Re: Upper body build of sprinters

This is a thread I started a few days ago on rec.running.
Check out the urls below.
The thread is actually pretty interesting.

TBR is still alive and well, I gather, posting under (at least) Miss Anne
Thrope--sometimes you just gotta give a muhfugguh credit!!
He observes thusly:

> Sprinters build up their upper bodies mostly for symmetry. Gigantic
> thighs, and a weak chest would make them look as goofy as they act.

Too bad this guy is near-pathologic, cuz he's often a hoot.
He's probably not correct, tho, in this case.

My real point in that thread was wondering if the time spent building the
upper body wouldn't be better spent on the lower, given that, well, the legs
are doing the actual running.
But I am assuming, now, that in world class sprinters, the legs are pretty
much maxed out, training-wise, so the next bit of advantage can only come
from the upper body.
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"Sylvan Smyth" <sylvan@islandnet.com> wrote in message
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> Elflord <abuse@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>It's a huge exaggeration to say they look like bodybuilders.
>
> Hmm.
>
> 1990: http://tinyurl.com/yfollm
>
> 1995: http://tinyurl.com/ynycdm
>
> Same guy five years later. Looks like a little buildin's bin goin'
> on.
>

In article <Oi1bh.13$u36.10@newsfe11.lga>,
"Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net>
wrote:

> This is a thread I started a few days ago on rec.running.
> Check out the urls below.
> The thread is actually pretty interesting.
>
> TBR is still alive and well, I gather, posting under (at least) Miss Anne
> Thrope--sometimes you just gotta give a muhfugguh credit!!
> He observes thusly:
>
> > Sprinters build up their upper bodies mostly for symmetry. Gigantic
> > thighs, and a weak chest would make them look as goofy as they act.
>
> Too bad this guy is near-pathologic, cuz he's often a hoot.
> He's probably not correct, tho, in this case.
>
> My real point in that thread was wondering if the time spent building the
> upper body wouldn't be better spent on the lower, given that, well, the legs
> are doing the actual running.
> But I am assuming, now, that in world class sprinters, the legs are pretty
> much maxed out, training-wise, so the next bit of advantage can only come
> from the upper body.

Charlie Francis believes in specific upper body work to increase speed.

But for the most part they do little upper body work. The musculature is
partially from the drugs, mostly from the fact they are genetically
gifted and get benefit from the act of sprinting on the upper body.

--
Keith

Yeah, but just how much can sprinting, by itself, develop an upper body?
I think these two photos answer that question, to some degree.
Not that this guy was shabby to begin with.
Aren't they pretty strict about drugs now?
someone in that thread said they lift fairly heavy, and explosively.
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"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <Oi1bh.13$u36.10@newsfe11.lga>,
> "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net>
> wrote:
>
>> This is a thread I started a few days ago on rec.running.
>> Check out the urls below.
>> The thread is actually pretty interesting.
>>
>> TBR is still alive and well, I gather, posting under (at least) Miss Anne
>> Thrope--sometimes you just gotta give a muhfugguh credit!!
>> He observes thusly:
>>
>> > Sprinters build up their upper bodies mostly for symmetry. Gigantic
>> > thighs, and a weak chest would make them look as goofy as they act.
>>
>> Too bad this guy is near-pathologic, cuz he's often a hoot.
>> He's probably not correct, tho, in this case.
>>
>> My real point in that thread was wondering if the time spent building the
>> upper body wouldn't be better spent on the lower, given that, well, the
>> legs
>> are doing the actual running.
>> But I am assuming, now, that in world class sprinters, the legs are
>> pretty
>> much maxed out, training-wise, so the next bit of advantage can only come
>> from the upper body.
>
> Charlie Francis believes in specific upper body work to increase speed.
>
> But for the most part they do little upper body work. The musculature is
> partially from the drugs, mostly from the fact they are genetically
> gifted and get benefit from the act of sprinting on the upper body.
>
> --
> Keith
>

In article <kw1bh.14$u36.8@newsfe11.lga>,
"Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net>
wrote:

> Yeah, but just how much can sprinting, by itself, develop an upper body?
> I think these two photos answer that question, to some degree.
> Not that this guy was shabby to begin with.
> Aren't they pretty strict about drugs now?
> someone in that thread said they lift fairly heavy, and explosively.

