routines for a young lifter

I am starting my 11 year old son with some weightlifting. Not pushing
too much to start with. Starting out light and working up. I have a
pretty good set of olympic free weights in the basement with a squat
rack.

Anyway, I have started him out using a routine from Don Ross's book.
The routine is posted at...

http://strength-training.wikidot.com...tion-routine-1

I am wondering what people think of this routine for a young lifter
just starting out, or if you have any suggestions for something
different.

Thanks,
Greg

I think the beginner's routine listed here would be ok
http://www.weighttrainersunited.com/beginner.html

<gnbonney@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I am starting my 11 year old son with some weightlifting. Not pushing
> too much to start with. Starting out light and working up. I have a
> pretty good set of olympic free weights in the basement with a squat
> rack.
>
> Anyway, I have started him out using a routine from Don Ross's book.
> The routine is posted at...
>
> http://strength-training.wikidot.com...tion-routine-1
>
> I am wondering what people think of this routine for a young lifter
> just starting out, or if you have any suggestions for something
> different.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg

In article
<1dddb266-338e-4055-93b8-83aee6e35651@62g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
gnbonney@gmail.com wrote:

> I am starting my 11 year old son with some weightlifting. Not pushing
> too much to start with. Starting out light and working up. I have a
> pretty good set of olympic free weights in the basement with a squat
> rack.
>
> Anyway, I have started him out using a routine from Don Ross's book.
> The routine is posted at...
>
> http://strength-training.wikidot.com...oundation-rout
> ine-1
>
> I am wondering what people think of this routine for a young lifter
> just starting out, or if you have any suggestions for something
> different.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg

Depends. Why is he lifting? If he is just trying to build muscle it
isn't bad. If he is trying to develop strength for a sport it is pretty
crappy.

--
Keith

On Feb 26, 1:08 pm, Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article
> <1dddb266-338e-4055-93b8-83aee6e35...@62g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> gnbon...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I am starting my 11 year old son with some weightlifting. Not pushing
> > too much to start with. Starting out light and working up. I have a
> > pretty good set of olympic free weights in the basement with a squat
> > rack.
>
> > Anyway, I have started him out using a routine from Don Ross's book.
> > The routine is posted at...
>
> >http://strength-training.wikidot.com...routine:founda...
> > ine-1
>
> > I am wondering what people think of this routine for a young lifter
> > just starting out, or if you have any suggestions for something
> > different.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Greg
>
> Depends. Why is he lifting? If he is just trying to build muscle it
> isn't bad. If he is trying to develop strength for a sport it is pretty
> crappy.
>
> --
> Keith

Thanks, Keith. His main sport is basketball.

Greg

If your 11 yrs son is not having a good height then I will suggest you
not to make him work out in weight lifting.

Weight lifting will cease height boosting.

Take care

bye

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you can achieve anything (i know, its cliche, but very true!)

i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be adverse.

just my 2 c.

cheers

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In article
<f93dd2f2-d230-429e-849a-5bd7ed09fd65@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Ira.Kovac@gmail.com wrote:

> i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be adverse.
>
> just my 2 c.

This whole idea has been studied and debunked.

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article
> <f93dd2f2-d230-429e-849a-5bd7ed09fd65@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Ira.Kovac@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be adverse.
>>
>> just my 2 c.
>
> This whole idea has been studied and debunked.
>
> --
> Keith

Agreed!

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:59:57 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article
><f93dd2f2-d230-429e-849a-5bd7ed09fd65@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Ira.Kovac@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be adverse.
>>
>> just my 2 c.
>
>This whole idea has been studied and debunked.

But note that Keith's teenage daughter is only 1.3m (about 4 feet) tall.

On Feb 27, 2:59 pm, Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article
> <f93dd2f2-d230-429e-849a-5bd7ed09f...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Ira.Ko...@gmail.com wrote:
> > i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be adverse.
>
> > just my 2 c.
>
> This whole idea has been studied and debunked.
>
> --
> Keith

No worries. I'm 6' 2" and started lifting when I was about his age.
My brother who never got into weight training is significantly shorter
than me.

