's a wash. No big
deal, neither did Bush, Clinton, Regan etc.

Of course the idiots on Faux News make it sound like Clark pissed on
McCain's head. And their lapdogs eat the shit up...

On Jul 2, 7:27*pm, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 4:40*pm, BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 2:47*pm, thatemailn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 3:03*pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > from FoxNews.com
>
> > > > > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>
> > > > > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, risingto the
> > > > > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>
> > > > > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United States
> > > > > Military Academy at West Point
>
> > > > > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from
> > > > > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>
> > > > > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > > > > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He alsocommanded
> > > > > Operation Allied Force
>
> > > > > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as Commander-in-Chief
> > > > > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised U.S.
> > > > > military activities
>
> > > > > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic planning as
> > > > > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
>
> > > > > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the Silver
> > > > > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>
> > > > > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - the nation's
> > > > > highest civilian honor
>
> > > > > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > > > > *
> > > > > Paige PbD
>
> > > > I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
>
> > > > bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
> > > little chickenshit in civilian life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > What is even more interesting is how he can be critical of McCain
> > while supporting Obama on points where Obama comes far short of
> > McCain's experience and qualifications. *He is critical of McCain for
> > not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
> > military experience. *He is critical of McCain because he has never
> > supposedly been in an executive position such as govenor but then
> > neither has Obama. *He is critical of McCain on foreign policy
> > experience when Obama has zero foreign policy experience.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The Clark quote I heard simply made the point that an aviator in the
> military is not someone who makes executive level decisions. *I never
> heard him pad Obama's resume. *He simply pointed out that for all the
> publicity surrounding McCain's service, the public should be aware
> that while it may be honorable, it wasn't command level experience.
> IOW, neither has any real experience at this so it's a wash. *No big
> deal, neither did Bush, Clinton, Regan etc.
>
> Of course the idiots on Faux News make it sound like Clark pissed on
> McCain's head. *And their lapdogs eat the shit up...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I didn't say he padded Obama's resume, he simply ignored the lack of a
resume.

"BobR" <reed1@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote in message
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> He is critical of McCain for
> not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
> military experience.

"Military experience" is not necessary for the job.
Leadership is.
McCain has always been a follower; never a leader.

In article <2d973803-1f4f-4fb1-a904-9db2a990ccd4
@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, billimmelman@yahoo.com says...
> On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
> > from FoxNews.com
> >
> > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
> >
> > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to the
> > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
> >
> > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United States
> > Military Academy at West Point
> >
> > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economicsfrom
> > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
> >
> > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also commanded
> > Operation Allied Force
> >
> > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as Commander-in-Chief
> > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised U.S.
> > military activities
> >
> > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic planningas
> > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
> >
> > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the Silver
> > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
> >
> > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - the nation's
> > highest civilian honor
> >
> > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > *
> > Paige PbD
>
> I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.

Why would McCain want to be a whore ?

--

"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
- Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond"

In article <df0416cb-da71-44a3-9ef2-
d8002b71918c@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, saddlebag@aol.com says...
> On Jul 2, 4:40*pm, BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 2, 2:47*pm, thatemailn...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 1, 3:03*pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > > On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > from FoxNews.com
> >
> > > > > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
> >
> > > > > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, risingto the
> > > > > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
> >
> > > > > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United States
> > > > > Military Academy at West Point
> >
> > > > > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from
> > > > > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
> >
> > > > > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > > > > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He alsocommanded
> > > > > Operation Allied Force
> >
> > > > > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as Commander-in-Chief
> > > > > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised U.S.
> > > > > military activities
> >
> > > > > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic planning as
> > > > > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
> >
> > > > > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the Silver
> > > > > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
> >
> > > > > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - the nation's
> > > > > highest civilian honor
> >
> > > > > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > > > > *
> > > > > Paige PbD
> >
> > > > I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
> >
> > > > bill- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
> > > little chickenshit in civilian life.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > What is even more interesting is how he can be critical of McCain
> > while supporting Obama on points where Obama comes far short of
> > McCain's experience and qualifications. *He is critical of McCain for
> > not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
> > military experience. *He is critical of McCain because he has never
> > supposedly been in an executive position such as govenor but then
> > neither has Obama. *He is critical of McCain on foreign policy
> > experience when Obama has zero foreign policy experience.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The Clark quote I heard simply made the point that an aviator in the
> military is not someone who makes executive level decisions. I never
> heard him pad Obama's resume. He simply pointed out that for all the
> publicity surrounding McCain's service, the public should be aware
> that while it may be honorable, it wasn't command level experience.
> IOW, neither has any real experience at this so it's a wash. No big
> deal, neither did Bush, Clinton, Regan etc.

