Shoulder Report - Torn Labrum

Here is the MRI report on my injured left shoulder for anyone
interested. It's pretty much in medico-speak so I plan to annotate it
to make it more understandable by me and anyone else.

http://www.kbnj.com/ShoulderMRI.htm

Short story:

1) Large tear in the labrum plus signs of arthritis in the joint.

2) Orthopedist recommends surgery but says there's no need to hurry.
This will likely stay just as it is indefinitely - it won't get better
and it won't get worse unless I do something to further injure it.

3) Ortho also says if it doesn't hurt, I can still do it, and
specifically OK'ed deadlifting and kettlebell swings.

4) Current, tentative plan is to have it fixed in a couple of months.
Rehab is six weeks in a sling including passive PT followed by a gradual
resumption of normal activity including active PT over the following
months.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In article <6frn94FclpinU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> Here is the MRI report on my injured left shoulder for anyone
> interested. It's pretty much in medico-speak so I plan to annotate it
> to make it more understandable by me and anyone else.
>
> http://www.kbnj.com/ShoulderMRI.htm
>
> Short story:
>
> 1) Large tear in the labrum plus signs of arthritis in the joint.
>
> 2) Orthopedist recommends surgery but says there's no need to hurry.
> This will likely stay just as it is indefinitely - it won't get better
> and it won't get worse unless I do something to further injure it.
>
> 3) Ortho also says if it doesn't hurt, I can still do it, and
> specifically OK'ed deadlifting and kettlebell swings.
>
> 4) Current, tentative plan is to have it fixed in a couple of months.
> Rehab is six weeks in a sling including passive PT followed by a gradual
> resumption of normal activity including active PT over the following
> months.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com

Couple of questions and comments here.

What do you attribute the tear too? Shoulder capsule damage is
notoriously difficult to rehab - inflammation affects so much movement.
Is the damage caused by OH lifts, in your opinion.

Also - I wonder if there is a person alive who actually moves who
doesn't have some signs of arthritis? It just seems to be a catch-all
type term.

"Keith" <hobbes@tigger.com> wrote in message
news:hobbes-BCFDEE.13274505082008@news.sasktel.net...
> In article <6frn94FclpinU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is the MRI report on my injured left shoulder for anyone
>> interested. It's pretty much in medico-speak so I plan to annotate
>> it
>> to make it more understandable by me and anyone else.
>>
>> http://www.kbnj.com/ShoulderMRI.htm
>>
>> Short story:
>>
>> 1) Large tear in the labrum plus signs of arthritis in the joint.
>>
>> 2) Orthopedist recommends surgery but says there's no need to hurry.
>> This will likely stay just as it is indefinitely - it won't get
>> better
>> and it won't get worse unless I do something to further injure it.
>>
>> 3) Ortho also says if it doesn't hurt, I can still do it, and
>> specifically OK'ed deadlifting and kettlebell swings.
>>
>> 4) Current, tentative plan is to have it fixed in a couple of
>> months.
>> Rehab is six weeks in a sling including passive PT followed by a
>> gradual
>> resumption of normal activity including active PT over the following
>> months.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>
> Couple of questions and comments here.
>
> What do you attribute the tear too?

You are the umpteenth person to ask, and I don't have a firm answer but
I believe, in a nutshell, it was overtraining. I was following a
program I'd read about "by the book" and think I basically did too
much - lighter, less volume, more recovery days - any of those would
have helped my cause. I decided to be a tough guy and paid the price.
I have, almost always in the past, not gotten sucked in by the attitude
that you have to follow the program, even if you don't feel like it. I
decided to pay less attention to the messages from my body this time and
hope I don't make that mistake again.

Specifically, I did a lot of overhead pressing, weighted pullups, and
getups, and set several new personal bests shortly before I stopped
lifting - I set these bests with the tear in my shoulder. The biggest
change, though, was the amount of weight I lifted in a given period of
time; my usual habit was to do everything in short sets on long rests
and I didn't do that.

> Shoulder capsule damage is
> notoriously difficult to rehab - inflammation affects so much
> movement.
> Is the damage caused by OH lifts, in your opinion.