"GregB" <gnbonney@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 27, 2:59 pm, Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <f93dd2f2-d230-429e-849a-5bd7ed09f...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> Ira.Ko...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be adverse.
>>
>> > just my 2 c.
>>
>> This whole idea has been studied and debunked.
>>
>> --
>> Keith
>
> No worries. I'm 6' 2" and started lifting when I was about his age.
> My brother who never got into weight training is significantly shorter
> than me.

I must be so short because I didn't start lifting till later in my life.

In article <obrbs3p0ou26tks8nvj4hlhn39v145hlv8@4ax.com>,
Lucas Buck <sbcpark@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:59:57 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><f93dd2f2-d230-429e-849a-5bd7ed09fd65@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > Ira.Kovac@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be adverse.
> >>
> >> just my 2 c.
> >
> >This whole idea has been studied and debunked.
>
> But note that Keith's teenage daughter is only 1.3m (about 4 feet) tall.

Her legs, you mean?

--
Keith

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:40:04 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <obrbs3p0ou26tks8nvj4hlhn39v145hlv8@4ax.com>,
> Lucas Buck <sbcpark@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:59:57 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article
>> ><f93dd2f2-d230-429e-849a-5bd7ed09fd65@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Ira.Kovac@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be adverse.
>> >>
>> >> just my 2 c.
>> >
>> >This whole idea has been studied and debunked.
>>
>> But note that Keith's teenage daughter is only 1.3m (about 4 feet) tall.
>
>Her legs, you mean?

jpegs please

On Feb 27, 3:59 pm, Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article
> <f93dd2f2-d230-429e-849a-5bd7ed09f...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Ira.Ko...@gmail.com wrote:
> > i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be adverse.
>
> > just my 2 c.
>
> This whole idea has been studied and debunked.
>
> --
> Keith


A lot of things have been studied and debunked, then restudied and
reinstated.

They still can't figure a basic issue like out why muscles tire, or
whether stretching helps at all. They don't know how much protein is
needed, or how much can be taken in at one meal without going,
literally, to waste/waist...I wouldn't too sure about anything in
physiology and exercise science.

In article
<daec736e-ec50-44b9-af58-db51244ccba7@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Feb 27, 3:59 pm, Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <f93dd2f2-d230-429e-849a-5bd7ed09f...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Ira.Ko...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be adverse.
> >
> > > just my 2 c.
> >
> > This whole idea has been studied and debunked.
> >
> > --
> > Keith
>
>
> A lot of things have been studied and debunked, then restudied and
> reinstated.
>
> They still can't figure a basic issue like out why muscles tire, or
> whether stretching helps at all. They don't know how much protein is
> needed, or how much can be taken in at one meal without going,
> literally, to waste/waist...I wouldn't too sure about anything in
> physiology and exercise science.

BTW - why the name change?

--
Keith

Hobbes wrote:
> In article
> <daec736e-ec50-44b9-af58-db51244ccba7@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> On Feb 27, 3:59 pm, Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <f93dd2f2-d230-429e-849a-5bd7ed09f...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>
>>> Ira.Ko...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be
>>>> adverse. just my 2 c.
>>>
>>> This whole idea has been studied and debunked.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Keith
>>
>>
>> A lot of things have been studied and debunked, then restudied and
>> reinstated.
>>
>> They still can't figure a basic issue like out why muscles tire, or
>> whether stretching helps at all. They don't know how much protein is
>> needed, or how much can be taken in at one meal without going,
>> literally, to waste/waist...I wouldn't too sure about anything in
>> physiology and exercise science.
>
> BTW - why the name change?

he has a split personality.......

In article
<daec736e-ec50-44b9-af58-db51244ccba7@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Feb 27, 3:59 pm, Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <f93dd2f2-d230-429e-849a-5bd7ed09f...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Ira.Ko...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > i'd be very careful as the impact on his future height may be adverse.
> >
> > > just my 2 c.
> >
> > This whole idea has been studied and debunked.
> >
> > --
> > Keith
>
>
> A lot of things have been studied and debunked, then restudied and
> reinstated.
>
> They still can't figure a basic issue like out why muscles tire, or
> whether stretching helps at all. They don't know how much protein is
> needed, or how much can be taken in at one meal without going,
> literally, to waste/waist...I wouldn't too sure about anything in
> physiology and exercise science.

