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Old 08-04-2007, 09:48 AM
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In article <1185645030.494747.198980@m37g2000prh.googlegroups .com>,
ironjustice <teamtanner@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Sooo .. theoretically .. since lecithin / phosphatidylcholine has been
> shown to enter into the body when placed .. **topically**


Cite please.

>.. then the
> simple massaging of a person with .. vegetable lecithin .. WILL ..


Will not

> lower the body weight .. thereby saving thousands of dollars.


Complete BS.

>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n3094489.shtml
>


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>> In article
<1185645030.494747.198...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups .com>,
ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sooo .. theoretically .. since lecithin / phosphatidylcholine has
been
shown to enter into the body when placed .. **topically** <<

>> On Aug 3, 1:42 pm, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:

Cite please.<<

http://www.healthprolabs.com/more_hp...ylcholine.html

A solution of 33% PC was applied to areas of shaved skin on the
backs
of rabbits that were specially bred to spontaneously develop
hypercholesterolemia (high serum cholesterol levels) as well as
atherosclerotic lesions of the aortic arch. Blood levels of PC and
related phospholipids increased to a plateau level within 48 hours.

>> In article <1185645030.494747.198...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups .com>,

ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:then the
simple massaging of a person with .. vegetable lecithin .. WILL .. <<


>> On Aug 3, 1:42 pm, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:

Will not .<<

Well since eating it / lecithin / Phosphatidylcholine CAUSES loss of
weight .. then the fact it crosses the epidermis into the body ..
equivalent TO .. eating .. then topical WILL lower the body weight ..
thereby saving thousands of dollars.

<<snip>>
decrease of omental white adipose tissue weight.
<<snip>>

J Agric Food Chem. 2007 Jul 28; [Epub ahead of print] Links
Effect of Dietary Omega 3 Phosphatidylcholine on Obesity-Related
Disorders in Obese Otsuka Long-Evans Tokushima Fatty Rats.
Shirouchi B, Nagao K, Inoue N, Ohkubo T, Hibino H, Yanagita T.
Laboratory of Nutrition Biochemistry,
Department of Applied Biochemistry and Food Science,
Saga University, Saga 840-8502, Japan, and NOF Co., Ltd., Kanagawa
210-0865, Japan.


Recent reports have shown that dietary phosphatidylcholine (PC) has
various beneficial biological effects. Omega 3 polyunsaturated fatty
acids (omega3 PUFAs) have also been reported to have lipid-lowering
effects in animal models and human studies. In the present study, we
investigated the effect of omega3 PUFAs containing PC (omega3-PC) on
obesity-related disorders in Otsuka Long-Evans Tokushima fatty
(OLETF)
rats. Rats were fed semisynthetic diets that contained either 5% corn
oil and 2% egg-PC or 5% corn oil and 2% omega3-PC for 4 weeks. During
this 4 week feeding of the omega3-PC, the OLEFT rats showed a
decrease
of omental white adipose tissue weight. In addition, the omega3-PC
diet significantly decreased liver weight and hepatic lipid levels in
OLETF rats. These changes were attributable to the significant
suppression of fatty acid synthase activity and significant
enhancement in the activities of carnitine palmitoyltransferase and
peroxisomal beta-oxidation. Moreover, the omega3-PC diet reduced
serum
glucose levels concomitant with the increase of serum adiponectin
levels. These results show that compared with egg-PC, omega3-PC can
prevent or alleviate obesity-related disorders through the
suppression
of fatty acid synthesis, enhancement of fatty acid beta-oxidation,
and
increase of the serum adiponectin level in OLETF rats. Keywords:
omega3 polyunsaturated fatty acids; docosahexaenoic acid;
eicosapentaenoic acid; phosphatidylcholine; obesity-related
disorders;
adiponectin; Otsuka Long-Evans Tokushima fatty rats.


PMID: 17661494 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
---------------------------------------------

>> On Aug 3, 1:42 pm, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:

Complete BS.<<

See .. above ..
..