Yeah, I expect the cleans and other things have some effect. But they do
actually quite a bit of upper body work when sprinting.

I still don't understand Francis having Ben Johnson bench press and
things like that. Although Francis firmly believes all strength
movements are too slow for the speed of sprinting, so you do strength
for strength and specific work for transfer of strength to speed and
speed/strength. Which I can see.

Anyhow, I do agree with the idea that it may contribute little, but they
have so much time to devote to training they might as well do some upper
body work. 'They', of course, referring to pros or subsidized amateurs.
If I had a serious time constraint I really don't think I'd spend a lot
of time on upper body weight training if I was a sprinter.

--
Keith

Proctologically Violated©® wrote:

> This is a thread I started a few days ago on rec.running.
>
> TBR is still alive and well, I gather, posting under (at least) Miss Anne
> Thrope--sometimes you just gotta give a muhfugguh credit!!


Just to observe that I've corresponded with Ms Thrope in rec.running,
back in '97 or '98.

And her activity in the net seems to go a long way before that, which
can readily explain her little patience with perceived idiocy.

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Hobbes wrote:
> In article <kw1bh.14$u36.8@newsfe11.lga>,
> "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, but just how much can sprinting, by itself, develop an upper
>> body? I think these two photos answer that question, to some degree.
>> Not that this guy was shabby to begin with.
>> Aren't they pretty strict about drugs now?
>> someone in that thread said they lift fairly heavy, and explosively.
>
> Yeah, I expect the cleans and other things have some effect. But they
> do actually quite a bit of upper body work when sprinting.
>
> I still don't understand Francis having Ben Johnson bench press and
> things like that. Although Francis firmly believes all strength
> movements are too slow for the speed of sprinting, so you do strength
> for strength and specific work for transfer of strength to speed and
> speed/strength. Which I can see.
>
> Anyhow, I do agree with the idea that it may contribute little,

Approx. 10% -- weren't you listening during the speed skating thread?

> but
> they have so much time to devote to training they might as well do
> some upper body work. 'They', of course, referring to pros or
> subsidized amateurs. If I had a serious time constraint I really
> don't think I'd spend a lot of time on upper body weight training if
> I was a sprinter.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/hale32.htm

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In article <4t557pF12amlmU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:
> > In article <kw1bh.14$u36.8@newsfe11.lga>,
> > "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, but just how much can sprinting, by itself, develop an upper
> >> body? I think these two photos answer that question, to some degree.
> >> Not that this guy was shabby to begin with.
> >> Aren't they pretty strict about drugs now?
> >> someone in that thread said they lift fairly heavy, and explosively.
> >
> > Yeah, I expect the cleans and other things have some effect. But they
> > do actually quite a bit of upper body work when sprinting.
> >
> > I still don't understand Francis having Ben Johnson bench press and
> > things like that. Although Francis firmly believes all strength
> > movements are too slow for the speed of sprinting, so you do strength
> > for strength and specific work for transfer of strength to speed and
> > speed/strength. Which I can see.
> >
> > Anyhow, I do agree with the idea that it may contribute little,
>
> Approx. 10% -- weren't you listening during the speed skating thread?

Yeah, but you train that 10% by sprinting...