Answered above. It is amazing - to me, at least - how much I can still
do, including overhead lifting, e.g., I can snatch a 24 kg for reps
completely pain-free, and I can do kettlebell windmills in comfort as
well, likewise bodyweight pullups for a few reps. Basically, following
the tips for shoulder health that I already knew, but following them
better than I did, allows me to still do quite a bit.

> Also - I wonder if there is a person alive who actually moves who
> doesn't have some signs of arthritis? It just seems to be a catch-all
> type term.

I will see the doctor again before the surgery and ask specifically if
there is anything they want to do about the signs of arthritis they saw.
It is possible, although I don't know how likely, that I got into a
funny groove with my shoulder in order to avoid pain caused by
arthritis. Even with an MRI, it's tough to firmly determine cause and
effect.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In article <6frn94FclpinU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> Here is the MRI report on my injured left shoulder for anyone
> interested. It's pretty much in medico-speak so I plan to annotate it
> to make it more understandable by me and anyone else.
>
> http://www.kbnj.com/ShoulderMRI.htm
>
> Short story:
>
> 1) Large tear in the labrum plus signs of arthritis in the joint.
>
> 2) Orthopedist recommends surgery but says there's no need to hurry.
> This will likely stay just as it is indefinitely - it won't get better
> and it won't get worse unless I do something to further injure it.
>
> 3) Ortho also says if it doesn't hurt, I can still do it, and
> specifically OK'ed deadlifting and kettlebell swings.
>
> 4) Current, tentative plan is to have it fixed in a couple of months.
> Rehab is six weeks in a sling including passive PT followed by a gradual
> resumption of normal activity including active PT over the following
> months.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com

Wow... Best of luck with that.
Will the surgery be done by 'scope?
--
Peace! Om

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

"Omelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
newsmpomelet-96B93E.20473805082008@news.giganews.com...
> In article <6frn94FclpinU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is the MRI report on my injured left shoulder for anyone
>> interested. It's pretty much in medico-speak so I plan to annotate it
>> to make it more understandable by me and anyone else.
>>
Steve, did you get hurt on you bike?

You never answered when I asked about your cycling!

Burr

On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:27:45 -0600, Keith <hobbes@tigger.com> wrote:

>What do you attribute the tear to?

Two words: kettlebell virus

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"Omelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
newsmpomelet-96B93E.20473805082008@news.giganews.com...
> In article <6frn94FclpinU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is the MRI report on my injured left shoulder for anyone
>> interested. It's pretty much in medico-speak so I plan to annotate
>> it
>> to make it more understandable by me and anyone else.
>>
>> http://www.kbnj.com/ShoulderMRI.htm
>>
>> Short story:
>>
>> 1) Large tear in the labrum plus signs of arthritis in the joint.
>>
>> 2) Orthopedist recommends surgery but says there's no need to hurry.
>> This will likely stay just as it is indefinitely - it won't get
>> better
>> and it won't get worse unless I do something to further injure it.
>>
>> 3) Ortho also says if it doesn't hurt, I can still do it, and
>> specifically OK'ed deadlifting and kettlebell swings.
>>
>> 4) Current, tentative plan is to have it fixed in a couple of
>> months.
>> Rehab is six weeks in a sling including passive PT followed by a
>> gradual
>> resumption of normal activity including active PT over the following
>> months.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>
> Wow... Best of luck with that.
> Will the surgery be done by 'scope?

Apparently not. The doctor said they 'scope when there are little
fragments that need to be shaved down, but for this, it's traditional
surgery.