Wasn't command level experiance ?
Really.
Running a squadron isn't a command ?





--

"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
- Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond"

On Jul 2, 11:11*pm, BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 7:27*pm, saddlebag <saddle...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 4:40*pm, BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 2, 2:47*pm, thatemailn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 3:03*pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > from FoxNews.com
>
> > > > > > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>
> > > > > > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to the
> > > > > > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>
> > > > > > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United States
> > > > > > Military Academy at West Point
>
> > > > > > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from
> > > > > > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>
> > > > > > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > > > > > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also commanded
> > > > > > Operation Allied Force
>
> > > > > > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as Commander-in-Chief
> > > > > > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised U.S.
> > > > > > military activities
>
> > > > > > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic planning as
> > > > > > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs ofStaff
>
> > > > > > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the Silver
> > > > > > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>
> > > > > > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom -the nation's
> > > > > > highest civilian honor
>
> > > > > > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > > > > > *
> > > > > > Paige PbD
>
> > > > > I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
>
> > > > > bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
> > > > little chickenshit in civilian life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > What is even more interesting is how he can be critical of McCain
> > > while supporting Obama on points where Obama comes far short of
> > > McCain's experience and qualifications. *He is critical of McCain for
> > > not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
> > > military experience. *He is critical of McCain because he has never
> > > supposedly been in an executive position such as govenor but then
> > > neither has Obama. *He is critical of McCain on foreign policy
> > > experience when Obama has zero foreign policy experience.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > The Clark quote I heard simply made the point that an aviator in the
> > military is not someone who makes executive level decisions. *I never
> > heard him pad Obama's resume. *He simply pointed out that for all the
> > publicity surrounding McCain's service, the public should be aware
> > that while it may be honorable, it wasn't command level experience.
> > IOW, neither has any real experience at this so it's a wash. *No big
> > deal, neither did Bush, Clinton, Regan etc.
>
> > Of course the idiots on Faux News make it sound like Clark pissed on
> > McCain's head. *And their lapdogs eat the shit up...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I didn't say he padded Obama's resume, he simply ignored the lack of a
> resume.

Of course not. Would you expect Newt Gingrich to come out swinging
for McCain's head?

Clark has a horse in this race. He simply demonstrated why there is no
reason to believe that the competition has a better pedigree. Nothing
below the belt there.

On Jul 3, 2:29*am, tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.comm> wrote:
> In article <df0416cb-da71-44a3-9ef2-
> d8002b719...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, saddle...@aol.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 4:40*pm, BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 2, 2:47*pm, thatemailn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 3:03*pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > from FoxNews.com
>
> > > > > > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>
> > > > > > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to the
> > > > > > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>
> > > > > > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United States
> > > > > > Military Academy at West Point
>
> > > > > > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from
> > > > > > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>
> > > > > > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > > > > > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also commanded
> > > > > > Operation Allied Force
>
> > > > > > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as Commander-in-Chief
> > > > > > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised U.S.
> > > > > > military activities
>
> > > > > > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic planning as
> > > > > > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
>
> > > > > > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, includingthe Silver
> > > > > > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>
> > > > > > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - the nation's
> > > > > > highest civilian honor
>
> > > > > > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > > > > > *
> > > > > > Paige PbD
>
> > > > > I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
>
> > > > > bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
> > > > little chickenshit in civilian life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > What is even more interesting is how he can be critical of McCain
> > > while supporting Obama on points where Obama comes far short of
> > > McCain's experience and qualifications. *He is critical of McCain for
> > > not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
> > > military experience. *He is critical of McCain because he has never
> > > supposedly been in an executive position such as govenor but then
> > > neither has Obama. *He is critical of McCain on foreign policy
> > > experience when Obama has zero foreign policy experience.- Hide quotedtext -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > The Clark quote I heard simply made the point that an aviator in the
> > military is not someone who makes executive level decisions. *I never
> > heard him pad Obama's resume. *He simply pointed out that for all the
> > publicity surrounding McCain's service, the public should be aware
> > that while it may be honorable, it wasn't command level experience.
> > IOW, neither has any real experience at this so it's a wash. *No big
> > deal, neither did Bush, Clinton, Regan etc.
>
> Wasn't command level experiance ?
> Really.
> Running a squadron isn't a command ?

