Re: Flu shots contain mercury

Robert W. McAdams <rwm@fambright.com> wrote:
>> "A common myth is that Thimerosal is added to vaccines in 'trace' amounts,"
>> said Mike Wagnitz, who has over 20 years experience evaluating materials for
>> mercury and is employed as a senior chemist with the University of
>> Wisconsin. "The concentration of mercury in a multi-dose flu vaccine vial is
>> 50,000 parts per billion. To put this in perspective, drinking water cannot
>> exceed 2 parts per billion of mercury, and waste is considered hazardous if
>> it has only 200 parts per billion. Is it really safe then to inject pregnant
>> women, newborns, and infants with levels of mercury 250 times higher than
>> what is legally classified as hazardous waste?"
>
> Which would be true if, and only if, you were going to inject each
> person with a volume of vaccine equal to what they consume in drinking
> water. What matters, ultimately, is the AMOUNT of mercury you ingest -
> not its CONCENTRATION!

My place of work has been giving away flu shots, so I asked to take a
look at their label. The amount is 25 mcg of ethyl-mercury per adult
vaccine. If it was methyl-mercury, the amount would be way above
anything you could get from eating copious amounts of predator fish
and such food that normally gets red-flagged.

I did a cursory review, but there seems to be no definite consensus if
a dosage such as this is nothing to worry about. I'm far from being
alarmed about poisoning from getting a flu shot, but since I don't
normally get flu anyway, I'm still trying to decide if I should get
the shot. If it was preservative-free, I'd definitely get it.

Any advice?

There is a lot of info about the mercury laden flu-shots. I would not
put that in my body intentionally no matter what. Most flu shot are
ineffective anyhow. Too many strains.
DZ wrote:
> Robert W. McAdams <rwm@fambright.com> wrote:
> >> "A common myth is that Thimerosal is added to vaccines in 'trace' amounts,"
> >> said Mike Wagnitz, who has over 20 years experience evaluating materials for
> >> mercury and is employed as a senior chemist with the University of
> >> Wisconsin. "The concentration of mercury in a multi-dose flu vaccine vial is
> >> 50,000 parts per billion. To put this in perspective, drinking water cannot
> >> exceed 2 parts per billion of mercury, and waste is considered hazardous if
> >> it has only 200 parts per billion. Is it really safe then to inject pregnant
> >> women, newborns, and infants with levels of mercury 250 times higher than
> >> what is legally classified as hazardous waste?"
> >
> > Which would be true if, and only if, you were going to inject each
> > person with a volume of vaccine equal to what they consume in drinking
> > water. What matters, ultimately, is the AMOUNT of mercury you ingest -
> > not its CONCENTRATION!
>
> My place of work has been giving away flu shots, so I asked to take a
> look at their label. The amount is 25 mcg of ethyl-mercury per adult
> vaccine. If it was methyl-mercury, the amount would be way above
> anything you could get from eating copious amounts of predator fish
> and such food that normally gets red-flagged.
>
> I did a cursory review, but there seems to be no definite consensus if
> a dosage such as this is nothing to worry about. I'm far from being
> alarmed about poisoning from getting a flu shot, but since I don't
> normally get flu anyway, I'm still trying to decide if I should get
> the shot. If it was preservative-free, I'd definitely get it.
>
> Any advice?

DZ wrote:

> Any advice?

I've had the flu twice. I never, ever, ever want to get that again.
I'd eat glass shards if it had a chance of stopping me from getting the
flu. I shove old ladies in walkers out of my way to make sure I get my
flu shot before they run out. Mercury? Ha! I laugh at mercury. Gimme
that damn shot.

If you ever get the flu you'll know what I mean.

Delenn

ephedralover@hotmail.com wrote:

> There is a lot of info about the mercury laden flu-shots. I would not
> put that in my body intentionally no matter what. Most flu shot are
> ineffective anyhow. Too many strains.

Cite?