I have an appointment to get a second opinion in a couple of weeks, this
from a different kind of doctor, a chiro who also does some Chinese
medicine (acupuncture, I believe) and comes very highly recommended. I
also can't afford the time with my arm in a sling for at least another
couple of months, anyway, so I will keep living with this, doing what I
can, and we'll see what happens. Surgery will be mid-October at the
very earliest, and might be as late at January of next year.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Omelet wrote:
> In article <6frn94FclpinU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is the MRI report on my injured left shoulder for anyone
>> interested. It's pretty much in medico-speak so I plan to annotate it
>> to make it more understandable by me and anyone else.
>>
>> http://www.kbnj.com/ShoulderMRI.htm
>>
>> Short story:
>>
>> 1) Large tear in the labrum plus signs of arthritis in the joint.
>>
>> 2) Orthopedist recommends surgery but says there's no need to hurry.
>> This will likely stay just as it is indefinitely - it won't get better
>> and it won't get worse unless I do something to further injure it.
>>
>> 3) Ortho also says if it doesn't hurt, I can still do it, and
>> specifically OK'ed deadlifting and kettlebell swings.
>>
>> 4) Current, tentative plan is to have it fixed in a couple of months.
>> Rehab is six weeks in a sling including passive PT followed by a gradual
>> resumption of normal activity including active PT over the following
>> months.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>
> Wow... Best of luck with that.
> Will the surgery be done by 'scope?

They need to use a rifle or is that just to shoot Steve from a distance?


Bob

On Aug 5, 10:31*pm, Lucas Buck <sbcp...@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:27:45 -0600, Keith <hob...@tigger.com> wrote:
> >What do you attribute the tear to?
>
> Two words: kettlebell virus

Funny stuff.

Still, wishing you a speedy and full recovery, Freides.

--

On Aug 6, 1:35*am, Bob Volkmer <m...@volkmer.biz> wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
[...]

> > Will the surgery be done by 'scope?
>
> They need to use a rifle or is that just to shoot Steve from a distance?
>
> Bob

heh

Pavel will finish him with some diabolical Russian death grip.

--

In article <6fskdjFd1guiU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> "Omelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
> newsmpomelet-96B93E.20473805082008@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <6frn94FclpinU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Here is the MRI report on my injured left shoulder for anyone
> >> interested. It's pretty much in medico-speak so I plan to annotate
> >> it
> >> to make it more understandable by me and anyone else.
> >>
> >> http://www.kbnj.com/ShoulderMRI.htm
> >>
> >> Short story:
> >>
> >> 1) Large tear in the labrum plus signs of arthritis in the joint.
> >>
> >> 2) Orthopedist recommends surgery but says there's no need to hurry.
> >> This will likely stay just as it is indefinitely - it won't get
> >> better
> >> and it won't get worse unless I do something to further injure it.
> >>
> >> 3) Ortho also says if it doesn't hurt, I can still do it, and
> >> specifically OK'ed deadlifting and kettlebell swings.
> >>
> >> 4) Current, tentative plan is to have it fixed in a couple of
> >> months.
> >> Rehab is six weeks in a sling including passive PT followed by a
> >> gradual
> >> resumption of normal activity including active PT over the following
> >> months.
> >>
> >> -S-
> >> http://www.kbnj.com
> >
> > Wow... Best of luck with that.
> > Will the surgery be done by 'scope?
>
> Apparently not. The doctor said they 'scope when there are little
> fragments that need to be shaved down, but for this, it's traditional
> surgery.
>
> I have an appointment to get a second opinion in a couple of weeks, this
> from a different kind of doctor, a chiro who also does some Chinese
> medicine (acupuncture, I believe) and comes very highly recommended. I
> also can't afford the time with my arm in a sling for at least another
> couple of months, anyway, so I will keep living with this, doing what I
> can, and we'll see what happens. Surgery will be mid-October at the
> very earliest, and might be as late at January of next year.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com

Hm.