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Old 08-04-2007, 10:12 PM
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In article <1186201031.009355.24200@m37g2000prh.googlegroups. com>,
ironjustice <teamtanner@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >> In article

> <1185645030.494747.198...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups .com>,
> ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sooo .. theoretically .. since lecithin / phosphatidylcholine has
> been
> shown to enter into the body when placed .. **topically** <<
>
> >> On Aug 3, 1:42 pm, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:

> Cite please.<<
>
> http://www.healthprolabs.com/more_hp...ylcholine.html


That is not a citation, that is a web site that sells a product. Do you
know the difference?

>
> A solution of 33% PC was applied to areas of shaved skin on the
> backs
> of rabbits that were specially bred to spontaneously develop
> hypercholesterolemia (high serum cholesterol levels) as well as
> atherosclerotic lesions of the aortic arch. Blood levels of PC and
> related phospholipids increased to a plateau level within 48 hours.


Which has exactly nadda to do with your prior statements.

>
> >> In article <1185645030.494747.198...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups .com>,

> ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:then the
> simple massaging of a person with .. vegetable lecithin .. WILL .. <<
>
>
> >> On Aug 3, 1:42 pm, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:

> Will not .<<
>
> Well since eating it / lecithin / Phosphatidylcholine CAUSES loss of
> weight ..


False. They are worthless for weight loss. Can you come up with a recent
in vivo human study for that claim or do you want to direct me to another
sales site?



>then the fact it crosses the epidermis into the body ..
> equivalent TO .. eating .. then topical WILL lower the body weight ..
> thereby saving thousands of dollars.


Incorrect.

>
> <<snip>>
> decrease of omental white adipose tissue weight.
> <<snip>>


A study in rats fed n3 lipids (which actually does cause weight loss) with
PC, which has essentially no weight loss effects in humans of any note.
What is your science background for this conversation? Lots of studies out
of japan seem to find effects that cant be duplicated in the US, but
that's another issue...

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Old 08-04-2007, 10:12 PM
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>>On Aug 4, 6:01 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
What is your science background for this conversation?<<

Actually .. the 'conversation' is .. FROM .. you ..

The 'thread' is BY .. me ..

YOU initiated .. ANY .. 'conversation' ..

YOU .. 'expect' .. "human studies .. !!!" .. ?

In FACT .. you take the tact of a .. two bit second rate .. troll ..

"Mice!!" .. "Look .. mice .. " .. "no humans .. !!"

In this case I suppose it would be .. "Rabbit!!" "Look .. rabbit ,.. "
"no humans .. !!"

If you do not accept animal studies .. then .. buddy .. you and all
the rest of the .. fellows .. who DO use the tired old tack OF ..
"animal studies .. I ain't a mouse" .. should actually .. get the fk
out of the groups ..

Because .. every medical study ever done and accepted uses ..
animals ..

DON'T .. consider yourself above MOST other researchers and THEIR
ability AND acceptance OF .. "animal studies" .. because .. frankly ..
abilities are and **have** to be .. PROVEN.

>>On Aug 4, 6:01 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:A study in rats fed n3 lipids (which actually does cause weight loss) with

PC, which has essentially no weight loss effects in humans of any
note. <<

"no weight loss effects in humans "

Citation ..REQUIRED .. I .. don't think your word .. scientifically ..
can be trusted ..

It / opinion .. doesn't .. follow .. science .. and therefore .. IS ..
**useless** .. UNLESS .. you have some .. **merit** . which may
preclude your opinion from .. BEING .. suspect.

..
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Old 08-04-2007, 10:12 PM
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>> On Aug 4, 6:01 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:> http://www.healthprolabs.com/more_hp...ylcholine.html
That is not a citation, that is a web site that sells a product. Do
you
know the difference? <<

I should forward your .. questioning .. OF .. Hsia 'credentials" ..
and maybe he / she would / should write to you and ask YOU .. what ..
**cred** YOU .. have FOR questioning HIS / HER .. credentials .. IN ..
public .. forum.

