Re: New Orleans residents arming themselves

On Mar 23, 8:55 pm, Melanie RockyFord <spoofeddatnos...@RockyFord.not>
wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323/...w_orleans_guns
>
> New Orleans residents arming themselves
> By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer
>
> Sixty-four-year-old Vivian Westerman rode out Hurricane Katrina in her
> 19th-century house. So terrible was the experience that she wanted two
> things before the 2006 season arrived: a backup power source and a gun.
> "I got a 6,000-watt generator and the cutest little Smith & Wesson,
> snub-nose .38 you ever saw," she boasted. "I've never been more
> confident." People across New Orleans are arming themselves - not only
> against the possibility of another storm bringing anarchy, but against
> the violence that has engulfed the metropolitan area in the 19 months
> since Katrina, making New Orleans the nation's murder capital.
>
> The number of permits issued to carry concealed weapons is running
> twice as high as it was before Katrina - this, in a city with only
> about half its pre-storm population of around 450,000. Attendance at
> firearms classes and hours logged at shooting ranges also are up,
> according to the gun industry.
>
> Gun dealers who saw sales shoot up during the chaotic few months after
> Katrina say that sales are still brisk, and that the customers are a
> cross-section
> of the population - doctors, lawyers, bankers, artists, laborers,
> stay-at-home moms.
>
> "People are in fear of their lives. They're looking for ways to feel
> safe again," said Mike Roniger, manager of Gretna Gunworks in
> Jefferson Parish.
>
> Citizens, the tourism industry, police and politicians officials have
> been alarmed by the wave of killings in New Orleans, with 162 in 2006
> and 37 so far this year. A Tulane University study put the city's 2006
> homicide rate at 96 slayings per 100,000 people, the highest in the
> nation.
>
> National Guardsmen and state police are patrolling the streets of New
> Orleans. In neighboring Jefferson Parish, which posted a record 66
> homicides in 2006, the sheriff sent armored vehicles to protect
> high-crime neighborhoods.
>
> In New Orleans, police have accused the district attorney of failing to
> prosecute many suspects. Prosecutors have accused the police of not
> bringing them
> solid cases.
>
> Some people are losing faith in the system to protect them.
>
> Earnest Johnson, a 37-year-old chef who lives in Kenner, bought his
> first gun recently and visits a shooting range regularly. "Things are
> way worse than they used to be," he said. "You have to do something to
> protect yourself."
>
> Kevin Cato, a 41-year-old contractor, bought a .45-caliber handgun for
> protection when he is working in some of the city's still-deserted
> areas. "But it's not much safer at home," Cato said. "The police chased
> a guy through my yard one time with their guns out."
>
> In New Orleans, the number of concealed-carry permits issued jumped
> from 432 in 2003-04 to 832 in 2005-06. In Jefferson Parish, 522
> permits were issued in 2003-04, and 1,362 in 2005-06.
>
> Mike Mayer, owner of Jefferson Indoor Range and Gun Outlet in suburban
> Metairie, said that despite the dropoff in population, sales are up
> about 38 percent overall since Katrina.
>
> Just how many guns are out there is anybody's guess. Gun buyers in
> Louisiana are not required to register their weapon or obtain a
> concealed-carry permit if they keep the gun in their house or car.
>
> In a measure of how dangerous New Orleans is becoming, guns are finding
> their way into criminal hands at an alarming rate. The federal Bureau
> of Alcohol,
> Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "time-to-crime" analysis of the
> interval between the legal sale of a gun and the time it is seized in a
> crime investigation is five years on average around the nation, said
> ATF spokesman Austin
> Banks. In New Orleans, time-to-crime is six months, he said.
>
> This sometimes happens because of "straw purchases," in which a buyer
> obtains a gun for someone not legally eligible to purchase one. Many
> guns also are
> stolen from homes and cars.
>
> While many are buying guns for protection, only two defensive killings
> of criminals by civilians took place in New Orleans in 2006, according
> to police. No charges were filed against the shooters.
>
> Westerman, an artist who lives in the city's Algiers neighborhood, is
> prepared to use deadly force.
>
> "I'm a marksman now. I know what I'm doing," she said. "There are a lot
> of us. The girl next door is a crack shot."
>
> --
> Are private banks printing our money and then loaning it to this
> country and taking all our income tax to pay the interest on it? Free
> video:http://tinyurl.com/snr7b
>
> IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR LIBERTARIANS, YOU'RE ONLY VOTING FOR YOUR
> RULERS! If the government wasn't allowed to initiate force, the vote
> wouldn't be that important. It's only important because they can.http://www.stentorian.com/spectrum.html

All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
armed and learn the basics
of firearms use.

greg

http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News

Check it out.

theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:

> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
> armed and learn the basics
> of firearms use.

I hope someone caps your worthless ass.