:^)

--
Keith

Hobbes wrote:
> In article <4t557pF12amlmU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>> Hobbes wrote:
>>> In article <kw1bh.14$u36.8@newsfe11.lga>,
>>> "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, but just how much can sprinting, by itself, develop an upper
>>>> body? I think these two photos answer that question, to some
>>>> degree. Not that this guy was shabby to begin with.
>>>> Aren't they pretty strict about drugs now?
>>>> someone in that thread said they lift fairly heavy, and
>>>> explosively.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I expect the cleans and other things have some effect. But
>>> they do actually quite a bit of upper body work when sprinting.
>>>
>>> I still don't understand Francis having Ben Johnson bench press and
>>> things like that. Although Francis firmly believes all strength
>>> movements are too slow for the speed of sprinting, so you do
>>> strength for strength and specific work for transfer of strength to
>>> speed and speed/strength. Which I can see.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, I do agree with the idea that it may contribute little,
>>
>> Approx. 10% -- weren't you listening during the speed skating thread?
>
> Yeah, but you train that 10% by sprinting...
>
> :^)

Nope, it's partly arm drills you can also do resisted arm drives with
dynabands and also over speed training.


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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

In article <4t5flnF12hv37U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:
> > In article <4t557pF12amlmU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >
> >> Hobbes wrote:
> >>> In article <kw1bh.14$u36.8@newsfe11.lga>,
> >>> "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yeah, but just how much can sprinting, by itself, develop an upper
> >>>> body? I think these two photos answer that question, to some
> >>>> degree. Not that this guy was shabby to begin with.
> >>>> Aren't they pretty strict about drugs now?
> >>>> someone in that thread said they lift fairly heavy, and
> >>>> explosively.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, I expect the cleans and other things have some effect. But
> >>> they do actually quite a bit of upper body work when sprinting.
> >>>
> >>> I still don't understand Francis having Ben Johnson bench press and
> >>> things like that. Although Francis firmly believes all strength
> >>> movements are too slow for the speed of sprinting, so you do
> >>> strength for strength and specific work for transfer of strength to
> >>> speed and speed/strength. Which I can see.
> >>>
> >>> Anyhow, I do agree with the idea that it may contribute little,
> >>
> >> Approx. 10% -- weren't you listening during the speed skating thread?
> >
> > Yeah, but you train that 10% by sprinting...
> >
> > :^)
>
> Nope, it's partly arm drills you can also do resisted arm drives with
> dynabands and also over speed training.

Overspeed training? I thought that had been discreditied?

I still stand by my original statement - if my time was limited I
wouldn't do much upper body work if I was a sprinter. I'd sprint.

--
Keith

Hobbes wrote:
> In article <4t5flnF12hv37U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>> Hobbes wrote:
>>> In article <4t557pF12amlmU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>>> In article <kw1bh.14$u36.8@newsfe11.lga>,
>>>>> "Proctologically Violated©®"
>>>>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, but just how much can sprinting, by itself, develop an
>>>>>> upper body? I think these two photos answer that question, to
>>>>>> some degree. Not that this guy was shabby to begin with.
>>>>>> Aren't they pretty strict about drugs now?
>>>>>> someone in that thread said they lift fairly heavy, and
>>>>>> explosively.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I expect the cleans and other things have some effect. But
>>>>> they do actually quite a bit of upper body work when sprinting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still don't understand Francis having Ben Johnson bench press
>>>>> and things like that. Although Francis firmly believes all
>>>>> strength movements are too slow for the speed of sprinting, so
>>>>> you do strength for strength and specific work for transfer of
>>>>> strength to speed and speed/strength. Which I can see.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow, I do agree with the idea that it may contribute little,
>>>>
>>>> Approx. 10% -- weren't you listening during the speed skating
>>>> thread?
>>>
>>> Yeah, but you train that 10% by sprinting...
>>>
>>> :^)
>>
>> Nope, it's partly arm drills you can also do resisted arm drives with
>> dynabands and also over speed training.
>
> Overspeed training? I thought that had been discreditied?

Has it; by whom?

>
> I still stand by my original statement - if my time was limited I
> wouldn't do much upper body work if I was a sprinter. I'd sprint.

Yes, but you very quickly get diminishing returns so you need to limit the
amount of sprinting you actually do, thereby leaving loads of time for all
this other "stuff" !!!