Delenn

Delenn wrote:
> ephedralover@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > There is a lot of info about the mercury laden flu-shots. I would not
> > put that in my body intentionally no matter what. Most flu shot are
> > ineffective anyhow. Too many strains.
>
> Cite?
>
> Delenn

http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr1031flu.htm

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/01/15/Wo..._flu_vac.shtml

http://www.medicalconsumers.org/page...Effective.html

ephedralover@hotmail.com wrote:

> Delenn wrote:
>
>>ephedralover@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>There is a lot of info about the mercury laden flu-shots. I would not
>>>put that in my body intentionally no matter what. Most flu shot are
>>>ineffective anyhow. Too many strains.
>>
>>Cite?
>>
>>Delenn
>
>
> http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr1031flu.htm

The website itself is a seriously flawed source of info, though the
sources it cites are good. The Cochrane quote is good, but it shows
that the studies were flawed and don't tell you anything, not that
vaccines don't work. (But it does imply that we don't know if vaccines
work. You get to choose what you like to believe.)

> http://www.sptimes.com/2004/01/15/Wo..._flu_vac.shtml

2003-2004 was a fuck up.

> http://www.medicalconsumers.org/page...Effective.html

I never thought it protected me from all influenza. Last year I got a
late season B even though I'd had the flu shot the previous winter. I'm
saying I'm willing to take a shot in the arm to reduce my chances by
25%. You might decide differently. But I've been hit by that train and
I don't plan to stand in the tracks ever again.

And "rarely effective" where "but users die less often" isn't really all
that much of an indictment, overall.

For more reading try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_vaccine and note: I'm getting a shot
that will help again H1N1. Not because I think I'm likely to get H1N1,
but because I will do anything on earth to make sure I never do!

Delenn

On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:34:45 +0000 (UTC), DZ
<25993@2248018678.3190226073.23865.18308.6327> wrote:

>Robert W. McAdams <rwm@fambright.com> wrote:
>>> "A common myth is that Thimerosal is added to vaccines in 'trace' amounts,"
>>> said Mike Wagnitz, who has over 20 years experience evaluating materials for
>>> mercury and is employed as a senior chemist with the University of
>>> Wisconsin. "The concentration of mercury in a multi-dose flu vaccine vial is
>>> 50,000 parts per billion. To put this in perspective, drinking water cannot
>>> exceed 2 parts per billion of mercury, and waste is considered hazardous if
>>> it has only 200 parts per billion. Is it really safe then to inject pregnant
>>> women, newborns, and infants with levels of mercury 250 times higher than
>>> what is legally classified as hazardous waste?"
>>
>> Which would be true if, and only if, you were going to inject each
>> person with a volume of vaccine equal to what they consume in drinking
>> water. What matters, ultimately, is the AMOUNT of mercury you ingest -
>> not its CONCENTRATION!
>
>My place of work has been giving away flu shots, so I asked to take a
>look at their label. The amount is 25 mcg of ethyl-mercury per adult
>vaccine. If it was methyl-mercury, the amount would be way above
>anything you could get from eating copious amounts of predator fish
>and such food that normally gets red-flagged.
>
>I did a cursory review, but there seems to be no definite consensus if
>a dosage such as this is nothing to worry about. I'm far from being
>alarmed about poisoning from getting a flu shot, but since I don't
>normally get flu anyway, I'm still trying to decide if I should get
>the shot. If it was preservative-free, I'd definitely get it.
>
>Any advice?

According to the CDC my age puts me at high risk for complications
from the flu....so therefore I should get the shot. But I won't
because I'm not convinced that these shots are effective.

It comes down to whether or not you think that you can avoid the flu
or minimize its effects by taking certain steps to maintain good
health. That's what I intend to do.

There is a scientific consensus that thimerosal in vaccines doesn't
cause autism, but the controversy persists.