Maybe, maybe not. But that would be the intellegent way to frame the
debate instead of all the Faux News blubbering that someone didn't
properly fawn all over their candidate.

"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:n1Zak.12909$xZ.5586@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "BobR" <reed1@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote in message
> news:3f4c6cc5-7109-4ee2-b1b0-e5f88d1ac857@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>> He is critical of McCain for
>> not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
>> military experience.
>
> "Military experience" is not necessary for the job.
> Leadership is.
> McCain has always been a follower; never a leader.

Commanding Officer.

Hardly a follower.

"saddlebag" <saddlebag@aol.com> wrote in message
news:01c89dde-dc2f-43cc-a00c-2d4215c1aaf4@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 3, 2:29 am, tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.comm> wrote:
> In article <df0416cb-da71-44a3-9ef2-
> d8002b719...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, saddle...@aol.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 4:40 pm, BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 2, 2:47 pm, thatemailn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 3:03 pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 1, 8:59 am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > from FoxNews.com
>
> > > > > > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>
> > > > > > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army,
> > > > > > rising to the
> > > > > > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>
> > > > > > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the
> > > > > > United States
> > > > > > Military Academy at West Point
>
> > > > > > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and
> > > > > > Economics from
> > > > > > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>
> > > > > > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > > > > > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He
> > > > > > also commanded
> > > > > > Operation Allied Force
>
> > > > > > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as
> > > > > > Commander-in-Chief
> > > > > > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he
> > > > > > supervised U.S.
> > > > > > military activities
>
> > > > > > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic
> > > > > > planning as
> > > > > > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of
> > > > > > Staff
>
> > > > > > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including
> > > > > > the Silver
> > > > > > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>
> > > > > > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom -
> > > > > > the nation's
> > > > > > highest civilian honor
>
> > > > > > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > > > > > *
> > > > > > Paige PbD
>
> > > > > I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
>
> > > > > bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
> > > > little chickenshit in civilian life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > What is even more interesting is how he can be critical of McCain
> > > while supporting Obama on points where Obama comes far short of
> > > McCain's experience and qualifications. He is critical of McCain for
> > > not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
> > > military experience. He is critical of McCain because he has never
> > > supposedly been in an executive position such as govenor but then
> > > neither has Obama. He is critical of McCain on foreign policy
> > > experience when Obama has zero foreign policy experience.- Hide quoted
> > > text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > The Clark quote I heard simply made the point that an aviator in the
> > military is not someone who makes executive level decisions. I never
> > heard him pad Obama's resume. He simply pointed out that for all the
> > publicity surrounding McCain's service, the public should be aware
> > that while it may be honorable, it wasn't command level experience.
> > IOW, neither has any real experience at this so it's a wash. No big
> > deal, neither did Bush, Clinton, Regan etc.
>
> Wasn't command level experiance ?
> Really.
> Running a squadron isn't a command ?

Maybe, maybe not.

*****

no 'maybe' about it. It is a command, he was the commanding office of that
command, and thus the leader of the men in that command.

*******

But that would be the intellegent way to frame the
debate instead of all the Faux News blubbering that someone didn't
properly fawn all over their candidate.

