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Old 04-25-2007, 01:21 AM
Will Brink
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In article <1176906073.661014.213460@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups .com>,
Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll bet dollars to donuts that he was on anti-depressants. Probably
> was very recently given a new prescription. Probably an SSRI. Possibly
> Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Celexa or Lexapro.
>
> Interesting to see what he was on.


Ban SSRIs! No wait, ban guns! No wait, ban Asians! No no, ban men!

Looking at Shooters and Killers and Finding Men: Ann Woolner

By Ann Woolner

April 24 (Bloomberg) -- Of the 41 people who have taken guns to U.S.
schools and opened fire since 1996, 40 of them share one trait.

They were born with the Y chromosome.

Maleness is the only characteristic that is common to this group, with
race -- Caucasian -- coming in second. They are of different educational
levels and regions. They are low achievers and high achievers. Their
motives and mental states run the gamut. The youngest was 6. Another was
53.

Together, those 40 men and boys killed 94 people on campuses, plus four
more in the hours preceding their school shooting episodes. They have
wounded scores more and traumatized thousands of others.

I'm not saying boys are born killers. Only a miniscule fraction of them
grow up to open fire at school or anywhere else. And chemistry isn't
necessarily destiny.

And yet, whether sparked by jealousy, retribution, psychosis, insecurity
or hatred toward women, U.S. school shootings happen with regularity -- 36
in 11 years -- and all but one were committed by men or by boys.

Maleness matters in all kinds of killings. Eighty-eight percent of U.S.
homicides from 1976 to 2004 were committed by men, according to the most
recent Justice Department statistics. For serial killers, the percentage
rises to 93 percent.

Whatever you have heard about the so-called feminization of the American
male or about increasingly aggressive women, the lopsided nature of which
sex kills the most remains.

Widening Gap

``When it comes to the most serious form of aggression, murder, the gender
gap is actually wider now than it was a few years ago,'' says James Fox, a
Northeastern University criminal justice professor in Boston who has
written about killers.

I know. Most men channel aggression into perfectly acceptable activities.
They build companies, enforce laws, repair roads, play sports, advocate
causes.

But women manage to do those things, too. Yet when violence erupts,
chances are overwhelming the aggressor is a man.

``It's true about murder,'' Fox says. ``It's true about crime in general.''

So what is it about men, anyway?

A leading testosterone researcher, the late Georgia State University
Professor James M. Dabbs, found that the higher the testosterone level,
the more violent the person is likely to be.

Probable Troublemakers

Testing more than 4,000 veterans, for example, he found that the 10
percent with the most testosterone were the most probable troublemakers.
These were the guys likely to have misbehaved as schoolchildren, break the
law as adults, use drugs and alcohol, go AWOL from the Army and have 10 or
more sex partners in a year, Dabbs found.

He tested male and female inmates in separate research projects and found
that in both populations the most violent had the highest T-levels.

Child psychiatrist David Shaffer of Columbia University says it's not
clear from testosterone research whether the hormone itself sparks
aggression. It could be that, because those with more of it are larger and
more muscular, they find more success at physical aggression and therefore
engage in it more.

He says there are other biological reasons for the gender gap. Men are
more likely than women to lack metabolized serotonin, which is the
neurotransmitter that acts as a calming influence, says Shaffer, chief of
Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at Columbia University Medical Center in
New York.

Teen Suicides

Incarcerated marines showed a dearth of the stuff in one study, he says.
That was also what Shaffer found in his groundbreaking research into teen
suicides, which are five to seven times more likely to be committed by
males.

Boys have another natural factor that makes them more likely to turn to
aggression, he says. They are slower to learn verbal skills and tend to
grab what they want.

Beyond body chemistry, can't we assign some blame to American culture and
peer pressure?

Boys learn from other boys that being a man means being in control, says
Dick Bathrick, who founded Men Stopping Violence in 1982 in Atlanta.

``You've got to be in control at work. You've got to be in control at
home. You've got to be in control of your feelings,'' he says, according
to this popular but ``very distorted concept of masculinity.''