Might seriously want to get a second opinion on that. Arthroscopic
surgery has come a long way.
--
Peace! Om

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

In article <L_OdnaTOtO6-pQTVnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@posted.internode>,
Bob Volkmer <mfw@volkmer.biz> wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article <6frn94FclpinU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Here is the MRI report on my injured left shoulder for anyone
> >> interested. It's pretty much in medico-speak so I plan to annotate it
> >> to make it more understandable by me and anyone else.
> >>
> >> http://www.kbnj.com/ShoulderMRI.htm
> >>
> >> Short story:
> >>
> >> 1) Large tear in the labrum plus signs of arthritis in the joint.
> >>
> >> 2) Orthopedist recommends surgery but says there's no need to hurry.
> >> This will likely stay just as it is indefinitely - it won't get better
> >> and it won't get worse unless I do something to further injure it.
> >>
> >> 3) Ortho also says if it doesn't hurt, I can still do it, and
> >> specifically OK'ed deadlifting and kettlebell swings.
> >>
> >> 4) Current, tentative plan is to have it fixed in a couple of months.
> >> Rehab is six weeks in a sling including passive PT followed by a gradual
> >> resumption of normal activity including active PT over the following
> >> months.
> >>
> >> -S-
> >> http://www.kbnj.com
> >
> > Wow... Best of luck with that.
> > Will the surgery be done by 'scope?
>
> They need to use a rifle or is that just to shoot Steve from a distance?
>
>
> Bob

<snicker>

His problem is more fixable than mine...
--
Peace! Om

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:34:11 -0400, "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

>"Omelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
>newsmpomelet-96B93E.20473805082008@news.giganews.com...
>> In article <6frn94FclpinU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the MRI report on my injured left shoulder for anyone
>>> interested. It's pretty much in medico-speak so I plan to annotate
>>> it
>>> to make it more understandable by me and anyone else.
>>>
>>> http://www.kbnj.com/ShoulderMRI.htm
>>>
>>> Short story:
>>>
>>> 1) Large tear in the labrum plus signs of arthritis in the joint.
>>>
>>> 2) Orthopedist recommends surgery but says there's no need to hurry.
>>> This will likely stay just as it is indefinitely - it won't get
>>> better
>>> and it won't get worse unless I do something to further injure it.
>>>
>>> 3) Ortho also says if it doesn't hurt, I can still do it, and
>>> specifically OK'ed deadlifting and kettlebell swings.
>>>
>>> 4) Current, tentative plan is to have it fixed in a couple of
>>> months.
>>> Rehab is six weeks in a sling including passive PT followed by a
>>> gradual
>>> resumption of normal activity including active PT over the following
>>> months.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>> Wow... Best of luck with that.
>> Will the surgery be done by 'scope?
>
>Apparently not. The doctor said they 'scope when there are little
>fragments that need to be shaved down, but for this, it's traditional
>surgery.
>
>I have an appointment to get a second opinion in a couple of weeks, this
>from a different kind of doctor, a chiro who also does some Chinese
>medicine (acupuncture, I believe) and comes very highly recommended.

Lyle had been with prostitutes everywhere in the world, but in Hong Kong he met his undoing. He made
love to a very sick Chinese whore and picked up so many venereal diseases that the doctors had
difficulty separating and identifying them all.

He went to a prominent urologist in the American quarter who examined him and shook his head. "Bad
news, Lyle. You must have immediate surgery and we have got to cut your cock off."

Lyle went into traumatic shock at the prognosis. Gathering himself together, he went across the
street to another American doctor. There he was told the same thing.

He went out into the street in a daze. Stumbling along, he found himself in the Chinese quarter,
where he saw a sign identifying the office of a Taoist Chinese surgeon.

Deciding to have one more medical opinion, Lyle went in. He told the Chinese doctor that he had been
to two American doctors and both of them wanted to perform immediate surgery to cut off his cock.

The Chinese surgeon examined Lyle. He consulted large medical books. Then he examined him again.

"Is there any hope, doc?" Lyle asked plaintively.

"Hope, yes!" the doctor said. "I make complete examination. I know just what is wrong. You play with
Chinese girl, but she vewy sick. You make mistake and go to American doctor. Twouble with American
doctors, they always think money, money, money only."

Lyle brightened up. "You mean I don't need surgery? My cock does not have to be cut off?"

"Fohget what they say. Go home," the Chinese doctor repeated, as he handed Lyle a tube of ointment
labeled only with Chinese pictographs. "No surgery. Go home. Apply cleam thlee times a day."

"Keep doing daiwy for two, maybe thlee weeks."

"Pecker fall off all by himself."


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