<theodoric3@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 23, 8:55 pm, Melanie RockyFord <spoofeddatnos...@RockyFord.not>
> wrote:
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323/...w_orleans_guns
>>
>> New Orleans residents arming themselves
>> By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer
>>
>> Sixty-four-year-old Vivian Westerman rode out Hurricane Katrina in her
>> 19th-century house. So terrible was the experience that she wanted two
>> things before the 2006 season arrived: a backup power source and a gun.
>> "I got a 6,000-watt generator and the cutest little Smith & Wesson,
>> snub-nose .38 you ever saw," she boasted. "I've never been more
>> confident." People across New Orleans are arming themselves - not only
>> against the possibility of another storm bringing anarchy, but against
>> the violence that has engulfed the metropolitan area in the 19 months
>> since Katrina, making New Orleans the nation's murder capital.
>>
>> The number of permits issued to carry concealed weapons is running
>> twice as high as it was before Katrina - this, in a city with only
>> about half its pre-storm population of around 450,000. Attendance at
>> firearms classes and hours logged at shooting ranges also are up,
>> according to the gun industry.
>>
>> Gun dealers who saw sales shoot up during the chaotic few months after
>> Katrina say that sales are still brisk, and that the customers are a
>> cross-section
>> of the population - doctors, lawyers, bankers, artists, laborers,
>> stay-at-home moms.
>>
>> "People are in fear of their lives. They're looking for ways to feel
>> safe again," said Mike Roniger, manager of Gretna Gunworks in
>> Jefferson Parish.
>>
>> Citizens, the tourism industry, police and politicians officials have
>> been alarmed by the wave of killings in New Orleans, with 162 in 2006
>> and 37 so far this year. A Tulane University study put the city's 2006
>> homicide rate at 96 slayings per 100,000 people, the highest in the
>> nation.
>>
>> National Guardsmen and state police are patrolling the streets of New
>> Orleans. In neighboring Jefferson Parish, which posted a record 66
>> homicides in 2006, the sheriff sent armored vehicles to protect
>> high-crime neighborhoods.
>>
>> In New Orleans, police have accused the district attorney of failing to
>> prosecute many suspects. Prosecutors have accused the police of not
>> bringing them
>> solid cases.
>>
>> Some people are losing faith in the system to protect them.
>>
>> Earnest Johnson, a 37-year-old chef who lives in Kenner, bought his
>> first gun recently and visits a shooting range regularly. "Things are
>> way worse than they used to be," he said. "You have to do something to
>> protect yourself."
>>
>> Kevin Cato, a 41-year-old contractor, bought a .45-caliber handgun for
>> protection when he is working in some of the city's still-deserted
>> areas. "But it's not much safer at home," Cato said. "The police chased
>> a guy through my yard one time with their guns out."
>>
>> In New Orleans, the number of concealed-carry permits issued jumped
>> from 432 in 2003-04 to 832 in 2005-06. In Jefferson Parish, 522
>> permits were issued in 2003-04, and 1,362 in 2005-06.
>>
>> Mike Mayer, owner of Jefferson Indoor Range and Gun Outlet in suburban
>> Metairie, said that despite the dropoff in population, sales are up
>> about 38 percent overall since Katrina.
>>
>> Just how many guns are out there is anybody's guess. Gun buyers in
>> Louisiana are not required to register their weapon or obtain a
>> concealed-carry permit if they keep the gun in their house or car.
>>
>> In a measure of how dangerous New Orleans is becoming, guns are finding
>> their way into criminal hands at an alarming rate. The federal Bureau
>> of Alcohol,
>> Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "time-to-crime" analysis of the
>> interval between the legal sale of a gun and the time it is seized in a
>> crime investigation is five years on average around the nation, said
>> ATF spokesman Austin
>> Banks. In New Orleans, time-to-crime is six months, he said.
>>
>> This sometimes happens because of "straw purchases," in which a buyer
>> obtains a gun for someone not legally eligible to purchase one. Many
>> guns also are
>> stolen from homes and cars.
>>
>> While many are buying guns for protection, only two defensive killings
>> of criminals by civilians took place in New Orleans in 2006, according
>> to police. No charges were filed against the shooters.
>>
>> Westerman, an artist who lives in the city's Algiers neighborhood, is
>> prepared to use deadly force.
>>
>> "I'm a marksman now. I know what I'm doing," she said. "There are a lot
>> of us. The girl next door is a crack shot."
>>
>> --
>> Are private banks printing our money and then loaning it to this
>> country and taking all our income tax to pay the interest on it? Free
>> video:http://tinyurl.com/snr7b
>>
>> IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR LIBERTARIANS, YOU'RE ONLY VOTING FOR YOUR
>> RULERS! If the government wasn't allowed to initiate force, the vote
>> wouldn't be that important. It's only important because they
>> can.http://www.stentorian.com/spectrum.html
>
> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
> armed and learn the basics
> of firearms use.
>
geez greg, i was with you all the way until that last paragraph referring to
"negores" (sic) and hispanics.

it would have been nice to leave it at; "All persons should be
> armed and learn the basics of firearms use" IF THEY CARE TO.

racial hatred does nothing but tear asunder the fragile fabric holding our
nation together. i am white. my wife is black so i think you can tell where
i stand on the issue.

look at it this way, if you must.

the african american and hispanic segments of our communities are here to
stay, man. as a matter of fact, they are growing significantly faster than
the caucasian segment. they ain't going anywhere. you don't have to like
them or accept them. but you better get used to seeing them around.

if you get pissed off every time you see a black or hispanic citizen, your
gonna be pissed off every time you leave your home, unless you relocate to
idaho.

>
> http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News
>
> Check it out.
>
>

sammy

> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
> armed and learn the basics
> of firearms use.
>
> greg
>

geez greg, i was with you all the way until that last paragraph referring to
"negores" (sic) and hispanics.

it would have been nice to leave it at; "All persons should be
> armed and learn the basics of firearms use"... IF THEY CARE TO.

racial hatred does nothing but weaken the already strained, fragile fabric
holding our
nation together.

remember that horrible day, 9/11?

i was in a supermarket a few hours after it happened. who and why still
hadn't been sorted out. i live in a very mixed neighborhood. the lines were
long in the supermarket that day. maybe people were stocking up for some
sort of siege, i don't know. i bought some extra things i usually would not
have.

anyway. that tragedy had everybody talking to everybody else. race was
unimportant. a common enemy makes for strong allies.the unity, if you will,
brought about by this calamity felt good. it felt strong. it was good to see
disparate societal elements talking to each other, listening to each other.

i fear for you, greg. i fear people like you will eventually end up the
"common enemy," you'll be outnumbered and outgunned. and it could get REALLY
ugly. it ain't just white folks with guns anymore.

sometimes i think certain elements in our government promote racial discord
and disharmony to keep the masses focused on race while were ALL getting
screwed by these certain elements.

i think these elements also may manipulate the media into making
inconsequential stories seem huge. witness poor anna nicole smith. hey, i'm
sorry she OD'd. but what the fuck? how important was her death in the grand
scheme of things? is iraq more important? i think so. but that war took a
backseat to her for days and days in the media.

america is being "dumbed down." look at public schools! sheesh. stupid
people are easily manipulated, aren't they? but hey, baby, we'll have a
nice, illiterate work force who will labor away for low dough. good for
business, i guess.

anyway, look at it the race question this way, if you must.

the african american and hispanic segments of our communities are here to
stay, man. so are many others.

as a matter of fact, the hispanic segment is growing significantly faster
than
both the african american and caucasian segments. and the african american
segment is growing faster than the caucasian.

they ain't going anywhere, man. they aren't going away.

you don't have to like them or accept them. but you better get used to
seeing them around.

if you get pissed off every time you see a black or hispanic citizen, your
gonna be pissed off every time you leave your home.

what a rotten way to live.

sammy

"autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
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> theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:
>
>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>> armed and learn the basics
>> of firearms use.
>
> I hope someone caps your worthless ass.

ah the sweet voice of reason. if he keeps going the way he's going, he
probably will get capped.

it's a joke to a lot of people but i'm not afraid to say it.

ol' rodney king had the right idea!

anyone with half a brain knows in his or her heart that it would be
wonderful if we could all get along.

sammy

sammy wrote:
> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
> news:GDcNh.51002$Jt2.17182@fe04.news.easynews.com. ..
>> theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:
>>
>>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>>> armed and learn the basics
>>> of firearms use.
>> I hope someone caps your worthless ass.
>
> ah the sweet voice of reason. if he keeps going the way he's going, he
> probably will get capped.