"saddlebag" <saddlebag@aol.com> wrote in message
news:df0416cb-da71-44a3-9ef2-d8002b71918c@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 2, 4:40 pm, BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 2:47 pm, thatemailn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 3:03 pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 8:59 am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>
> > > > from FoxNews.com
>
> > > > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>
> > > > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to
> > > > the
> > > > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
>
> > > > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from the United
> > > > States
> > > > Military Academy at West Point
>
> > > > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics and
> > > > Economics from
> > > > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
>
> > > > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > > > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also
> > > > commanded
> > > > Operation Allied Force
>
> > > > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as
> > > > Commander-in-Chief
> > > > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised
> > > > U.S.
> > > > military activities
>
> > > > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic
> > > > planning as
> > > > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of
> > > > Staff
>
> > > > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the
> > > > Silver
> > > > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
>
> > > > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom - the
> > > > nation's
> > > > highest civilian honor
>
> > > > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > > > *
> > > > Paige PbD
>
> > > I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
>
> > > bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
> > little chickenshit in civilian life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> What is even more interesting is how he can be critical of McCain
> while supporting Obama on points where Obama comes far short of
> McCain's experience and qualifications. He is critical of McCain for
> not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
> military experience. He is critical of McCain because he has never
> supposedly been in an executive position such as govenor but then
> neither has Obama. He is critical of McCain on foreign policy
> experience when Obama has zero foreign policy experience.- Hide quoted
> text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The Clark quote I heard simply made the point that an aviator in the
military is not someone who makes executive level decisions. I never
heard him pad Obama's resume. He simply pointed out that for all the
publicity surrounding McCain's service, the public should be aware
that while it may be honorable, it wasn't command level experience.

****answer****

Really? Being a squadron commander isn't "command level experience"?????

Since when?

McCain was CO, which is sort for COMMANDING OFFICER, of a squadron. How
exactly does a COMMANDING OFFICER have no command level experience?

"The commanding officer (CO) is the officer in command of a military unit.
Typically, the commanding officer has ultimate authority over the unit, and
is usually given wide latitude to run the unit as he sees fit, within the
bounds of military law. In this respect, commanding officers have
significant responsibilities (for example, the use of force, finances,
equipment, the Geneva Conventions), duties (to higher authority, mission
effectiveness, duty of care to personnel) and powers (for example,
discipline and punishment of personnel within certain limits of military
law)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commanding_officer


So to the facts:

McCain has military command level experience
Obama does not

Does it matter? Depends if you feel that military command experience is
necessary in a time of international conflict.

On Jul 2, 11:58*pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
> "BobR" <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3f4c6cc5-7109-4ee2-b1b0-e5f88d1ac857@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > He is critical of McCain for
> > not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
> > military experience.
>
> "Military experience" is not necessary for the job.
> Leadership is.
> McCain has always been a follower; never a leader.

And OBAMA is a leader....of what? Get your facts straight, when it
comes to leadership, McCain has far more experience than Obama.

In article <01c89dde-dc2f-43cc-a00c-2d4215c1aaf4
@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, saddlebag@aol.com says...
> On Jul 3, 2:29*am, tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.comm> wrote:
> > In article <df0416cb-da71-44a3-9ef2-
> > d8002b719...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, saddle...@aol.com says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 2, 4:40*pm, BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jul 2, 2:47*pm, thatemailn...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Jul 1, 3:03*pm, billimmel...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Jul 1, 8:59*am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > from FoxNews.com
> >
> > > > > > > BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
> >
> > > > > > > . General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to the
> > > > > > > rank of 4-star general and NATO Supreme Allied Commander
> >
> > > > > > > . General Clark graduated first in his class in 1966 from theUnited States
> > > > > > > Military Academy at West Point
> >
> > > > > > > . He also holds a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics andEconomics from
> > > > > > > Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar
> >
> > > > > > > . General Clark served as the NATO Supreme Allied Commander and
> > > > > > > Commander-in-Chief of the United States European Command. He also commanded
> > > > > > > Operation Allied Force
> >
> > > > > > > . Prior to his NATO appointment, General Clark served as Commander-in-Chief
> > > > > > > of the United States Southern Command in Panama, where he supervised U.S.
> > > > > > > military activities
> >
> > > > > > > . General Clark helped shape worldwide U.S. military strategic planning as
> > > > > > > Director for Strategic Plans and Policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff
> >
> > > > > > > . General Clark has received numerous Military Awards, including the Silver
> > > > > > > Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart
> >
> > > > > > > . General Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom- the nation's
> > > > > > > highest civilian honor
> >
> > > > > > > more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97454,00.html
> > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > Paige PbD
> >
> > > > > > I'll be McCain wishes he had Gen.Clark's credentials.
> >
> > > > > > bill- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > Interesting how someone with that kind of record could become such a
> > > > > little chickenshit in civilian life.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > What is even more interesting is how he can be critical of McCain
> > > > while supporting Obama on points where Obama comes far short of
> > > > McCain's experience and qualifications. *He is critical of McCainfor
> > > > not having major military command experience while Obama has NO
> > > > military experience. *He is critical of McCain because he has never
> > > > supposedly been in an executive position such as govenor but then
> > > > neither has Obama. *He is critical of McCain on foreign policy
> > > > experience when Obama has zero foreign policy experience.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > The Clark quote I heard simply made the point that an aviator in the
> > > military is not someone who makes executive level decisions. *I never
> > > heard him pad Obama's resume. *He simply pointed out that for all the
> > > publicity surrounding McCain's service, the public should be aware
> > > that while it may be honorable, it wasn't command level experience.
> > > IOW, neither has any real experience at this so it's a wash. *No big
> > > deal, neither did Bush, Clinton, Regan etc.
> >
> > Wasn't command level experiance ?
> > Really.
> > Running a squadron isn't a command ?
>
> Maybe, maybe not. But that would be the intellegent way to frame the
> debate instead of all the Faux News blubbering that someone didn't
> properly fawn all over their candidate.