When losing a job, or being rebuffed romantically, or having a spouse
refuse to do what one says, men are more likely than women to become
violent to regain control, Bathrick says.

Drive to Dominate

The drive to overpower women showed up in several school shootings. Last
September in Bailey, Colorado, 53-year-old Duane Roger Morrison entered a
high school, took six girls hostage and sexually assaulted them. When
police showed up, he shot a 16- year-old girl dead before killing himself.

The following month, Carl Charles Roberts IV, 32, lined up girls at the
West Nickel Mines Amish School and shot 10 of them, ages 6 to 13, before
killing himself. Five of the girls died.

Seung Hui Cho's anger, like the shots he fired last week at Virginia Tech,
seems to have been indiscriminate. His rantings target women but also
accuse the rich and the world in general. It may mean much or nothing that
he previously stalked two female students, became suicidal when rebuffed
and launched his deadly spree last week by first shooting a young woman in
her dorm. Cho killed 32 students and teachers in all before killing
himself.

Groups such as Bathrick's have sprung up around the country to try to stop
men from hurting the women in their lives. The organization also works to
encourage non-violent men to challenge the misogyny and violence in
others, Bathrick says.

In Washington, Men of Strength clubs in high schools steer teenagers
toward healthy ideas of what manhood means, says Patrick Lemmon, executive
director of Men Can Stop Rape, which sponsors the clubs. Not to mention
the work of scout troops and boys' clubs.

No one claims an intervention of that sort could have stopped Cho, who may
well have been psychotic.

But given the gross overrepresentation of men among those who kill, rape,
molest and beat, you have to hope that more men become more outraged by
the damage others of their gender inflict.

(Ann Woolner is a Bloomberg news columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.)

To contact the writer of this column: Ann Woolner in Atlanta at
awoolner@bloomberg.net .

Last Updated: April 24, 2007 00:15 EDT

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Old 04-25-2007, 01:21 AM
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Default Re: Virginia Tech shooter on anti-depressants?

"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote
> Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll bet dollars to donuts that he was on anti-depressants. Probably
>> was very recently given a new prescription. Probably an SSRI. Possibly
>> Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Celexa or Lexapro.
>>
>> Interesting to see what he was on.

>
> Ban SSRIs! No wait, ban guns! No wait, ban Asians! No no, ban men!


We should ban all bans.

And all paradoxes (paradoci?), too.

David


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Old 04-25-2007, 08:04 AM
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Default The obvious answer:

Legal sale, ownership and use of guns to be entirely restricted to *people
who aren't male*. Problem solved.

Next?

T.


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Old 04-26-2007, 07:40 PM
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Tachyglossus wrote:

> Legal sale, ownership and use of
> guns to be entirely restricted to
> *people who aren't male*. Problem
> solved. <snip>


Otoh...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_Borden

No guns, but still.

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Old 04-26-2007, 07:40 PM
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:21:01 GMT, "Tachyglossus"
<Tachyglossus@ecom.net> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>Legal sale, ownership and use of guns to be entirely restricted to *people
>who aren't male*. Problem solved.
>
>Next?
>

So just women and criminal men would possess guns. Yeah, right.
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Old 04-26-2007, 07:40 PM
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In article <934133ladd1iq8kd82k1nlqdikoumk829r@4ax.com>, John Hanson
<jhanson@northernlinks.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:21:01 GMT, "Tachyglossus"
> <Tachyglossus@ecom.net> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
> >Legal sale, ownership and use of guns to be entirely restricted to *people
> >who aren't male*. Problem solved.
> >
> >Next?
> >

> So just women and criminal men would possess guns. Yeah, right.


How dare you. Criminals would hand in their guns as they always do when a
new anti gun law is passed.

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Old 04-29-2007, 09:51 PM
ed
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Default Re: The obvious answer:

On Apr 26, 8:36 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
> In article <934133ladd1iq8kd82k1nlqdikoumk8...@4ax.com>, John Hanson
>
> <jhan...@northernlinks.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:21:01 GMT, "Tachyglossus"
> > <Tachyglos...@ecom.net> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>
> > >Legal sale, ownership and use of guns to be entirely restricted to *people
> > >who aren't male*. Problem solved.