Yup.

> it's a joke to a lot of people but i'm not afraid to say it.
>
> ol' rodney king had the right idea!
>
> anyone with half a brain knows in his or her heart that it would be
> wonderful if we could all get along.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King

Recent life

After the riots King was awarded $3.8 million in civil case, and used
some of the money to start a rap label: Alta-Pazz Recording Company.[4]
He would be arrested again on charges of spousal assault in 1999. Then
in 2001 he was ordered to undergo a year of drug treatment after
pleading guilty to 3 counts of being under the influence of PCP and
indecent exposure.[5] On August 27th, 2003 he would be arrested again on
similar charges as his 1991 arrest. King was said to be speeding as he
ran a red light while under the influence of PCP, and failed to yield to
cops. The money King was awarded was used to pay his more than one
million dollars in legal fees, and is now all but gone.[6]

"autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
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> sammy wrote:
>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
>> news:GDcNh.51002$Jt2.17182@fe04.news.easynews.com. ..
>>> theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>>>> armed and learn the basics
>>>> of firearms use.
>>> I hope someone caps your worthless ass.
>>
>> ah the sweet voice of reason. if he keeps going the way he's going, he
>> probably will get capped.
>
> Yup.
>
>> it's a joke to a lot of people but i'm not afraid to say it.
>>
>> ol' rodney king had the right idea!
>>
>> anyone with half a brain knows in his or her heart that it would be
>> wonderful if we could all get along.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
>
> Recent life
>
> After the riots King was awarded $3.8 million in civil case, and used some
> of the money to start a rap label: Alta-Pazz Recording Company.[4] He
> would be arrested again on charges of spousal assault in 1999. Then in
> 2001 he was ordered to undergo a year of drug treatment after pleading
> guilty to 3 counts of being under the influence of PCP and indecent
> exposure.[5] On August 27th, 2003 he would be arrested again on similar
> charges as his 1991 arrest. King was said to be speeding as he ran a red
> light while under the influence of PCP, and failed to yield to cops. The
> money King was awarded was used to pay his more than one million dollars
> in legal fees, and is now all but gone.[6]

i didn't say he was a genius. he ain't.

but he was right about getting along with each other.

sammy wrote:
> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
> news:BteNh.58006$GU2.22315@fe02.news.easynews.com. ..
>> sammy wrote:
>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
>>> news:GDcNh.51002$Jt2.17182@fe04.news.easynews.com. ..
>>>> theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>>>>> armed and learn the basics
>>>>> of firearms use.
>>>> I hope someone caps your worthless ass.
>>> ah the sweet voice of reason. if he keeps going the way he's going, he
>>> probably will get capped.
>> Yup.
>>
>>> it's a joke to a lot of people but i'm not afraid to say it.
>>>
>>> ol' rodney king had the right idea!
>>>
>>> anyone with half a brain knows in his or her heart that it would be
>>> wonderful if we could all get along.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
>>
>> Recent life
>>
>> After the riots King was awarded $3.8 million in civil case, and used some
>> of the money to start a rap label: Alta-Pazz Recording Company.[4] He
>> would be arrested again on charges of spousal assault in 1999. Then in
>> 2001 he was ordered to undergo a year of drug treatment after pleading
>> guilty to 3 counts of being under the influence of PCP and indecent
>> exposure.[5] On August 27th, 2003 he would be arrested again on similar
>> charges as his 1991 arrest. King was said to be speeding as he ran a red
>> light while under the influence of PCP, and failed to yield to cops. The
>> money King was awarded was used to pay his more than one million dollars
>> in legal fees, and is now all but gone.[6]
>
> i didn't say he was a genius. he ain't.
>
> but he was right about getting along with each other.
>
>
He missed one key recurring stumbling block - human nature.

On Mar 24, 9:50 am, theodor...@lycos.com wrote:
> On Mar 23, 8:55 pm, Melanie RockyFord <spoofeddatnos...@RockyFord.not>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323/...w_orleans_guns
>
> > New Orleans residents arming themselves
> > By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer
>
> > Sixty-four-year-old Vivian Westerman rode out Hurricane Katrina in her
> > 19th-century house. So terrible was the experience that she wanted two
> > things before the 2006 season arrived: a backup power source and a gun.
> > "I got a 6,000-watt generator and the cutest little Smith & Wesson,
> > snub-nose .38 you ever saw," she boasted. "I've never been more
> > confident." People across New Orleans are arming themselves - not only
> > against the possibility of another storm bringing anarchy, but against
> > the violence that has engulfed the metropolitan area in the 19 months
> > since Katrina, making New Orleans the nation's murder capital.
>
> > The number of permits issued to carry concealed weapons is running
> > twice as high as it was before Katrina - this, in a city with only
> > about half its pre-storm population of around 450,000. Attendance at
> > firearms classes and hours logged at shooting ranges also are up,
> > according to the gun industry.
>
> > Gun dealers who saw sales shoot up during the chaotic few months after
> > Katrina say that sales are still brisk, and that the customers are a
> > cross-section
> > of the population - doctors, lawyers, bankers, artists, laborers,
> > stay-at-home moms.
>
> > "People are in fear of their lives. They're looking for ways to feel
> > safe again," said Mike Roniger, manager of Gretna Gunworks in
> > Jefferson Parish.
>
> > Citizens, the tourism industry, police and politicians officials have
> > been alarmed by the wave of killings in New Orleans, with 162 in 2006
> > and 37 so far this year. A Tulane University study put the city's 2006
> > homicide rate at 96 slayings per 100,000 people, the highest in the
> > nation.
>
> > National Guardsmen and state police are patrolling the streets of New
> > Orleans. In neighboring Jefferson Parish, which posted a record 66
> > homicides in 2006, the sheriff sent armored vehicles to protect
> > high-crime neighborhoods.
>
> > In New Orleans, police have accused the district attorney of failing to
> > prosecute many suspects. Prosecutors have accused the police of not
> > bringing them
> > solid cases.
>
> > Some people are losing faith in the system to protect them.
>
> > Earnest Johnson, a 37-year-old chef who lives in Kenner, bought his
> > first gun recently and visits a shooting range regularly. "Things are
> > way worse than they used to be," he said. "You have to do something to
> > protect yourself."
>
> > Kevin Cato, a 41-year-old contractor, bought a .45-caliber handgun for
> > protection when he is working in some of the city's still-deserted
> > areas. "But it's not much safer at home," Cato said. "The police chased
> > a guy through my yard one time with their guns out."
>
> > In New Orleans, the number of concealed-carry permits issued jumped
> > from 432 in 2003-04 to 832 in 2005-06. In Jefferson Parish, 522
> > permits were issued in 2003-04, and 1,362 in 2005-06.
>
> > Mike Mayer, owner of Jefferson Indoor Range and Gun Outlet in suburban
> > Metairie, said that despite the dropoff in population, sales are up
> > about 38 percent overall since Katrina.
>
> > Just how many guns are out there is anybody's guess. Gun buyers in
> > Louisiana are not required to register their weapon or obtain a
> > concealed-carry permit if they keep the gun in their house or car.
>
> > In a measure of how dangerous New Orleans is becoming, guns are finding
> > their way into criminal hands at an alarming rate. The federal Bureau
> > of Alcohol,
> > Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "time-to-crime" analysis of the
> > interval between the legal sale of a gun and the time it is seized in a
> > crime investigation is five years on average around the nation, said
> > ATF spokesman Austin
> > Banks. In New Orleans, time-to-crime is six months, he said.
>
> > This sometimes happens because of "straw purchases," in which a buyer
> > obtains a gun for someone not legally eligible to purchase one. Many
> > guns also are
> > stolen from homes and cars.
>
> > While many are buying guns for protection, only two defensive killings
> > of criminals by civilians took place in New Orleans in 2006, according
> > to police. No charges were filed against the shooters.
>
> > Westerman, an artist who lives in the city's Algiers neighborhood, is
> > prepared to use deadly force.
>
> > "I'm a marksman now. I know what I'm doing," she said. "There are a lot
> > of us. The girl next door is a crack shot."
>
> > --
> > Are private banks printing our money and then loaning it to this
> > country and taking all our income tax to pay the interest on it? Free
> > video:http://tinyurl.com/snr7b
>
> > IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR LIBERTARIANS, YOU'RE ONLY VOTING FOR YOUR
> > RULERS! If the government wasn't allowed to initiate force, the vote
> > wouldn't be that important. It's only important because they can.http://www.stentorian.com/spectrum.html
>
> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
> armed and learn the basics
> of firearms use.
>
> greg
>
> http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News
>
> Check it out.