Common sense still roolz. If the forces generated by jumping and landing
(as in basketball) are much higher than the forces generated by
weightlifting than it becomes obvious that force generated is not a
factor in terms of potential growth impairment. If so - what is? The
reality is that smaller teenagers are more likely to be attracted to
weightlifting - because they want to be bigger and because they have
advantageous leverages.

And they do know why muscles tire. "Stretching" is too general a term,
but they do know that static stretching prior to exercise doesn't reduce
injuries. As far as nutrition goes - there are good general guidelines,
but obviously there is some variation.

Exercise science is a growing body of knowledge and its efficacy is
demonstrated by world records constantly being improved upon.

--
Keith

On Feb 29, 3:30 pm, Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> BTW - why the name change?
>
> --
> Keith

GoogleGroups only allows a certain number of posts before they
temporarily lock you out. Doesn't prevent the MI5 spam and shit, of
course, but like any other security measure, only inconveniences the
citizens. Ergo, multiple google accounts.

Fucking stupid people and their stupid rules.

On Feb 29, 3:35 pm, "Me" <m...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
> he has a split personality.......


It's 2008; e-mail is free, you know.

In article
<37a53c3d-ce46-447a-bf1d-0a7cc23b36d3@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Feb 29, 3:30 pm, Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > BTW - why the name change?
> >
> > --
> > Keith
>
> GoogleGroups only allows a certain number of posts before they
> temporarily lock you out. Doesn't prevent the MI5 spam and shit, of
> course, but like any other security measure, only inconveniences the
> citizens. Ergo, multiple google accounts.

Ahh.

Well, I have to admit I like the attitude about rules. Gotta agree. It
seems like half the jobs around my office are just people making up
stupid rules to justify their existence.

--
Keith

On Feb 29, 3:29 pm, Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Common sense still roolz.

If there's anything the history of scientific experiment and research
demonstrates, it's that so-called "common sense" is an unreliable
indicator of physical truth.

> If the forces generated by jumping and landing
> (as in basketball) are much higher than the forces generated by
> weightlifting than it becomes obvious that force generated is not a
> factor in terms of potential growth impairment.

No, one does not disprove the other. There may be other factors
involved in height which adolescent weight-training affects
negatively.

> If so - what is? The
> reality is that smaller teenagers are more likely to be attracted to
> weightlifting - because they want to be bigger and because they have
> advantageous leverages.

Sure, that's certainly the case. But that does not prove that teenage
weight-training doesn't stunt height.

> And they do know why muscles tire.

No they don't. Muscles stop contracting, but it ain't due to lack of
ATP in 'em, nor due to lactic acid build-up (indeed, lactic acid
concentrations decrease at a certain point during continuous
exercise).

> "Stretching" is too general a term,
> but they do know that static stretching prior to exercise doesn't reduce
> injuries.

No stretching -- ballistic, dynamic, etc. -- has been found to be
beneficial. The point is, physiology and exercise science is at an
infant stage still.

> As far as nutrition goes - there are good general guidelines,
> but obviously there is some variation.

There is such great variation that it really makes no sense to claim
to know eternal truths.

> Exercise science is a growing body of knowledge and its efficacy is
> demonstrated by world records constantly being improved upon.

Correlation is not causation. Are we a more lawful society because we
have so many lawyers? Are the Chinese more technologically advanced
because they produce many more engineers?

> --
> Keith

In article
<ed269997-88b3-48f2-8aca-029bc2318be6@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> No they don't. Muscles stop contracting, but it ain't due to lack of
> ATP in 'em, nor due to lactic acid build-up (indeed, lactic acid
> concentrations decrease at a certain point during continuous
> exercise).

True, it certainly isn't ATP or lactic acid. There are about a dozen
factors (neural factors are obviously important), but the key
physiological factor is calcium leakage.

--
Keith