Here's an interesting article on mercury from the National Institute
of Allergy and Infectious Disease:

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosalqa.htm

"DZ" <25993@2248018678.3190226073.23865.18308.6327> wrote in message
news:20058@2161221570.243714439.26117.14670.17830. ..
> Robert W. McAdams <rwm@fambright.com> wrote:
>>> "A common myth is that Thimerosal is added to vaccines in 'trace'
>>> amounts,"
>>> said Mike Wagnitz, who has over 20 years experience evaluating
>>> materials for
>>> mercury and is employed as a senior chemist with the University of
>>> Wisconsin. "The concentration of mercury in a multi-dose flu vaccine
>>> vial is
>>> 50,000 parts per billion. To put this in perspective, drinking water
>>> cannot
>>> exceed 2 parts per billion of mercury, and waste is considered
>>> hazardous if
>>> it has only 200 parts per billion. Is it really safe then to inject
>>> pregnant
>>> women, newborns, and infants with levels of mercury 250 times higher
>>> than
>>> what is legally classified as hazardous waste?"
>>
>> Which would be true if, and only if, you were going to inject each
>> person with a volume of vaccine equal to what they consume in
>> drinking
>> water. What matters, ultimately, is the AMOUNT of mercury you
>> ingest -
>> not its CONCENTRATION!
>
> My place of work has been giving away flu shots, so I asked to take a
> look at their label. The amount is 25 mcg of ethyl-mercury per adult
> vaccine. If it was methyl-mercury, the amount would be way above
> anything you could get from eating copious amounts of predator fish
> and such food that normally gets red-flagged.
>
> I did a cursory review, but there seems to be no definite consensus if
> a dosage such as this is nothing to worry about. I'm far from being
> alarmed about poisoning from getting a flu shot, but since I don't
> normally get flu anyway, I'm still trying to decide if I should get
> the shot. If it was preservative-free, I'd definitely get it.
>
> Any advice?

Here's one more story - my doctor and my kids' doctor both said that the
flu shot is now _not_ recommended to people who have an adverse reaction
to it. That's me. I fee like s#$% for weeks after getting the shot
every year, so this year I'm not getting it, although my wife and kids
are. I'm supposedly high-risk because I had a bad case of pneumonia a
few years ago.

Nothing about mercury in my story but, hey, this is mfw, right?

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

gedaloda@thisguy.com wrote:
> DZ wrote:
>>My place of work has been giving away flu shots, so I asked to take a
>>look at their label. The amount is 25 mcg of ethyl-mercury per adult
>>vaccine. If it was methyl-mercury, the amount would be way above
>>anything you could get from eating copious amounts of predator fish
>>and such food that normally gets red-flagged.
>>
>>I did a cursory review, but there seems to be no definite consensus if
>>a dosage such as this is nothing to worry about. I'm far from being
>>alarmed about poisoning from getting a flu shot, but since I don't
>>normally get flu anyway, I'm still trying to decide if I should get
>>the shot. If it was preservative-free, I'd definitely get it.
>>
>>Any advice?
>
> According to the CDC my age puts me at high risk for complications
> from the flu....so therefore I should get the shot. But I won't
> because I'm not convinced that these shots are effective.
> It comes down to whether or not you think that you can avoid the flu
> or minimize its effects by taking certain steps to maintain good
> health. That's what I intend to do.
> There is a scientific consensus that thimerosal in vaccines doesn't
> cause autism, but the controversy persists.

I'm no longer at risk of developing autism, since I'm older
than 3.

> Here's an interesting article on mercury from the National Institute
> of Allergy and Infectious Disease:
> http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosalqa.htm

So in summary, ethyl-mercury has lower binding properties and thus
lower potential for accumulation in tissues than methyl-mercury.

That's good, only that the brain seems to be an exception. As the
article says, ethyl-mercury exposure leaves more deposits of inorganic
mercury in the brain. If I keep doing flu shots over the years, that
may start interfering with pull-ups.