And the Pumps are in Syria !

March 21, 2007

This time it's faulty pumps. In its rush to meet President Bush's
promise to protect New Orleans by the start of the 2006 hurricane
season, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers installed defective flood-
control pumps last year - despite warnings from its own expert that
the equipment would fail during a storm, according to documents The
Associated Press has obtained.

"Let me give you the scenario: You have four months to build something
that nobody has ever built before, and if you don't, the city floods
and the Corps, which already has a black eye, could basically be
dissolved. How many people would put up with a second flooding?" Randy
Persica, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' resident engineer for New
Orleans' three major drainage canals, told The Associated Press.

In its rush to meet President George W. Bush's promise to protect New
Orleans by the start of the 2006 hurricane season, the Corps installed
defective flood-control pumps last year - despite warnings from its
own expert that the equipment would fail during a storm, according to
documents AP obtained earlier this month.

"Misgivings" about the pumps were chronicled in a May 2006 memo
provided to the AP by Matt McBride, a mechanical engineer and flooded-
out Hurricane Katrina victim who has been closely watching the
rebuilding of the city's flood defenses. The memo, which details many
of the mechanical problems and criticizes the testing procedures used,
was written by a Corps mechanical engineer overseeing quality
assurance at a site in Florida.

About a dozen of the 34 pumps on order were already in place in New
Orleans when Maria Garzino wrote her report. In her memo, Garzino told
corps officials that the equipment being installed was defective,
further warning that the pumps would break down "should they be tasked
to run, under normal use, as would be required in the event of a
hurricane," notes AP.

The pumps, 60 inches in diameter and capable of moving 200 cubic feet
of water per second, are run by pressurized hydraulic oil. The
supercharged oil cranks up a hydraulic motor, which in turn spins
water-moving propellers. The pumps failed less-strenuous testing than
the original contract called for, according to the memo. Originally,
each of the 34 pumps was to be "load tested" - made to pump water -
but that requirement for all the pumps was dropped, the memo said. Of
eight pumps that were load tested, one was turned on for a few minutes
and another was run at one-third of operating pressure, the memo said.
Three of the other load-tested pumps "experienced catastrophic
failure," Garzino wrote.

"sammy" <sammy@toast> wrote:
>"autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote:
>> sammy wrote:
>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote:
>>>> theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>>>>> armed and learn the basics
>>>>> of firearms use.
>>>> I hope someone caps your worthless ass.
>>>
>>> ah the sweet voice of reason. if he keeps going the way he's going, he
>>> probably will get capped.
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>>> it's a joke to a lot of people but i'm not afraid to say it.
>>>
>>> ol' rodney king had the right idea!
>>>
>>> anyone with half a brain knows in his or her heart that it would be
>>> wonderful if we could all get along.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
>>
>> Recent life
>>
>> After the riots King was awarded $3.8 million in civil case, and used some
>> of the money to start a rap label: Alta-Pazz Recording Company.[4] He
>> would be arrested again on charges of spousal assault in 1999. Then in
>> 2001 he was ordered to undergo a year of drug treatment after pleading
>> guilty to 3 counts of being under the influence of PCP and indecent
>> exposure.[5] On August 27th, 2003 he would be arrested again on similar
>> charges as his 1991 arrest. King was said to be speeding as he ran a red
>> light while under the influence of PCP, and failed to yield to cops. The
>> money King was awarded was used to pay his more than one million dollars
>> in legal fees, and is now all but gone.[6]
>
>i didn't say he was a genius. he ain't.
>
> but he was right about getting along with each other.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
news:7k6b03pjc6u0ni3cqq4frcru1lqtf2b102@4ax.com...
> "sammy" <sammy@toast> wrote:
>>"autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote:
>>> sammy wrote:
>>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote:
>>>>> theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>>>>>> armed and learn the basics
>>>>>> of firearms use.
>>>>> I hope someone caps your worthless ass.
>>>>
>>>> ah the sweet voice of reason. if he keeps going the way he's going, he
>>>> probably will get capped.
>>>
>>> Yup.
>>>
>>>> it's a joke to a lot of people but i'm not afraid to say it.
>>>>
>>>> ol' rodney king had the right idea!
>>>>
>>>> anyone with half a brain knows in his or her heart that it would be
>>>> wonderful if we could all get along.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
>>>
>>> Recent life
>>>
>>> After the riots King was awarded $3.8 million in civil case, and used
>>> some
>>> of the money to start a rap label: Alta-Pazz Recording Company.[4] He
>>> would be arrested again on charges of spousal assault in 1999. Then in
>>> 2001 he was ordered to undergo a year of drug treatment after pleading
>>> guilty to 3 counts of being under the influence of PCP and indecent
>>> exposure.[5] On August 27th, 2003 he would be arrested again on similar
>>> charges as his 1991 arrest. King was said to be speeding as he ran a red
>>> light while under the influence of PCP, and failed to yield to cops. The
>>> money King was awarded was used to pay his more than one million dollars
>>> in legal fees, and is now all but gone.[6]
>>
>>i didn't say he was a genius. he ain't.
>>
>> but he was right about getting along with each other.
>
> Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

i agree. hey, he's a minor leaguer, but with that statement he hit one right
out of the park.

