ROM AB/Back Chair vs 45 Degree hyperextesion bench

Does a ROM AB/Back chair work the same muscle groups for the back as a
45 degree hyperextension bench does?

I want to strengthen my back but I'm not sure what the best way to go would
be.

"albert gilmore" <ahgilmore@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Does a ROM AB/Back chair work the same muscle groups for the back as a
> 45 degree hyperextension bench does?

I don't know.

> I want to strengthen my back but I'm not sure what the best way to go
> would be.

Deadlift.

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albert gilmore wrote:
> Does a ROM AB/Back chair work the same muscle groups for the back as a
> 45 degree hyperextension bench does?
>
> I want to strengthen my back but I'm not sure what the best way to go would
> be.
>
>
>

Without actually getting up close and trying one, noone can really
answer this for you. What else are you doing to build strength? Why look
at this particular piece of equipment?

Ari

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I handle a lot of heavy material at work 20-50 lbs depending on the
situation and spend a lot of time hunched over a grinder with the material.

After a few hours I start to get tight in the mid/upper back
area(if my arms are at my sides the soreness runs in a striaght line from
elbow to elbow) My doctor suggested I
do back exercises and getting down on the floor isn't possible because of my
knees. So I'm looking for something that I don't have to get on the floor to
use.


"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
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> albert gilmore wrote:
>> Does a ROM AB/Back chair work the same muscle groups for the back as a
>> 45 degree hyperextension bench does?
>>
>> I want to strengthen my back but I'm not sure what the best way to go
>> would be.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Without actually getting up close and trying one, noone can really answer
> this for you. What else are you doing to build strength? Why look at this
> particular piece of equipment?
>
> Ari
>
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Dnia 2008-04-21 albert gilmore napisa³(a):
> I handle a lot of heavy material at work 20-50 lbs depending on the
> situation and spend a lot of time hunched over a grinder with the material.
>
> After a few hours I start to get tight in the mid/upper back
> area(if my arms are at my sides the soreness runs in a striaght line from
> elbow to elbow) My doctor suggested I
> do back exercises and getting down on the floor isn't possible because of my
> knees. So I'm looking for something that I don't have to get on the floor to
> use.

How about a variation of deadlifts?

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albert gilmore wrote:
> I handle a lot of heavy material at work 20-50 lbs depending on the
> situation and spend a lot of time hunched over a grinder with the material.
>
> After a few hours I start to get tight in the mid/upper back
> area(if my arms are at my sides the soreness runs in a striaght line from
> elbow to elbow) My doctor suggested I
> do back exercises and getting down on the floor isn't possible because of my
> knees. So I'm looking for something that I don't have to get on the floor to
> use.
>
>

I think a total body approach with specific focus on the back would be
better, including focus on hamstring flexibility. It will probably help
your knees as well, which will in turn offer benefits to your back over
time. As a specific mid back anaerobic endurance exercise, I've found
high rep rack deadlifts very good. They spare your knees for the most
part but really get you in that area across your back that you've
described (loading bricks in a wheel barrow and moving them for hours
does the same thing, but I prefer rack deadlifts *grin*). 45 degree
barbell rows will help, as can a variety of other arms to the side
rowing movements. You may also find slight incline shrugs a good
adjunctive movement as well as incline inverted flyes. Not that you'd be
doing all of these every workout!

Regards,

Ari

> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
> news:480c6f00$0$18462$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> albert gilmore wrote:
>>> Does a ROM AB/Back chair work the same muscle groups for the back as a
>>> 45 degree hyperextension bench does?
>>>
>>> I want to strengthen my back but I'm not sure what the best way to go
>>> would be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Without actually getting up close and trying one, noone can really answer
>> this for you. What else are you doing to build strength? Why look at this
>> particular piece of equipment?
>>
>> Ari



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Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
> albert gilmore wrote:
>> I handle a lot of heavy material at work 20-50 lbs depending on the
>> situation and spend a lot of time hunched over a grinder with the material.
>>
>> After a few hours I start to get tight in the mid/upper back
>> area(if my arms are at my sides the soreness runs in a striaght line from
>> elbow to elbow) My doctor suggested I
>> do back exercises and getting down on the floor isn't possible because of my
>> knees. So I'm looking for something that I don't have to get on the floor to
>> use.
>>
>>
>
> I think a total body approach with specific focus on the back would be
> better, including focus on hamstring flexibility. It will probably help
> your knees as well, which will in turn offer benefits to your back over
> time. As a specific mid back anaerobic endurance exercise, I've found
> high rep rack deadlifts very good.

Romanian deadlifts work probably even better, and you don't need a rack
for them. I'll explain how to do them when asked (note to OP, of
course).