S. L. Hsia, Ph.D., director of the Transdermal Delivery/Cutaneous
Biology Laboratory in the Department of Dermatology and Cutaneous
Surgery at the Leonard M. Miller School of Medicine.

About the University of Miami Leonard M. Miller School of Medicine
The University of Miami Leonard M. Miller School of Medicine has
earned international acclaim for research, clinical care, and
biomedical innovations. Among its centers of excellence are Bascom
Palmer Eye Institute, the UM/Sylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center,
the Diabetes Research Institute, and the Miami Project to Cure
Paralysis.

http://www.med.miami.edu/news/view.asp?id=436

>> On Aug 4, 6:01 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:> Which has exactly nadda to do with your prior statements. <<


YOU .. 'asked' FOR a .. citation to COVER the transdermal / into the
body .. OF .. lipids .. BY .. topical / upon skin applied .. and I ..
placed it .. and NOW .. you question that it is NOT .. 'relevant' ..

Hmmm ..

>> On Aug 4, 6:01 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:> Can you come up with a recent in vivo human study for that claim or do you want to direct me to another

sales site? <<

You said it .. twice ..

You said .. Hsia IS .. capable OF .. falsifying .. studies .. ?

You have no .. respect .. FOR the University of Miami .. ?

Explain that ..

I can see why one might question a .. "Will Brink Supplement
School" .. site .. but a University .. has .. standards ..

**University** .. as opposed to .. "Clintons College of Curing" ..

They are going to falsify a study of transdermal application of
natural .. lipids.. when he is in FACT .. the head of the ..
DEPARTMENT .. on .. transdermal application OF .. lipids .. ?

He is setting himself up for quite the fall .. FOR .. a .. cream .. ?

I kinda suspect if he / she is about to .. put it all on the line so
to speak .. it would be for much MORE than the slight profit the
University would realize from a .. cream.
..
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Old 08-04-2007, 10:12 PM
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>> In article <1185645030.494747.198...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups .com>,
ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sooo .. theoretically .. since lecithin / phosphatidylcholine has
been
shown to enter into the body when placed .. **topically** <<

>> On Aug 3, 1:42 pm, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:

Cite please. <<

<<snip>>
This study shows that topically applied oil can be absorbed in
neonates and
is probably available for nutritional purposes.
<<snip>>
<<snip>>
Fatty acid profiles showed significant rise in EFAs (linolenic acid
and
arachidonic acid) in safflower oil group and saturated fats in
coconut
oil group
<<snip>>

http://www.indianpediatrics.net/oct2...t-998-1005.htm


Indian Pediatrics 2005; 42:998-1005


Transcutaneous Absorption of Topically Massaged Oil in Neonates


Kirti Solanki, Manoj Matnani, +Mrudula Kale, +Kalpana Joshi, Ashish
Bavdekar, Sheila Bhave and Anand Pandit

>From the *Department of Pediatrics, KEM Hospital, Pune 411 011, India

and +School of Health Sciences, University of Pune, Pune 411 007,
India.

Address for Correspondence : Dr. Sheila Bhave, Department of
Pediatrics, KEM Hospital, Pune 411 011, India. E-mail:
kem...@vsnl.com