sure, in the final analysis, it was more of a lament, than advice. he didn't
offer any solution. guess he was asking us to imagine what it could be like
if we all got along.

hey, "Food for Thought," by Rodney King would be a very small book. but it
would be great if everyone read it just to plant that thought.

sammy

"autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
news:bDfNh.71067$rN.3332@fe09.news.easynews.com...
> sammy wrote:
>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
>> news:BteNh.58006$GU2.22315@fe02.news.easynews.com. ..
>>> sammy wrote:
>>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
>>>> news:GDcNh.51002$Jt2.17182@fe04.news.easynews.com. ..
>>>>> theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>>>>>> armed and learn the basics
>>>>>> of firearms use.
>>>>> I hope someone caps your worthless ass.
>>>> ah the sweet voice of reason. if he keeps going the way he's going, he
>>>> probably will get capped.
>>> Yup.
>>>
>>>> it's a joke to a lot of people but i'm not afraid to say it.
>>>>
>>>> ol' rodney king had the right idea!
>>>>
>>>> anyone with half a brain knows in his or her heart that it would be
>>>> wonderful if we could all get along.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
>>>
>>> Recent life
>>>
>>> After the riots King was awarded $3.8 million in civil case, and used
>>> some of the money to start a rap label: Alta-Pazz Recording Company.[4]
>>> He would be arrested again on charges of spousal assault in 1999. Then
>>> in 2001 he was ordered to undergo a year of drug treatment after
>>> pleading guilty to 3 counts of being under the influence of PCP and
>>> indecent exposure.[5] On August 27th, 2003 he would be arrested again on
>>> similar charges as his 1991 arrest. King was said to be speeding as he
>>> ran a red light while under the influence of PCP, and failed to yield to
>>> cops. The money King was awarded was used to pay his more than one
>>> million dollars in legal fees, and is now all but gone.[6]
>>
>> i didn't say he was a genius. he ain't.
>>
>> but he was right about getting along with each other.
>>
>>
> He missed one key recurring stumbling block - human nature.

true enough. but sometimes i think some o' them ol' "powers that be" play on
human nature to keep us plebians at each other's throats. keeps the heat of
them.

sammy wrote:
> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
> news:bDfNh.71067$rN.3332@fe09.news.easynews.com...
>> sammy wrote:
>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
>>> news:BteNh.58006$GU2.22315@fe02.news.easynews.com. ..
>>>> sammy wrote:
>>>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
>>>>> news:GDcNh.51002$Jt2.17182@fe04.news.easynews.com. ..
>>>>>> theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>>>>>>> armed and learn the basics
>>>>>>> of firearms use.
>>>>>> I hope someone caps your worthless ass.
>>>>> ah the sweet voice of reason. if he keeps going the way he's going, he
>>>>> probably will get capped.
>>>> Yup.
>>>>
>>>>> it's a joke to a lot of people but i'm not afraid to say it.
>>>>>
>>>>> ol' rodney king had the right idea!
>>>>>
>>>>> anyone with half a brain knows in his or her heart that it would be
>>>>> wonderful if we could all get along.
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
>>>>
>>>> Recent life
>>>>
>>>> After the riots King was awarded $3.8 million in civil case, and used
>>>> some of the money to start a rap label: Alta-Pazz Recording Company.[4]
>>>> He would be arrested again on charges of spousal assault in 1999. Then
>>>> in 2001 he was ordered to undergo a year of drug treatment after
>>>> pleading guilty to 3 counts of being under the influence of PCP and
>>>> indecent exposure.[5] On August 27th, 2003 he would be arrested again on
>>>> similar charges as his 1991 arrest. King was said to be speeding as he
>>>> ran a red light while under the influence of PCP, and failed to yield to
>>>> cops. The money King was awarded was used to pay his more than one
>>>> million dollars in legal fees, and is now all but gone.[6]
>>> i didn't say he was a genius. he ain't.
>>>
>>> but he was right about getting along with each other.
>>>
>>>
>> He missed one key recurring stumbling block - human nature.
>
> true enough. but sometimes i think some o' them ol' "powers that be" play on
> human nature to keep us plebians at each other's throats. keeps the heat of
> them.
>
>
Cynical denial.