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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

In article <4t5iu7F12ijblU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:
> > In article <4t5flnF12hv37U1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >
> >> Hobbes wrote:
> >>> In article <4t557pF12amlmU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hobbes wrote:
> >>>>> In article <kw1bh.14$u36.8@newsfe11.lga>,
> >>>>> "Proctologically Violated©®"
> >>>>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Yeah, but just how much can sprinting, by itself, develop an
> >>>>>> upper body? I think these two photos answer that question, to
> >>>>>> some degree. Not that this guy was shabby to begin with.
> >>>>>> Aren't they pretty strict about drugs now?
> >>>>>> someone in that thread said they lift fairly heavy, and
> >>>>>> explosively.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, I expect the cleans and other things have some effect. But
> >>>>> they do actually quite a bit of upper body work when sprinting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I still don't understand Francis having Ben Johnson bench press
> >>>>> and things like that. Although Francis firmly believes all
> >>>>> strength movements are too slow for the speed of sprinting, so
> >>>>> you do strength for strength and specific work for transfer of
> >>>>> strength to speed and speed/strength. Which I can see.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyhow, I do agree with the idea that it may contribute little,
> >>>>
> >>>> Approx. 10% -- weren't you listening during the speed skating
> >>>> thread?
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, but you train that 10% by sprinting...
> >>>
> >>> :^)
> >>
> >> Nope, it's partly arm drills you can also do resisted arm drives with
> >> dynabands and also over speed training.
> >
> > Overspeed training? I thought that had been discreditied?
>
> Has it; by whom?

KINEMATICS OF ASSISTED AND RESISTED SPRINTING AS COMPARED TO NORMAL FREE
SPRINTING IN TRAINED ATHLETES

J Steven LeBlanc and Pierre L Gervais

To quote from study:

CONCLUSION: The results of this study indicate that:
€ Assisted sprinting has similar kinematics to free top-speed sprinting.
€ Assisted sprinting does not have greater stride rates than free
sprinting.
€ Resisted sprinting has similar kinematics to the acceleration phase of
a sprint.
€ Coaches and athletes should carefully consider the biomechanical
parameters and neuromuscular patterns associated with any sprint
training modality before committing extensive training time to these
special methods.

In short - you are better off just sprinting fast. Probably the major
benefit of overspeed training is to the people marketing the equipment.

--
Keith

Hobbes wrote:
> In article <4t5iu7F12ijblU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>> Hobbes wrote:
>>> In article <4t5flnF12hv37U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>>> In article <4t557pF12amlmU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <kw1bh.14$u36.8@newsfe11.lga>,
>>>>>>> "Proctologically Violated©®"
>>>>>>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, but just how much can sprinting, by itself, develop an
>>>>>>>> upper body? I think these two photos answer that question, to
>>>>>>>> some degree. Not that this guy was shabby to begin with.
>>>>>>>> Aren't they pretty strict about drugs now?
>>>>>>>> someone in that thread said they lift fairly heavy, and
>>>>>>>> explosively.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I expect the cleans and other things have some effect. But
>>>>>>> they do actually quite a bit of upper body work when sprinting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still don't understand Francis having Ben Johnson bench press
>>>>>>> and things like that. Although Francis firmly believes all
>>>>>>> strength movements are too slow for the speed of sprinting, so
>>>>>>> you do strength for strength and specific work for transfer of
>>>>>>> strength to speed and speed/strength. Which I can see.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyhow, I do agree with the idea that it may contribute little,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Approx. 10% -- weren't you listening during the speed skating
>>>>>> thread?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but you train that 10% by sprinting...
>>>>>
>>>>> :^)
>>>>
>>>> Nope, it's partly arm drills you can also do resisted arm drives
>>>> with dynabands and also over speed training.
>>>
>>> Overspeed training? I thought that had been discreditied?
>>
>> Has it; by whom?
>
> KINEMATICS OF ASSISTED AND RESISTED SPRINTING AS COMPARED TO NORMAL
> FREE SPRINTING IN TRAINED ATHLETES
>
> J Steven LeBlanc and Pierre L Gervais

Thanks. It's here: http://www.ualberta.ca/~jsl4/pdf/ISBS04_Paper.pdf !