Abstract


Objective: To study the transcutaneous absorption of traditionally
massaged oil in newborns and to specifically compare the effects of
(i)
essential fatty acid (EFA) rich - safflower oil and (ii) saturated
fat
rich coconut oil, on fatty acid profiles of massaged babies. Design:
A
short term randomised controlled study. Setting: Tertiary care NICU
of
a large teaching hospital and a research laboratory of a University
complex. Methods: 120 study babies were randomly assigned to three
oil
groups (i) safflower oil (n = 40) (ii) coconut oil (n = 40) and (iii)
no oil controls (n = 40). In each group, babies were selected in
three
subsets as per their gestational ages viz., (a) <34weeks, (b) 34-37
weeks, (c) > 37 weeks. 5 mL of the designated oil was massaged four
times a day (6hrly) for five days under controlled conditions of
temperature and feeding. Pre and post oil massage samples of blood
were
analysed for triglycerides and fatty acid profiles using gas
chromatography. Results: Post oil triglyceride values were
significantly raised in both the oil groups and also in controls.
However, the quantum of rise was significantly higher in oil groups
as
compared to controls (p <0.05). Fatty acid profiles (gas
chromatography) showed significant rise in EFAs (linolenic acid and
arachidonic acid) in safflower oil group and saturated fats in
coconut
oil group (p <0.05). Changes were more evident in term babies. There
were no side effects associated with the massage. Conclusion: This
study shows that topically applied oil can be absorbed in neonates
and
is probably available for nutritional purposes. The fatty acid
constituents of the oil can influence the changes in the fatty acid
profiles of the massaged babies.


Key words: Fatty acid profile, Topical absorption, Traditional oil .


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>
> >.. then the
> > simple massaging of a person with .. vegetable lecithin .. WILL ..

>
> Will not
>
> > lower the body weight .. thereby saving thousands of dollars.

>
> Complete BS.
>
>
>
> >http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...lth/main309448...

>
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Old 08-04-2007, 10:12 PM
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Will Brink <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote:
> ironjustice:
>> In the present study, we investigated the effect of omega3 PUFAs
>> containing PC (omega3-PC) on obesity-related disorders in Otsuka
>> Long-Evans Tokushima fatty (OLETF) rats.

>
> A study in rats fed n3 lipids (which actually does cause weight
> loss) with PC, which has essentially no weight loss effects in
> humans of any note.


The commonly sold phosphatidylcholine from soy-derived lecithin is
barely "omega-3 containing". As I'm sure you know, PC is a class of
compounds that differ from each other by the type of their fatty acyl
tails. The major one in soy PC is an omega-6 (linoleic chain). The
next abundant type in soy PC is composed of the saturated ones.
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In article <1186239402.541063.249140@e16g2000pri.googlegroups .com>,
"ironjustice@aol.com" <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote:


Idiotic comments snipped

>
> YOU .. 'expect' .. "human studies .. !!!" .. ?


Why yes, yes I do. Shocking I know.

Yet more idiotic babble snipped

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<ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
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>>>On Aug 4, 6:01 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:

> What is your science background for this conversation?<<
>
> Actually .. the 'conversation' is .. FROM .. you ..
>
> The 'thread' is BY .. me ..
>
> YOU initiated .. ANY .. 'conversation' ..
>
> YOU .. 'expect' .. "human studies .. !!!" .. ?
>

Are YOU.. some KIND of MENTAL ...patient?


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In article <1186242510.579897.50760@i13g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
"ironjustice@aol.com" <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote:



> and maybe he / she would / should write to you and ask YOU .. what ..
> **cred** YOU .. have FOR questioning HIS / HER .. credentials .. IN ..
> public .. forum.


I questioned YOUR credentials, not his.


>
> >> On Aug 4, 6:01 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:> Can

you come up with a recent in vivo human study for that claim or do you
want to direct me to another
> sales site? <<
>
> You said it .. twice ..


And you failed to supply it twice.

Moronic babble snipped.

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In article <457@3251719460.323332320.1418.11544.32050>, DZ
<10935@736317825.266174575.17241.19299.28398> wrote:

> Will Brink <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote:
> > ironjustice:
> >> In the present study, we investigated the effect of omega3 PUFAs
> >> containing PC (omega3-PC) on obesity-related disorders in Otsuka
> >> Long-Evans Tokushima fatty (OLETF) rats.

> >
> > A study in rats fed n3 lipids (which actually does cause weight
> > loss) with PC, which has essentially no weight loss effects in
> > humans of any note.