"JG" <jgrove24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174771361.328847.38000@y80g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
> On Mar 24, 9:50 am, theodor...@lycos.com wrote:
>> On Mar 23, 8:55 pm, Melanie RockyFord <spoofeddatnos...@RockyFord.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323/...w_orleans_guns
>>
>> > New Orleans residents arming themselves
>> > By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer
>>
>> > Sixty-four-year-old Vivian Westerman rode out Hurricane Katrina in her
>> > 19th-century house. So terrible was the experience that she wanted two
>> > things before the 2006 season arrived: a backup power source and a gun.
>> > "I got a 6,000-watt generator and the cutest little Smith & Wesson,
>> > snub-nose .38 you ever saw," she boasted. "I've never been more
>> > confident." People across New Orleans are arming themselves - not only
>> > against the possibility of another storm bringing anarchy, but against
>> > the violence that has engulfed the metropolitan area in the 19 months
>> > since Katrina, making New Orleans the nation's murder capital.
>>
>> > The number of permits issued to carry concealed weapons is running
>> > twice as high as it was before Katrina - this, in a city with only
>> > about half its pre-storm population of around 450,000. Attendance at
>> > firearms classes and hours logged at shooting ranges also are up,
>> > according to the gun industry.
>>
>> > Gun dealers who saw sales shoot up during the chaotic few months after
>> > Katrina say that sales are still brisk, and that the customers are a
>> > cross-section
>> > of the population - doctors, lawyers, bankers, artists, laborers,
>> > stay-at-home moms.
>>
>> > "People are in fear of their lives. They're looking for ways to feel
>> > safe again," said Mike Roniger, manager of Gretna Gunworks in
>> > Jefferson Parish.
>>
>> > Citizens, the tourism industry, police and politicians officials have
>> > been alarmed by the wave of killings in New Orleans, with 162 in 2006
>> > and 37 so far this year. A Tulane University study put the city's 2006
>> > homicide rate at 96 slayings per 100,000 people, the highest in the
>> > nation.
>>
>> > National Guardsmen and state police are patrolling the streets of New
>> > Orleans. In neighboring Jefferson Parish, which posted a record 66
>> > homicides in 2006, the sheriff sent armored vehicles to protect
>> > high-crime neighborhoods.
>>
>> > In New Orleans, police have accused the district attorney of failing to
>> > prosecute many suspects. Prosecutors have accused the police of not
>> > bringing them
>> > solid cases.
>>
>> > Some people are losing faith in the system to protect them.
>>
>> > Earnest Johnson, a 37-year-old chef who lives in Kenner, bought his
>> > first gun recently and visits a shooting range regularly. "Things are
>> > way worse than they used to be," he said. "You have to do something to
>> > protect yourself."
>>
>> > Kevin Cato, a 41-year-old contractor, bought a .45-caliber handgun for
>> > protection when he is working in some of the city's still-deserted
>> > areas. "But it's not much safer at home," Cato said. "The police chased
>> > a guy through my yard one time with their guns out."
>>
>> > In New Orleans, the number of concealed-carry permits issued jumped
>> > from 432 in 2003-04 to 832 in 2005-06. In Jefferson Parish, 522
>> > permits were issued in 2003-04, and 1,362 in 2005-06.
>>
>> > Mike Mayer, owner of Jefferson Indoor Range and Gun Outlet in suburban
>> > Metairie, said that despite the dropoff in population, sales are up
>> > about 38 percent overall since Katrina.
>>
>> > Just how many guns are out there is anybody's guess. Gun buyers in
>> > Louisiana are not required to register their weapon or obtain a
>> > concealed-carry permit if they keep the gun in their house or car.
>>
>> > In a measure of how dangerous New Orleans is becoming, guns are finding
>> > their way into criminal hands at an alarming rate. The federal Bureau
>> > of Alcohol,
>> > Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "time-to-crime" analysis of the
>> > interval between the legal sale of a gun and the time it is seized in a
>> > crime investigation is five years on average around the nation, said
>> > ATF spokesman Austin
>> > Banks. In New Orleans, time-to-crime is six months, he said.
>>
>> > This sometimes happens because of "straw purchases," in which a buyer
>> > obtains a gun for someone not legally eligible to purchase one. Many
>> > guns also are
>> > stolen from homes and cars.
>>
>> > While many are buying guns for protection, only two defensive killings
>> > of criminals by civilians took place in New Orleans in 2006, according
>> > to police. No charges were filed against the shooters.
>>
>> > Westerman, an artist who lives in the city's Algiers neighborhood, is
>> > prepared to use deadly force.
>>
>> > "I'm a marksman now. I know what I'm doing," she said. "There are a lot
>> > of us. The girl next door is a crack shot."
>>
>> > --
>> > Are private banks printing our money and then loaning it to this
>> > country and taking all our income tax to pay the interest on it? Free
>> > video:http://tinyurl.com/snr7b
>>
>> > IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR LIBERTARIANS, YOU'RE ONLY VOTING FOR YOUR
>> > RULERS! If the government wasn't allowed to initiate force, the vote
>> > wouldn't be that important. It's only important because they
>> > can.http://www.stentorian.com/spectrum.html
>>
>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>> armed and learn the basics
>> of firearms use.
>>
>> greg
>>
>> http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News
>>
>> Check it out.
>
> And the Pumps are in Syria !
>
> March 21, 2007
>
> This time it's faulty pumps. In its rush to meet President Bush's
> promise to protect New Orleans by the start of the 2006 hurricane
> season, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers installed defective flood-
> control pumps last year - despite warnings from its own expert that
> the equipment would fail during a storm, according to documents The
> Associated Press has obtained.
>
> "Let me give you the scenario: You have four months to build something
> that nobody has ever built before, and if you don't, the city floods
> and the Corps, which already has a black eye, could basically be
> dissolved. How many people would put up with a second flooding?" Randy
> Persica, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' resident engineer for New
> Orleans' three major drainage canals, told The Associated Press.
>
> In its rush to meet President George W. Bush's promise to protect New
> Orleans by the start of the 2006 hurricane season, the Corps installed
> defective flood-control pumps last year - despite warnings from its
> own expert that the equipment would fail during a storm, according to
> documents AP obtained earlier this month.
>
> "Misgivings" about the pumps were chronicled in a May 2006 memo
> provided to the AP by Matt McBride, a mechanical engineer and flooded-
> out Hurricane Katrina victim who has been closely watching the
> rebuilding of the city's flood defenses. The memo, which details many
> of the mechanical problems and criticizes the testing procedures used,
> was written by a Corps mechanical engineer overseeing quality
> assurance at a site in Florida.
>
> About a dozen of the 34 pumps on order were already in place in New
> Orleans when Maria Garzino wrote her report. In her memo, Garzino told
> corps officials that the equipment being installed was defective,
> further warning that the pumps would break down "should they be tasked
> to run, under normal use, as would be required in the event of a
> hurricane," notes AP.
>
> The pumps, 60 inches in diameter and capable of moving 200 cubic feet
> of water per second, are run by pressurized hydraulic oil. The
> supercharged oil cranks up a hydraulic motor, which in turn spins
> water-moving propellers. The pumps failed less-strenuous testing than
> the original contract called for, according to the memo. Originally,
> each of the 34 pumps was to be "load tested" - made to pump water -
> but that requirement for all the pumps was dropped, the memo said. Of
> eight pumps that were load tested, one was turned on for a few minutes
> and another was run at one-third of operating pressure, the memo said.
> Three of the other load-tested pumps "experienced catastrophic
> failure," Garzino wrote.
>
>

jesus christ! will it never end?

incompetence or a devious, intentional fucking of the people? i lean towards
the latter.