>
> > >Next?

>
> > So just women and criminal men would possess guns. Yeah, right.

>
> How dare you. Criminals would hand in their guns as they always do when a
> new anti gun law is passed.


....as did Cho the very day his gun use became illegal!

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Old 05-16-2007, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: Virginia Tech shooter on anti-depressants?

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:03:49 GMT, "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

>"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote
>> Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll bet dollars to donuts that he was on anti-depressants. Probably
>>> was very recently given a new prescription. Probably an SSRI. Possibly
>>> Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Celexa or Lexapro.
>>>
>>> Interesting to see what he was on.

>>
>> Ban SSRIs! No wait, ban guns! No wait, ban Asians! No no, ban men!

>
>We should ban all bans.


No, we should clearly start with banning Asian men, then see how things improve from there.
Perhaps no other adjustment is really necessary.

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Old 05-17-2007, 04:33 AM
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Default Re: Virginia Tech shooter on anti-depressants?

In article <t94k4396b829souutmkqkcas81c98dskp7@4ax.com>,
Lucas Buck <sbcpark@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:03:49 GMT, "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote
> >> Tunderbar <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'll bet dollars to donuts that he was on anti-depressants. Probably
> >>> was very recently given a new prescription. Probably an SSRI. Possibly
> >>> Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Celexa or Lexapro.
> >>>
> >>> Interesting to see what he was on.
> >>
> >> Ban SSRIs! No wait, ban guns! No wait, ban Asians! No no, ban men!

> >
> >We should ban all bans.

>
> No, we should clearly start with banning Asian men, then see how things
> improve from there.
> Perhaps no other adjustment is really necessary.


You forgot about Mid-Easter Muslim men...
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Old 05-17-2007, 11:20 AM
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"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> schreef:

>> No, we should clearly start with banning Asian men, then see how things
>> improve from there.
>> Perhaps no other adjustment is really necessary.


> You forgot about Mid-Easter Muslim men...


I second that !!!

And give the Asians a second chance. They are not so bad.
(i pray the family members of the victims dont read this...)

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Old 05-17-2007, 11:20 AM
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In news:464c0015$1$285$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl,
Pete <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> typed:
> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> schreef:
>
>>> No, we should clearly start with banning Asian men, then see how
>>> things improve from there.
>>> Perhaps no other adjustment is really necessary.

>
>> You forgot about Mid-Easter Muslim men...

>
> I second that !!!
>
> And give the Asians a second chance. They are not so bad.
> (i pray the family members of the victims dont read this...)


Here's a joke especially for Pete:

After a recent earthquake in India that killed 30,000; the Americans are
sending food, the Canadians are sending drugs & medicines and the Dutch are
sending replacements!

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the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill


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Old 05-17-2007, 11:20 AM
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"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>> And give the Asians a second chance. They are not so bad.
>> (i pray the family members of the victims dont read this...)


> Here's a joke especially for Pete:


> After a recent earthquake in India that killed 30,000; the Americans are
> sending food, the Canadians are sending drugs & medicines and the Dutch
> are sending replacements!


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU !!!

I have a better one;

They should send me, and i fuck 30.000 Indian woman. Piece of cake. Takes me
two weeks.

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Old 05-17-2007, 07:39 PM
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In article <464c0015$1$285$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl>,
"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> schreef:
>
> >> No, we should clearly start with banning Asian men, then see how things
> >> improve from there.
> >> Perhaps no other adjustment is really necessary.

>
> > You forgot about Mid-Easter Muslim men...

>
> I second that !!!
>
> And give the Asians a second chance. They are not so bad.
> (i pray the family members of the victims dont read this...)
>
> --
> Pete


The family members of the shooter will love you for it.

Insanity (as a general rule) does not appear to be race dependant,
unless you live in the mid-east.

Om -> ducking and running....... ;-)
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