>
> The commonly sold phosphatidylcholine from soy-derived lecithin is
> barely "omega-3 containing".


And most of the studies that found any benefits from PC did not use soy as
the source of the PC.

> As I'm sure you know, PC is a class of
> compounds that differ from each other by the type of their fatty acyl
> tails. The major one in soy PC is an omega-6 (linoleic chain). The
> next abundant type in soy PC is composed of the saturated ones.


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Old 08-05-2007, 02:59 PM
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>> On Aug 4, 10:52 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:I questioned YOUR credentials, not his. <<
...
The study was questioned ..

Therefore you questioned HIS .. credentials ..

You may think nobody noticed this .. but they .. did ..

>> You said it .. twice ..<<


And now let me point out .. here .. is where you hang yourself ..

You questioned HIS .. credentials .. twice ..

You .. question .. HIS ..

Heh .. heh ..

Like I said .. get some .. merit .. then question HIS ..

And while you are at it .. get some .. to question .. MINE ..

>> And you failed to supply it twice.<<


Actually I pointed out to .. YOU .. that the fact you did NOT ..
'accept' Hsia and his work .. means .. you have no leg to stand on ..
and therefore pull out the pussy move OF .. of .. of .. ?

Personal .. attack .. IE: questioning the study and / or Hsia ..

>> Moronic babble snipped.<<


I don't think you could recognize moronic .. babble ..

It would take .. ability.
..
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>>On Aug 4, 10:04 am, DZ
<10...@736317825.266174575.17241.19299.28398> wrote:
The commonly sold phosphatidylcholine from soy-derived lecithin is
barely "omega-3 containing". As I'm sure you know, PC is a class of
compounds that differ from each other by the type of their fatty acyl
tails. The major one in soy PC is an omega-6 (linoleic chain). The
next abundant type in soy PC is composed of the saturated ones.<<

Vegetable lecithin has been tested .. AND .. the result .. is ..
"It is an effective supplier OF .. the omega - 3 fatty acids .. "

It is the basis OF them and the .. **body** does the rest ..

Old news ..

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>> On Aug 4, 6:01 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
False. They are worthless for weight loss. <<

Using .. science .. since lecithin IS absorbed **topically** and since
linoleic acid FORMS the fat reducing .. CLA .. then topical
application **will** reduce fat levels.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/p00pm0q6h532t057/

<<snip>>
Lecithin was prepared from crude soybean
linoleic-62.92 per cent
<<snip>>

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/136/3/570

There are two sources for cis-9, trans-11 CLA synthesis in ruminant
animals: 1) the rumen via incomplete biohydrogenation of linoleic
acid, and 2) desaturation of trans-11 18:1 (vaccenic acid; VA) by the
9-desaturase enzyme in animal tissues

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Int J Obes (Lond). 2007 Mar;31(3):481-7. Epub 2006 Aug 22. Links
The role of conjugated linoleic acid in reducing body fat and
preventing holiday weight gain.Watras AC, Buchholz AC, Close RN, Zhang
Z, Schoeller DA.
Department of Nutritional Sciences, University of Wisconsin-Madison,
Madison, WI 53706, USA.