DZ <18453@2231230281.175321707.6181.11978.24730> wrote:
>gedaloda@thisguy.com wrote:
>> DZ wrote:
>>>My place of work has been giving away flu shots, so I asked to take a
>>>look at their label. The amount is 25 mcg of ethyl-mercury per adult
>>>vaccine. If it was methyl-mercury, the amount would be way above
>>>anything you could get from eating copious amounts of predator fish
>>>and such food that normally gets red-flagged.
>>>
>>>I did a cursory review, but there seems to be no definite consensus if
>>>a dosage such as this is nothing to worry about. I'm far from being
>>>alarmed about poisoning from getting a flu shot, but since I don't
>>>normally get flu anyway, I'm still trying to decide if I should get
>>>the shot. If it was preservative-free, I'd definitely get it.
>>>
>>>Any advice?
>>
>> According to the CDC my age puts me at high risk for complications
>> from the flu....so therefore I should get the shot. But I won't
>> because I'm not convinced that these shots are effective.
>> It comes down to whether or not you think that you can avoid the flu
>> or minimize its effects by taking certain steps to maintain good
>> health. That's what I intend to do.
>> There is a scientific consensus that thimerosal in vaccines doesn't
>> cause autism, but the controversy persists.
>
>I'm no longer at risk of developing autism, since I'm older
>than 3.
>
>> Here's an interesting article on mercury from the National Institute
>> of Allergy and Infectious Disease:
>> http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosalqa.htm
>
>So in summary, ethyl-mercury has lower binding properties and thus
>lower potential for accumulation in tissues than methyl-mercury.
>
>That's good, only that the brain seems to be an exception. As the
>article says, ethyl-mercury exposure leaves more deposits of inorganic
>mercury in the brain. If I keep doing flu shots over the years, that
>may start interfering with pull-ups.

Aw, hell, when I was a kid, we used to play with mercury with our bare
hands. Of course, only the kids like Curt would actually eat the
stuff. Anything for attention, y'know.

JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> DZ wrote:
>> gedaloda@thisguy.com wrote:
>>> DZ wrote:
>>>>My place of work has been giving away flu shots, so I asked to take a
>>>>look at their label. The amount is 25 mcg of ethyl-mercury per adult
>>>>vaccine. If it was methyl-mercury, the amount would be way above
>>>>anything you could get from eating copious amounts of predator fish
>>>>and such food that normally gets red-flagged.
>>>>
>>>>I did a cursory review, but there seems to be no definite consensus if
>>>>a dosage such as this is nothing to worry about. I'm far from being
>>>>alarmed about poisoning from getting a flu shot, but since I don't
>>>>normally get flu anyway, I'm still trying to decide if I should get
>>>>the shot. If it was preservative-free, I'd definitely get it.
>>>>
>>>>Any advice?
>>>
>>> According to the CDC my age puts me at high risk for complications
>>> from the flu....so therefore I should get the shot. But I won't
>>> because I'm not convinced that these shots are effective.
>>> It comes down to whether or not you think that you can avoid the flu
>>> or minimize its effects by taking certain steps to maintain good
>>> health. That's what I intend to do.
>>> There is a scientific consensus that thimerosal in vaccines doesn't
>>> cause autism, but the controversy persists.
>>
>>I'm no longer at risk of developing autism, since I'm older
>>than 3.
>>
>>> Here's an interesting article on mercury from the National Institute
>>> of Allergy and Infectious Disease:
>>> http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosalqa.htm
>>
>>So in summary, ethyl-mercury has lower binding properties and thus
>>lower potential for accumulation in tissues than methyl-mercury.
>>
>>That's good, only that the brain seems to be an exception. As the
>>article says, ethyl-mercury exposure leaves more deposits of inorganic
>>mercury in the brain. If I keep doing flu shots over the years, that
>>may start interfering with pull-ups.
>
> Aw, hell, when I was a kid, we used to play with mercury with our bare
> hands. Of course, only the kids like Curt would actually eat the
> stuff. Anything for attention, y'know.

I would probably eat mercury from thermometers as a kid, but I knew
from the Russian history lessons that one can easily become addicted:

"Ivan [the Terrible] also became addicted to the ingestion of mercury,
which he kept bubbling in small pots in his room for his consumption."

http://novaonline.nvcc.edu/eli/evans...s/IvanCTE.html

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:10:39 -0500, Delenn <Delenn@whoever.com> wrote
in misc.fitness.weights:

>DZ wrote:
>
>> Any advice?
>
>I've had the flu twice. I never, ever, ever want to get that again.
>I'd eat glass shards if it had a chance of stopping me from getting the
>flu. I shove old ladies in walkers out of my way to make sure I get my
>flu shot before they run out. Mercury? Ha! I laugh at mercury. Gimme
>that damn shot.
>
>If you ever get the flu you'll know what I mean.
>
You've only had the flu twice? Anyhoo, I got my first flu shot this
year. I asked the nurse while she was fondling my "beautiful deltoid"
if it was okay to bench that evening. She said benching would be the
best thing for it. I thought I'd pass that advice along.