sammy

sammy wrote:
> "JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
> news:7k6b03pjc6u0ni3cqq4frcru1lqtf2b102@4ax.com...
>> "sammy" <sammy@toast> wrote:
>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote:
>>>> sammy wrote:
>>>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote:
>>>>>> theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>>>>>>> armed and learn the basics
>>>>>>> of firearms use.
>>>>>> I hope someone caps your worthless ass.
>>>>> ah the sweet voice of reason. if he keeps going the way he's going, he
>>>>> probably will get capped.
>>>> Yup.
>>>>
>>>>> it's a joke to a lot of people but i'm not afraid to say it.
>>>>>
>>>>> ol' rodney king had the right idea!
>>>>>
>>>>> anyone with half a brain knows in his or her heart that it would be
>>>>> wonderful if we could all get along.
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
>>>>
>>>> Recent life
>>>>
>>>> After the riots King was awarded $3.8 million in civil case, and used
>>>> some
>>>> of the money to start a rap label: Alta-Pazz Recording Company.[4] He
>>>> would be arrested again on charges of spousal assault in 1999. Then in
>>>> 2001 he was ordered to undergo a year of drug treatment after pleading
>>>> guilty to 3 counts of being under the influence of PCP and indecent
>>>> exposure.[5] On August 27th, 2003 he would be arrested again on similar
>>>> charges as his 1991 arrest. King was said to be speeding as he ran a red
>>>> light while under the influence of PCP, and failed to yield to cops. The
>>>> money King was awarded was used to pay his more than one million dollars
>>>> in legal fees, and is now all but gone.[6]
>>> i didn't say he was a genius. he ain't.
>>>
>>> but he was right about getting along with each other.
>> Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>
> i agree. hey, he's a minor leaguer, but with that statement he hit one right
> out of the park.
>
> sure, in the final analysis, it was more of a lament, than advice. he didn't
> offer any solution. guess he was asking us to imagine what it could be like
> if we all got along.
>
> hey, "Food for Thought," by Rodney King would be a very small book. but it
> would be great if everyone read it just to plant that thought.
>
> sammy
>
>
Rotsa ruck, look around these groups, like what ya see?

sammy wrote:
> "JG" <jgrove24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1174771361.328847.38000@y80g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
>> On Mar 24, 9:50 am, theodor...@lycos.com wrote:
>>> On Mar 23, 8:55 pm, Melanie RockyFord <spoofeddatnos...@RockyFord.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323/...w_orleans_guns
>>>> New Orleans residents arming themselves
>>>> By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer
>>>> Sixty-four-year-old Vivian Westerman rode out Hurricane Katrina in her
>>>> 19th-century house. So terrible was the experience that she wanted two
>>>> things before the 2006 season arrived: a backup power source and a gun.
>>>> "I got a 6,000-watt generator and the cutest little Smith & Wesson,
>>>> snub-nose .38 you ever saw," she boasted. "I've never been more
>>>> confident." People across New Orleans are arming themselves - not only
>>>> against the possibility of another storm bringing anarchy, but against
>>>> the violence that has engulfed the metropolitan area in the 19 months
>>>> since Katrina, making New Orleans the nation's murder capital.
>>>> The number of permits issued to carry concealed weapons is running
>>>> twice as high as it was before Katrina - this, in a city with only
>>>> about half its pre-storm population of around 450,000. Attendance at
>>>> firearms classes and hours logged at shooting ranges also are up,
>>>> according to the gun industry.
>>>> Gun dealers who saw sales shoot up during the chaotic few months after
>>>> Katrina say that sales are still brisk, and that the customers are a
>>>> cross-section
>>>> of the population - doctors, lawyers, bankers, artists, laborers,
>>>> stay-at-home moms.
>>>> "People are in fear of their lives. They're looking for ways to feel
>>>> safe again," said Mike Roniger, manager of Gretna Gunworks in
>>>> Jefferson Parish.
>>>> Citizens, the tourism industry, police and politicians officials have
>>>> been alarmed by the wave of killings in New Orleans, with 162 in 2006
>>>> and 37 so far this year. A Tulane University study put the city's 2006
>>>> homicide rate at 96 slayings per 100,000 people, the highest in the
>>>> nation.
>>>> National Guardsmen and state police are patrolling the streets of New
>>>> Orleans. In neighboring Jefferson Parish, which posted a record 66
>>>> homicides in 2006, the sheriff sent armored vehicles to protect
>>>> high-crime neighborhoods.
>>>> In New Orleans, police have accused the district attorney of failing to
>>>> prosecute many suspects. Prosecutors have accused the police of not
>>>> bringing them
>>>> solid cases.
>>>> Some people are losing faith in the system to protect them.
>>>> Earnest Johnson, a 37-year-old chef who lives in Kenner, bought his
>>>> first gun recently and visits a shooting range regularly. "Things are
>>>> way worse than they used to be," he said. "You have to do something to
>>>> protect yourself."
>>>> Kevin Cato, a 41-year-old contractor, bought a .45-caliber handgun for
>>>> protection when he is working in some of the city's still-deserted
>>>> areas. "But it's not much safer at home," Cato said. "The police chased
>>>> a guy through my yard one time with their guns out."
>>>> In New Orleans, the number of concealed-carry permits issued jumped
>>>> from 432 in 2003-04 to 832 in 2005-06. In Jefferson Parish, 522
>>>> permits were issued in 2003-04, and 1,362 in 2005-06.
>>>> Mike Mayer, owner of Jefferson Indoor Range and Gun Outlet in suburban
>>>> Metairie, said that despite the dropoff in population, sales are up
>>>> about 38 percent overall since Katrina.
>>>> Just how many guns are out there is anybody's guess. Gun buyers in
>>>> Louisiana are not required to register their weapon or obtain a
>>>> concealed-carry permit if they keep the gun in their house or car.
>>>> In a measure of how dangerous New Orleans is becoming, guns are finding
>>>> their way into criminal hands at an alarming rate. The federal Bureau
>>>> of Alcohol,
>>>> Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "time-to-crime" analysis of the
>>>> interval between the legal sale of a gun and the time it is seized in a
>>>> crime investigation is five years on average around the nation, said
>>>> ATF spokesman Austin
>>>> Banks. In New Orleans, time-to-crime is six months, he said.
>>>> This sometimes happens because of "straw purchases," in which a buyer
>>>> obtains a gun for someone not legally eligible to purchase one. Many
>>>> guns also are
>>>> stolen from homes and cars.
>>>> While many are buying guns for protection, only two defensive killings
>>>> of criminals by civilians took place in New Orleans in 2006, according
>>>> to police. No charges were filed against the shooters.
>>>> Westerman, an artist who lives in the city's Algiers neighborhood, is
>>>> prepared to use deadly force.
>>>> "I'm a marksman now. I know what I'm doing," she said. "There are a lot
>>>> of us. The girl next door is a crack shot."
>>>> --
>>>> Are private banks printing our money and then loaning it to this
>>>> country and taking all our income tax to pay the interest on it? Free
>>>> video:http://tinyurl.com/snr7b
>>>> IF YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR LIBERTARIANS, YOU'RE ONLY VOTING FOR YOUR
>>>> RULERS! If the government wasn't allowed to initiate force, the vote
>>>> wouldn't be that important. It's only important because they
>>>> can.http://www.stentorian.com/spectrum.html
>>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>>> armed and learn the basics
>>> of firearms use.
>>>
>>> greg
>>>
>>> http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News
>>>
>>> Check it out.
>> And the Pumps are in Syria !
>>
>> March 21, 2007
>>
>> This time it's faulty pumps. In its rush to meet President Bush's
>> promise to protect New Orleans by the start of the 2006 hurricane
>> season, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers installed defective flood-
>> control pumps last year - despite warnings from its own expert that
>> the equipment would fail during a storm, according to documents The
>> Associated Press has obtained.
>>
>> "Let me give you the scenario: You have four months to build something
>> that nobody has ever built before, and if you don't, the city floods
>> and the Corps, which already has a black eye, could basically be
>> dissolved. How many people would put up with a second flooding?" Randy
>> Persica, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' resident engineer for New
>> Orleans' three major drainage canals, told The Associated Press.
>>
>> In its rush to meet President George W. Bush's promise to protect New
>> Orleans by the start of the 2006 hurricane season, the Corps installed
>> defective flood-control pumps last year - despite warnings from its
>> own expert that the equipment would fail during a storm, according to
>> documents AP obtained earlier this month.
>>
>> "Misgivings" about the pumps were chronicled in a May 2006 memo
>> provided to the AP by Matt McBride, a mechanical engineer and flooded-
>> out Hurricane Katrina victim who has been closely watching the
>> rebuilding of the city's flood defenses. The memo, which details many
>> of the mechanical problems and criticizes the testing procedures used,
>> was written by a Corps mechanical engineer overseeing quality
>> assurance at a site in Florida.
>>
>> About a dozen of the 34 pumps on order were already in place in New
>> Orleans when Maria Garzino wrote her report. In her memo, Garzino told
>> corps officials that the equipment being installed was defective,
>> further warning that the pumps would break down "should they be tasked
>> to run, under normal use, as would be required in the event of a
>> hurricane," notes AP.
>>
>> The pumps, 60 inches in diameter and capable of moving 200 cubic feet
>> of water per second, are run by pressurized hydraulic oil. The
>> supercharged oil cranks up a hydraulic motor, which in turn spins
>> water-moving propellers. The pumps failed less-strenuous testing than
>> the original contract called for, according to the memo. Originally,
>> each of the 34 pumps was to be "load tested" - made to pump water -
>> but that requirement for all the pumps was dropped, the memo said. Of
>> eight pumps that were load tested, one was turned on for a few minutes
>> and another was run at one-third of operating pressure, the memo said.
>> Three of the other load-tested pumps "experienced catastrophic
>> failure," Garzino wrote.
>>
>>
>
> jesus christ! will it never end?
>
> incompetence or a devious, intentional fucking of the people? i lean towards
> the latter.
>