OBJECTIVE:
The incidence of obesity and overweight in the US has increased
considerably during the past two decades and currently affects 65% of
the adult population. Research has indicated that small, yet
irreversible, gains during the holiday season contribute to increases
in weight during adulthood. Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), a
naturally occurring dietary fatty acid, has been found to reduce
weight gain and dramatically decrease fat mass in animals. Although
research in humans has shown inconsistent results, most studies have
been of insufficient duration or have utilized body composition
methods that are less accurate than the currently accepted criterion.
DESIGN:
Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study of 3.2 g/day CLA
for 6 months. SUBJECTS:
Forty healthy, overweight subjects (age: 18-44 years; body mass index:
25-30 kg/m(2)).
MEASUREMENTS:
Body composition by the four-compartment model, resting metabolic rate
(RMR) by indirect calorimetry, self-reported physical activity and
dietary intake, and blood chemistries were determined at baseline and
after 6 months. Body weight was measured monthly during the pre-
holiday season (August-October), holiday season (November-December)
and post-holiday season (January-March). Adverse events were assessed
monthly.
RESULTS:
Compared to CLA, the placebo group showed a greater rate of weight
gain during the holiday season (P=0.01). Within the placebo group,
holiday weight change was significantly greater compared to the pre-
holiday period (August-October) (P=0.03). Six-month change in body
composition was improved with CLA compared to placebo (P=0.02), and
body fat was significantly reduced within the CLA group (-1.0+/-2.2
kg, P=0.05). CLA had no effect on RMR, physical activity or dietary
intake. The rate of reported negative emotions decreased significantly
with CLA, although there was no difference in any other category of
adverse event. In comparison to the placebo, CLA did not affect
insulin resistance, blood lipids and markers of liver function or
markers of inflammation, with the exception of a significant decrease
in a biomarker of endothelial dysfunction.
CONCLUSION:
CLA supplementation among overweight adults significantly reduced body
fat over 6 months and prevented weight gain during the holiday season.
Although no adverse effects were seen, additional studies should
evaluate the effect of prolonged use of CLA.

PMID: 16924272 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linoleic_acid

In Physiology
Linoleic acid is a polyunsaturated fatty acid used in the biosynthesis
of prostaglandins. It is found in the lipids of cell membranes. It is
abundant in many vegetable oils, especially safflower and sunflower
oils.

It is easy to meet the daily requirement for these fatty acids (even
for people consuming low fat diets) and most people get plenty of
omega-6 fatty acids in their diet by consuming approximately a
tablespoon of polyunsaturated plant oils per day.

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http://www.springerlink.com/content/p00pm0q6h532t057/

M. H. Thornton1, C. S. Johnson1 and M. A. Ewan1

(1) Department of Agricultural Chemistry, Purdue University
Agricultural Experiment Station, Lafayette, Indiana


Summary Lecithin was prepared from crude soybean phosphatides by the
Pangborn modification of the cadmium chloride method. Results of
analysis indicated that this preparation was 97 per cent lecithin and
3 per cent cephalin. Its fatty acid composition was as follows:
palmitic-15.77 per cent; stearic-6.30 per cent; oleic-12.98 per cent;
linoleic-62.92 per cent; linolenic-2.02 per cent.
Journal Paper No. 124 Purdue Agricultural Experiment Station. This
work was supported in part by the former U. S. Regional Soybean
Industrial Products Laboratory of Urbana, Illinois, now a part of the
Northern Regional Research Laboratory at Peoria, Illinois.

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>> On Aug 4, 6:01 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:

Lots of studies out
of japan seem to find effects that cant be duplicated in the US, but
that's another issue... <<

You pulled almost every tack out of the book on this .. thread ..

Didn't ya ..

NOW .. what tack did you use .. here .. ?

"Japs" ..

I'm actually kinda .. surprised ..
..


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Old 08-05-2007, 08:38 PM
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In article <1186267374.079593.123810@i38g2000prf.googlegroups .com>,
ironjustice <teamtanner@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >> On Aug 4, 10:52 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:I

questioned YOUR credentials, not his. <<
> ..
> The study was questioned ..


As it should be.

>
> Therefore you questioned HIS .. credentials ..


Translated: you have no credentials and will keep avoiding/ducking the issue.


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Old 08-06-2007, 03:06 AM
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On Aug 5, 9:40 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
Translated: you have no credentials and will keep avoiding/ducking the
issue. <<

What issue .. ?

Credentials.. ?

We NEED credentials .. ?

Jeez .. I .. am .. very .. sorry .. I didn't KNOW .. we needed ..
credentials ..

I'll have to get right on that ..

That is after I am done with .. a few .. MORE .. diseases ..

While we are here .. PROVE .. your .. 'credentials' .. using the
wayback machine .. point out somewhere in the past where YOU ..
called .. anything.