John Hanson wrote:

> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:10:39 -0500, Delenn <Delenn@whoever.com> wrote
> in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>
>>DZ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Any advice?
>>
>>I've had the flu twice. I never, ever, ever want to get that again.
>>I'd eat glass shards if it had a chance of stopping me from getting the
>>flu. I shove old ladies in walkers out of my way to make sure I get my
>>flu shot before they run out. Mercury? Ha! I laugh at mercury. Gimme
>>that damn shot.
>>
>>If you ever get the flu you'll know what I mean.
>>
>
> You've only had the flu twice? Anyhoo, I got my first flu shot this
> year. I asked the nurse while she was fondling my "beautiful deltoid"
> if it was okay to bench that evening. She said benching would be the
> best thing for it. I thought I'd pass that advice along.

Actually, I did go bench afterwards. My arm was a bit sore the next
day, but nothing worse than DOMS might be.

And, yes, I've only had the flu twice. I've certainly had upper
respiratory viruses more often than that, but influenza is NOT the cold.
You know it's not the cold because the cold never makes you think
there's a realistic probability that you're going to die. The flu
leaves me shaking and shivering with temperatures over 103 for a week to
ten days, with weeks of recovery time needed afterwards. And if you
happen to have viral-triggered asthma like I do, well, you get the added
attraction of having your lungs shut down.

FWIW, I discovered last spring how wonderful ephedrine HCl is for
treatment of the wracking rib-splitting coughing spasms that you can get
with the flu. It worked beautifully to stop the spasms. In fact, it's
the only "cough medicine" I've ever seen actually work somewhat (aside
from codeine products.)

Delenn, off to fantasize about your beautiful deltoid

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:42:51 -0500, Delenn <Delenn@whoever.com> wrote
in misc.fitness.weights:

>John Hanson wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:10:39 -0500, Delenn <Delenn@whoever.com> wrote
>> in misc.fitness.weights:
>>
>>
>>>DZ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Any advice?
>>>
>>>I've had the flu twice. I never, ever, ever want to get that again.
>>>I'd eat glass shards if it had a chance of stopping me from getting the
>>>flu. I shove old ladies in walkers out of my way to make sure I get my
>>>flu shot before they run out. Mercury? Ha! I laugh at mercury. Gimme
>>>that damn shot.
>>>
>>>If you ever get the flu you'll know what I mean.
>>>
>>
>> You've only had the flu twice? Anyhoo, I got my first flu shot this
>> year. I asked the nurse while she was fondling my "beautiful deltoid"
>> if it was okay to bench that evening. She said benching would be the
>> best thing for it. I thought I'd pass that advice along.
>
>Actually, I did go bench afterwards. My arm was a bit sore the next
>day, but nothing worse than DOMS might be.
>
>And, yes, I've only had the flu twice. I've certainly had upper
>respiratory viruses more often than that, but influenza is NOT the cold.
> You know it's not the cold because the cold never makes you think
>there's a realistic probability that you're going to die. The flu
>leaves me shaking and shivering with temperatures over 103 for a week to
>ten days, with weeks of recovery time needed afterwards. And if you
>happen to have viral-triggered asthma like I do, well, you get the added
>attraction of having your lungs shut down.

Well, I think you can have varying amounts of sickness with the flu. I
haven't gotten the flu for a while though. I used to get strep throat
really bad as a kid. So bad I couldn't even stand up but I haven't
had it for many years now.

>
>FWIW, I discovered last spring how wonderful ephedrine HCl is for
>treatment of the wracking rib-splitting coughing spasms that you can get
>with the flu. It worked beautifully to stop the spasms. In fact, it's
>the only "cough medicine" I've ever seen actually work somewhat (aside
>from codeine products.)
>
>Delenn, off to fantasize about your beautiful deltoid

Awesome!