[...]
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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>> albert gilmore wrote:
>>> I handle a lot of heavy material at work 20-50 lbs depending on the
>>> situation and spend a lot of time hunched over a grinder with the material.
>>>
>>> After a few hours I start to get tight in the mid/upper back
>>> area(if my arms are at my sides the soreness runs in a striaght line from
>>> elbow to elbow) My doctor suggested I
>>> do back exercises and getting down on the floor isn't possible because of my
>>> knees. So I'm looking for something that I don't have to get on the floor to
>>> use.
>>>
>>>
>> I think a total body approach with specific focus on the back would be
>> better, including focus on hamstring flexibility. It will probably help
>> your knees as well, which will in turn offer benefits to your back over
>> time. As a specific mid back anaerobic endurance exercise, I've found
>> high rep rack deadlifts very good.
>
> Romanian deadlifts work probably even better, and you don't need a rack
> for them. I'll explain how to do them when asked (note to OP, of
> course).
>
> [...]

They're more of a lower back and hamstrings movement, though.

Ari

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Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>> albert gilmore wrote:
>>>> I handle a lot of heavy material at work 20-50 lbs depending on the
>>>> situation and spend a lot of time hunched over a grinder with the material.
>>>>
>>>> After a few hours I start to get tight in the mid/upper back
>>>> area(if my arms are at my sides the soreness runs in a striaght line from
>>>> elbow to elbow) My doctor suggested I
>>>> do back exercises and getting down on the floor isn't possible because of my
>>>> knees. So I'm looking for something that I don't have to get on the floor to
>>>> use.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think a total body approach with specific focus on the back would be
>>> better, including focus on hamstring flexibility. It will probably help
>>> your knees as well, which will in turn offer benefits to your back over
>>> time. As a specific mid back anaerobic endurance exercise, I've found
>>> high rep rack deadlifts very good.
>>
>> Romanian deadlifts work probably even better, and you don't need a rack
>> for them. I'll explain how to do them when asked (note to OP, of
>> course).
>>
>> [...]
>
> They're more of a lower back and hamstrings movement, though.

True. But as it happens, I suspect that weak hams and incorrect way of
lifting are at least a part of his problem. Have you seen people
lifting "heavy material" of 50 lbs?

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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>>> albert gilmore wrote:
>>>>> I handle a lot of heavy material at work 20-50 lbs depending on the
>>>>> situation and spend a lot of time hunched over a grinder with the material.
>>>>>
>>>>> After a few hours I start to get tight in the mid/upper back
>>>>> area(if my arms are at my sides the soreness runs in a striaght line from
>>>>> elbow to elbow) My doctor suggested I
>>>>> do back exercises and getting down on the floor isn't possible because of my
>>>>> knees. So I'm looking for something that I don't have to get on the floor to
>>>>> use.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I think a total body approach with specific focus on the back would be
>>>> better, including focus on hamstring flexibility. It will probably help
>>>> your knees as well, which will in turn offer benefits to your back over
>>>> time. As a specific mid back anaerobic endurance exercise, I've found
>>>> high rep rack deadlifts very good.
>>> Romanian deadlifts work probably even better, and you don't need a rack
>>> for them. I'll explain how to do them when asked (note to OP, of
>>> course).
>>>
>>> [...]
>> They're more of a lower back and hamstrings movement, though.
>
> True. But as it happens, I suspect that weak hams and incorrect way of
> lifting are at least a part of his problem. Have you seen people
> lifting "heavy material" of 50 lbs?
>



It can be quite heavy if unwieldy or very low to the floor for gripping.



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Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>>> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>>>> albert gilmore wrote:
>>>>>> I handle a lot of heavy material at work 20-50 lbs depending on the
>>>>>> situation and spend a lot of time hunched over a grinder with the material.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After a few hours I start to get tight in the mid/upper back
>>>>>> area(if my arms are at my sides the soreness runs in a striaght line from
>>>>>> elbow to elbow) My doctor suggested I
>>>>>> do back exercises and getting down on the floor isn't possible because of my
>>>>>> knees. So I'm looking for something that I don't have to get on the floor to
>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think a total body approach with specific focus on the back would be
>>>>> better, including focus on hamstring flexibility. It will probably help
>>>>> your knees as well, which will in turn offer benefits to your back over
>>>>> time. As a specific mid back anaerobic endurance exercise, I've found
>>>>> high rep rack deadlifts very good.
>>>> Romanian deadlifts work probably even better, and you don't need a rack
>>>> for them. I'll explain how to do them when asked (note to OP, of
>>>> course).
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>> They're more of a lower back and hamstrings movement, though.
>>
>> True. But as it happens, I suspect that weak hams and incorrect way of
>> lifting are at least a part of his problem. Have you seen people
>> lifting "heavy material" of 50 lbs?
>>
>
>
>
> It can be quite heavy if unwieldy or very low to the floor for gripping.

Especially after several hours. Sure.

But I changed my view. I did Zercher stepups today and I feel it under
my shoulder blades. Probably normal, but today I paid attention. If OP
has a soreness related to this kind of strain (carrying anything in
front of you seem similar to Zercher lifts) I'm not sure if deadlift
variation will solve the problem. It may be an overuse injury, which
you can't fix by strengthening the whole structure. Anyway, I seriously
doubt that any machine will too.