>
> To quote from study:
>
> CONCLUSION: The results of this study indicate that:
> € Assisted sprinting has similar kinematics to free top-speed
> sprinting. € Assisted sprinting does not have greater stride rates
> than free sprinting.
> € Resisted sprinting has similar kinematics to the acceleration phase
> of a sprint.
> € Coaches and athletes should carefully consider the biomechanical
> parameters and neuromuscular patterns associated with any sprint
> training modality before committing extensive training time to these
> special methods.
>


It may have been their conclusion but it wasn't very conclusive.

More interesting was "At this time, it is unclear what biomechanical,
neuromuscular, physiological or psychological benefits may be derived from
assisted and resisted sprint training. The present study supports the notion
that assisted sprinting has similar kinematics to free sprinting, and that
resisted sprinting has similar kinematics to the acceleration phase of
sprinting. Further research is required to clarify what, if any, benefits
may be gained from the use of these training modalities in regards to
long-term changes in sprinting mechanics leading to improved sprint
performances."

> In short - you are better off just sprinting fast. Probably the major
> benefit of overspeed training is to the people marketing the
> equipment.

That's an interesting theory !!!

--
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

I think bully is right.
from rec.running, a sprinter who used really heavy dynabands:
http://www.teamflexwheeler.com/flex/image8_/dext002.jpg

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"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:khobman800-229AC9.09015329112006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <4t5iu7F12ijblU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>> Hobbes wrote:
>> > In article <4t5flnF12hv37U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hobbes wrote:
>> >>> In article <4t557pF12amlmU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> >>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hobbes wrote:
>> >>>>> In article <kw1bh.14$u36.8@newsfe11.lga>,
>> >>>>> "Proctologically Violated©®"
>> >>>>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yeah, but just how much can sprinting, by itself, develop an
>> >>>>>> upper body? I think these two photos answer that question, to
>> >>>>>> some degree. Not that this guy was shabby to begin with.
>> >>>>>> Aren't they pretty strict about drugs now?
>> >>>>>> someone in that thread said they lift fairly heavy, and
>> >>>>>> explosively.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yeah, I expect the cleans and other things have some effect. But
>> >>>>> they do actually quite a bit of upper body work when sprinting.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I still don't understand Francis having Ben Johnson bench press
>> >>>>> and things like that. Although Francis firmly believes all
>> >>>>> strength movements are too slow for the speed of sprinting, so
>> >>>>> you do strength for strength and specific work for transfer of
>> >>>>> strength to speed and speed/strength. Which I can see.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Anyhow, I do agree with the idea that it may contribute little,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Approx. 10% -- weren't you listening during the speed skating
>> >>>> thread?
>> >>>
>> >>> Yeah, but you train that 10% by sprinting...
>> >>>
>> >>> :^)
>> >>
>> >> Nope, it's partly arm drills you can also do resisted arm drives with
>> >> dynabands and also over speed training.
>> >
>> > Overspeed training? I thought that had been discreditied?
>>
>> Has it; by whom?
>
> KINEMATICS OF ASSISTED AND RESISTED SPRINTING AS COMPARED TO NORMAL FREE
> SPRINTING IN TRAINED ATHLETES
>
> J Steven LeBlanc and Pierre L Gervais
>
> To quote from study:
>
> CONCLUSION: The results of this study indicate that:
> ? Assisted sprinting has similar kinematics to free top-speed sprinting.
> ? Assisted sprinting does not have greater stride rates than free
> sprinting.
> ? Resisted sprinting has similar kinematics to the acceleration phase of
> a sprint.
> ? Coaches and athletes should carefully consider the biomechanical
> parameters and neuromuscular patterns associated with any sprint
> training modality before committing extensive training time to these
> special methods.
>
> In short - you are better off just sprinting fast. Probably the major
> benefit of overspeed training is to the people marketing the equipment.
>
> --
> Keith
>