Just one YOU .. calling .. it ..

Just one .. call ..

Maybe .. athletes' .. foot .. ?

That should be right down your .. line ..

Maybe .. jock .. itch .. ?.

Jeez .. I think picolinic acid is being used .. there ..

I think I beat ya to those .. and not ever BEING in .. around ..
WITH .. athletes ..

How about diabetes , malaria , cancer .. pick any other disease.

Just ONE of the over 2500 different diseases ..

Shouldn't be too hard ..

I've called alot ..

You must have been able to call .. one ..

Logically .. with your .. credentials ..

It couldn't BE .. the .. iron .. could it .. ?

Nah ..

Too .. easy ..

<<snip>>
definitively identified as unsaturated transferrin
<<snip>>

J Lab Clin Med. 1975 Aug;86(2):204-12.Links
Transferrin, iron, and dermatophytes. I. Serum dematophyte inhibitory
component definitively identified as unsaturated transferrin.King RD,
Khan HA, Foye JC, Greenberg JH, Jones HE.
The factor present in normal human serum which inhibits growth of
dematophytic fungi is characterized and identified. Serum inhibitory
factor (SIF) is nondialyzable, heat stable at 56 degrees C. for 4
hours, and fungistatic. SIF was found to be an inhibitor of the
dermatophyte genera Trichophyton, Microsporium, and Epidermophyton as
well as the dimorphic yeast Candida albicans. SIF activity directly
correlated with a serum's unbound iron-binding capacity (UIBC) in that
lower UIBC'S were less inhibitory. Addition of iron to serum
neutralized the inhibitory activity and this neutrilization was shown
to be specific for iron since zinc, magnesium, managnese, and copper
failed to alter serum inhibitory activity. Furthermore, addition of
purified iron-free transferrin to a neutralized serum restored the SIF
activity in parallel with the UIBC. Removal of transferrin from serum
by affinity chromatography was confirmed by polyacrylamide gel
electrophoresis and iron-binding assays. Transferrin-free serum
produced by this procedure was shown to lack inhibitory activity.
These data indicate that SIF is unsaturated transferrin and strongly
suggests that it inhibits dermatophytes by binding iron which many
organisms need for growth.

PMID: 1151148 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Old 08-07-2007, 02:40 PM
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>> On Aug 4, 9:22 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
In article <1185645030.494747.198...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups .com>,
ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Sooo .. theoretically .. since lecithin / phosphatidylcholine has
been
shown to enter into the body when placed .. **topically**
On Aug 3, 1:42 pm, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
Cite please. <<

Indian Pediatr. 2005 Mar;42(3):255-8. Links
Transcutaneous absorption of oil in preterm babies--a pilot study.
Fernandez AR, Krishnamoorthy G, Patil N, Mondkar JA, Swar BD.
Department of Neonatology, L.T.M.G. Hospital and L.T.M.M. College,
Sion, Mumbai, India. rfern1@bom2vsnl.net.in

This study was conducted to determine transcutaneous absorption of oil
in preterm neonates. A mixture of coconut oil and Meadowfoam oil which
contains unique fatty acids, which acted as marker fatty acids was
applied to the skin of babies. One mL blood was collected before and
one hour after post oil application. Both pre and post oil application
serum samples were hydrolysed and derivatised with 2-phenyl hydrazine
hydrochloride in order to detect fatty acids by HPLC analysis on C-8
column. None of the pre oil application serum sample showed the
presence of the marker fatty acids. The post oil application serum
sample of all the 12 babies showed the presence of marker fatty acids
of Meadowfoam oil which indicates transcutaneous absorption of oil in
preterm babies.