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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>>>> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>>>>> albert gilmore wrote:
>>>>>>> I handle a lot of heavy material at work 20-50 lbs depending on the
>>>>>>> situation and spend a lot of time hunched over a grinder with the material.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After a few hours I start to get tight in the mid/upper back
>>>>>>> area(if my arms are at my sides the soreness runs in a striaght line from
>>>>>>> elbow to elbow) My doctor suggested I
>>>>>>> do back exercises and getting down on the floor isn't possible because of my
>>>>>>> knees. So I'm looking for something that I don't have to get on the floor to
>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think a total body approach with specific focus on the back would be
>>>>>> better, including focus on hamstring flexibility. It will probably help
>>>>>> your knees as well, which will in turn offer benefits to your back over
>>>>>> time. As a specific mid back anaerobic endurance exercise, I've found
>>>>>> high rep rack deadlifts very good.
>>>>> Romanian deadlifts work probably even better, and you don't need a rack
>>>>> for them. I'll explain how to do them when asked (note to OP, of
>>>>> course).
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>> They're more of a lower back and hamstrings movement, though.
>>> True. But as it happens, I suspect that weak hams and incorrect way of
>>> lifting are at least a part of his problem. Have you seen people
>>> lifting "heavy material" of 50 lbs?
>>>
>>
>>
>> It can be quite heavy if unwieldy or very low to the floor for gripping.
>
> Especially after several hours. Sure.
>
> But I changed my view. I did Zercher stepups today and I feel it under
> my shoulder blades. Probably normal, but today I paid attention. If OP
> has a soreness related to this kind of strain (carrying anything in
> front of you seem similar to Zercher lifts) I'm not sure if deadlift
> variation will solve the problem. It may be an overuse injury, which
> you can't fix by strengthening the whole structure. Anyway, I seriously
> doubt that any machine will too.
>

Pretty much agreed regarding the machines. It's a plate loaded one
anyway - might as well get a back extension bench and hold the plates on
your chest!

I'll have to have another look at Zercher lifts.

I took 'sore' to mean aching from a lot of work, not sore like
tendonitis sore.

Ari

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:38:54 +0200, Andrzej Rosa wrote:

> I did Zercher stepups today and I feel it under
> my shoulder blades. Probably normal, but today I paid attention.

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Thanks for the deadlift suggestions they seem to be working well. Back
soreness/stiffness is just about gone.

Shame there isn't a way to make the blocks load themselves onto the
machines.


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> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>>> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>>>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>>>>> Dnia 2008-04-22 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>>>>>> albert gilmore wrote:
>>>>>>>> I handle a lot of heavy material at work 20-50 lbs depending on the
>>>>>>>> situation and spend a lot of time hunched over a grinder with the
>>>>>>>> material.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After a few hours I start to get tight in the mid/upper back
>>>>>>>> area(if my arms are at my sides the soreness runs in a striaght
>>>>>>>> line from elbow to elbow) My doctor suggested I
>>>>>>>> do back exercises and getting down on the floor isn't possible
>>>>>>>> because of my knees. So I'm looking for something that I don't have
>>>>>>>> to get on the floor to use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think a total body approach with specific focus on the back would
>>>>>>> be better, including focus on hamstring flexibility. It will
>>>>>>> probably help your knees as well, which will in turn offer benefits
>>>>>>> to your back over time. As a specific mid back anaerobic endurance
>>>>>>> exercise, I've found high rep rack deadlifts very good.
>>>>>> Romanian deadlifts work probably even better, and you don't need a
>>>>>> rack
>>>>>> for them. I'll explain how to do them when asked (note to OP, of
>>>>>> course).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>> They're more of a lower back and hamstrings movement, though.
>>>> True. But as it happens, I suspect that weak hams and incorrect way of
>>>> lifting are at least a part of his problem. Have you seen people
>>>> lifting "heavy material" of 50 lbs?
>>>
>>>
>>> It can be quite heavy if unwieldy or very low to the floor for gripping.
>>
>> Especially after several hours. Sure. But I changed my view. I did
>> Zercher stepups today and I feel it under
>> my shoulder blades. Probably normal, but today I paid attention. If OP
>> has a soreness related to this kind of strain (carrying anything in
>> front of you seem similar to Zercher lifts) I'm not sure if deadlift
>> variation will solve the problem. It may be an overuse injury, which
>> you can't fix by strengthening the whole structure. Anyway, I seriously
>> doubt that any machine will too.
>>
>
> Pretty much agreed regarding the machines. It's a plate loaded one
> anyway - might as well get a back extension bench and hold the plates on
> your chest!
>
> I'll have to have another look at Zercher lifts.
>
> I took 'sore' to mean aching from a lot of work, not sore like tendonitis
> sore.
>
> Ari
>
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