Wesley Clark acted like the pompous ass he always appeared to be back
when he was bombing Serbia.
--

"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
- Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond"

On Jul 3, 9:21*am, "Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
wrote:
> "saddlebag" <saddle...@aol.com> wrote in message

> The Clark quote I heard simply made the point that an aviator in the
> military is not someone who makes executive level decisions. *I never
> heard him pad Obama's resume. *He simply pointed out that for all the
> publicity surrounding McCain's service, the public should be aware
> that while it may be honorable, it wasn't command level experience.
>
> ****answer****
>
> Really? Being a squadron commander isn't "command level experience"?????
>
> Since when?
>
> McCain was CO, which is sort for COMMANDING OFFICER, of a squadron. How
> exactly does a COMMANDING OFFICER have no command level experience?
>
> "The commanding officer (CO) is the officer in command of a military unit..
> Typically, the commanding officer has ultimate authority over the unit, and
> is usually given wide latitude to run the unit as he sees fit, within the
> bounds of military law. In this respect, commanding officers have
> significant responsibilities (for example, the use of force, finances,
> equipment, the Geneva Conventions), duties (to higher authority, mission
> effectiveness, duty of care to personnel) and powers (for example,
> discipline and punishment of personnel within certain limits of military
> law)."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commanding_officer
>
> So to the facts:
>
> McCain has military command level experience
> Obama does not

Nice work. If only more conservatives could think as clearly and make
accurate and verifiable points as concisely without resorting to
acting like a brat in a 6th grade locker room, discussing adult
matters would be a far more interesting and useful endeavor.

saddlebag wrote:

>Nice work. If only more conservatives could think as clearly and make
>accurate and verifiable points as concisely without resorting to
>acting like a brat in a 6th grade locker room, discussing adult
>matters would be a far more interesting and useful endeavor.

Heh. That certainly cuts both ways. For example, there is a community
radio station (KVMR-FM) near where I live that is blatantly liberal. I
like to listen to them on the way to work and hear the "commentators"
they air in the 7:30 to 8:00 segment. It is not at all uncommon to
hear a couple or three occasions of childish name calling. Today was no
different except that all three were in reference to Rush Limbaugh and
the compensation aspect of his latest contract. I honestly cannot recall
more pure examples of sour grapes!

--
================================================== ======================
Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
| two, one and one make one."
mrkesti at hotmail dot com | - The Who, Bargain

billimmelman@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jul 1, 8:59 am, "McGoof is Mr. McGoo" <psy...@WH.net> wrote:
>
>>from FoxNews.com
>>
>>BIO: GENERAL WESLEY CLARK
>>
>>. General Wesley K. Clark spent 34 years in the U.S. Army, rising to the
>>rank of 4-star general