PMID: 15817974 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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>
> <<snip>>
> This study shows that topically applied oil can be absorbed in
> neonates and
> is probably available for nutritional purposes.
> <<snip>>
> <<snip>>
> Fatty acid profiles showed significant rise in EFAs (linolenic acid
> and
> arachidonic acid) in safflower oil group and saturated fats in
> coconut
> oil group
> <<snip>>
>
> http://www.indianpediatrics.net/oct2...t-998-1005.htm
>
> Indian Pediatrics 2005; 42:998-1005
>
> Transcutaneous Absorption of Topically Massaged Oil in Neonates
>
> Kirti Solanki, Manoj Matnani, +Mrudula Kale, +Kalpana Joshi, Ashish
> Bavdekar, Sheila Bhave and Anand Pandit
>
> >From the *Department of Pediatrics, KEM Hospital, Pune 411 011, India

>
> and +School of Health Sciences, University of Pune, Pune 411 007,
> India.
>
> Address for Correspondence : Dr. Sheila Bhave, Department of
> Pediatrics, KEM Hospital, Pune 411 011, India. E-mail:
> kem...@vsnl.com
>
> Abstract
>
> Objective: To study the transcutaneous absorption of traditionally
> massaged oil in newborns and to specifically compare the effects of
> (i)
> essential fatty acid (EFA) rich - safflower oil and (ii) saturated
> fat
> rich coconut oil, on fatty acid profiles of massaged babies. Design:
> A
> short term randomised controlled study. Setting: Tertiary care NICU
> of
> a large teaching hospital and a research laboratory of a University
> complex. Methods: 120 study babies were randomly assigned to three
> oil
> groups (i) safflower oil (n = 40) (ii) coconut oil (n = 40) and (iii)
> no oil controls (n = 40). In each group, babies were selected in
> three
> subsets as per their gestational ages viz., (a) <34weeks, (b) 34-37
> weeks, (c) > 37 weeks. 5 mL of the designated oil was massaged four
> times a day (6hrly) for five days under controlled conditions of
> temperature and feeding. Pre and post oil massage samples of blood
> were
> analysed for triglycerides and fatty acid profiles using gas
> chromatography. Results: Post oil triglyceride values were
> significantly raised in both the oil groups and also in controls.
> However, the quantum of rise was significantly higher in oil groups
> as
> compared to controls (p <0.05). Fatty acid profiles (gas
> chromatography) showed significant rise in EFAs (linolenic acid and
> arachidonic acid) in safflower oil group and saturated fats in
> coconut
> oil group (p <0.05). Changes were more evident in term babies. There
> were no side effects associated with the massage. Conclusion: This
> study shows that topically applied oil can be absorbed in neonates
> and
> is probably available for nutritional purposes. The fatty acid
> constituents of the oil can influence the changes in the fatty acid
> profiles of the massaged babies.
>
> Key words: Fatty acid profile, Topical absorption, Traditional oil .
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
>
>
>
>
> > >.. then the
> > > simple massaging of a person with .. vegetable lecithin .. WILL ..

>
> > Will not

>
> > > lower the body weight .. thereby saving thousands of dollars.

>
> > Complete BS.

>
> > >http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...lth/main309448...

>
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Old 08-07-2007, 02:40 PM
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In article <1186359682.334994.215420@i13g2000prf.googlegroups .com>,
ironjustice <teamtanner@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 5, 9:40 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
> Translated: you have no credentials and will keep avoiding/ducking the
> issue. <<
>
> What issue .. ?


The issue you have no credentials to give any advice or judge any research.

>
> Credentials.. ?


Yes, those which you lack.

>
> We NEED credentials .. ?


Yup.

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>> On Aug 7, 6:27 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote: We NEED credentials .. ?
Yup. <<

Health Research Analyst ..

Credentials .. needed .. IE: intelligence ..

I guess that is why we have so few Health Research Analysts ..
around ..


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In article <1186498043.067228.65790@i38g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
"ironjustice@aol.com" <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote:

> >> On Aug 7, 6:27 am, willbr...@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote: We NEED

credentials .. ?
> Yup. <<
>
> Health Research Analyst ..


Ah, an invented title you pulled from your butt. Got it, thanx.

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