Come on...sheesh...conspiracy gobbige.

"autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
news:JBhNh.1241$L61.794@fe10.news.easynews.com...
> sammy wrote:
>> "JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
>> news:7k6b03pjc6u0ni3cqq4frcru1lqtf2b102@4ax.com...
>>> "sammy" <sammy@toast> wrote:
>>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote:
>>>>> sammy wrote:
>>>>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote:
>>>>>>> theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>>>>>>>> armed and learn the basics
>>>>>>>> of firearms use.
>>>>>>> I hope someone caps your worthless ass.
>>>>>> ah the sweet voice of reason. if he keeps going the way he's going,
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> probably will get capped.
>>>>> Yup.
>>>>>
>>>>>> it's a joke to a lot of people but i'm not afraid to say it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ol' rodney king had the right idea!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> anyone with half a brain knows in his or her heart that it would be
>>>>>> wonderful if we could all get along.
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
>>>>>
>>>>> Recent life
>>>>>
>>>>> After the riots King was awarded $3.8 million in civil case, and used
>>>>> some
>>>>> of the money to start a rap label: Alta-Pazz Recording Company.[4] He
>>>>> would be arrested again on charges of spousal assault in 1999. Then in
>>>>> 2001 he was ordered to undergo a year of drug treatment after pleading
>>>>> guilty to 3 counts of being under the influence of PCP and indecent
>>>>> exposure.[5] On August 27th, 2003 he would be arrested again on
>>>>> similar
>>>>> charges as his 1991 arrest. King was said to be speeding as he ran a
>>>>> red
>>>>> light while under the influence of PCP, and failed to yield to cops.
>>>>> The
>>>>> money King was awarded was used to pay his more than one million
>>>>> dollars
>>>>> in legal fees, and is now all but gone.[6]
>>>> i didn't say he was a genius. he ain't.
>>>>
>>>> but he was right about getting along with each other.
>>> Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>
>> i agree. hey, he's a minor leaguer, but with that statement he hit one
>> right out of the park.
>>
>> sure, in the final analysis, it was more of a lament, than advice. he
>> didn't offer any solution. guess he was asking us to imagine what it
>> could be like if we all got along.
>>
>> hey, "Food for Thought," by Rodney King would be a very small book. but
>> it would be great if everyone read it just to plant that thought.
>>
>> sammy
> Rotsa ruck, look around these groups, like what ya see?

nope, kinda spooky actually. that's why i carry sometimes.

sammy wrote:
> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote in message
> news:JBhNh.1241$L61.794@fe10.news.easynews.com...
>> sammy wrote:
>>> "JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7k6b03pjc6u0ni3cqq4frcru1lqtf2b102@4ax.com...
>>>> "sammy" <sammy@toast> wrote:
>>>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote:
>>>>>> sammy wrote:
>>>>>>> "autorun" <script@post.zg> wrote:
>>>>>>>> theodoric3@lycos.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All persons living near enclaves of negores or hispanics should be
>>>>>>>>> armed and learn the basics
>>>>>>>>> of firearms use.
>>>>>>>> I hope someone caps your worthless ass.
>>>>>>> ah the sweet voice of reason. if he keeps going the way he's going,
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>> probably will get capped.
>>>>>> Yup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's a joke to a lot of people but i'm not afraid to say it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ol' rodney king had the right idea!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anyone with half a brain knows in his or her heart that it would be
>>>>>>> wonderful if we could all get along.
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recent life
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After the riots King was awarded $3.8 million in civil case, and used
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> of the money to start a rap label: Alta-Pazz Recording Company.[4] He
>>>>>> would be arrested again on charges of spousal assault in 1999. Then in
>>>>>> 2001 he was ordered to undergo a year of drug treatment after pleading
>>>>>> guilty to 3 counts of being under the influence of PCP and indecent
>>>>>> exposure.[5] On August 27th, 2003 he would be arrested again on
>>>>>> similar
>>>>>> charges as his 1991 arrest. King was said to be speeding as he ran a
>>>>>> red
>>>>>> light while under the influence of PCP, and failed to yield to cops.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> money King was awarded was used to pay his more than one million
>>>>>> dollars
>>>>>> in legal fees, and is now all but gone.[6]
>>>>> i didn't say he was a genius. he ain't.
>>>>>
>>>>> but he was right about getting along with each other.