some beginner questions

On 23 Oct 2006 17:30:23 -0700, ultima_xyj@hotmail.com wrote:

>I find cycling to be more difficult than trendmill but that's about the
>only other equipment I can find there that burns more energy than
>trendmill.
>
>I'm currently doing 5.5, yet I plan to increase the speed gradually
>until probably around 6.5. Also I have changed my schedule so that I
>will be on the trendmill for 1 hr instead of 30 minutes. I hope that
>will be enough to let me see some results in 2 months' time.

I forgot to ask you how many days a week you where going. If your
are going 3 days a week you should probably do at least 45 minutes.
You might get away with less if you are very overweight and out of
shape since you will be getting a heavier workout. Or if you plan to
go more often than that. No need to go more than an hour on a single
day though. On the treadmill I can only go just so fast because I am
not able to run or jog. I can only fast walk so it doesn't burn off
as much calories. If you are capable of doing a full sprint then
naturally your going to burn more calories on it. I wouldn't
recommended it unless you are coordinated enough not to get hurt.

If the bike is harder than it might be good to do at least some of
that. For instance you could do 20 minutes on the bike and 20 on the
treadmill. Or you could do ten minutes on the bike and 35 on the
treadmill. Use the bike to get your heart going a little more. The
goal is to go fast enough to at least breaking a sweat but still be
able to talk. That area is sort of your threshold where you will get
the best workout.

Don't worry if you don't lose weight your first week. But by your
second an third you should start seeing some results on the scale or
it isn't working. You should be able to burn off at least 1.5 pounds
per week. If you are looking for more than that then you will either
need a more intense workout or to cut a lot of food out of your diet.

Hope that helps.

David Cohen wrote:
> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
>>>>>> "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
>>>>
>>>>>>> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll
>>>>>>> provide you
>>>>>>> with instructions on how to drink beer.
>>>>
>>>>>> I sure as hell could use that.
>>>>>> I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
>>>>
>>>>>> Whats the best way to drink it?
>>>>
>>>>> I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer
>>>>> with <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many
>>>>> ways.
>>>>
>>>> Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for
>>>> beer in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
>>>
>>> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real
>>> beer". Recommend a few that are available down here.
>>
>> I'm not sure what is available down there,
>
> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
>
>> but a good rule of thumb is
>> you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a
>> few decent beers that aren't dark, but...
>
> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
>
> David

Newcastle Brown Ale; I'm sure I've drunk that in LV!

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

ultima_xyj@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Your co-worker is wrong. You cannot target fat on a specific area of
>> the body. And you cannot convert fat to muscle. You can lose fat
>> and gain muscle. And you can lose a percentage of fat all over
>> which will decrease the belly.
>>
>> The treadmill and speed you are using might not be enough to get the
>> fat off. You may need to go faster or for a longer period of time.
>> Or use another cardio equipment which gets better results.
>>
>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do they
>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to a
>> decent level is important for burning calories.
>
> I find cycling to be more difficult than trendmill but that's about
> the only other equipment I can find there that burns more energy than
> trendmill.
>
> I'm currently doing 5.5, yet I plan to increase the speed gradually
> until probably around 6.5. Also I have changed my schedule so that I
> will be on the trendmill for 1 hr instead of 30 minutes. I hope that
> will be enough to let me see some results in 2 months' time.

Just be careful if you start getting sort shins. If you are greatly
overweight, you would be way better of doing some none load-bearing exercise
such as the bike or rowing machine.

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

In article <eT9%g.13976$Y24.2197@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> > > "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> >> > > > "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
> >> >
> >> > > >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little
> >> > > >> about
> >> > > >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
> >> >
> >> > > >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide
> >> > > >> you
> >> > > >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
> >> >
> >> > > > I sure as hell could use that.
> >> > > > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
> >> >
> >> > > > Whats the best way to drink it?
> >> >
> >> > > I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer with
> >> > > <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.
> >> >
> >> > Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
> >> >
> >> > OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for beer
> >> > in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
> >>
> >> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real beer".
> >> Recommend a few that are available down here.
> >
> > I'm not sure what is available down there,
>
> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
>
> > but a good rule of thumb is
> > you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a few
> > decent beers that aren't dark, but...
>
> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.

Rickards Red (Canuck beer)

Newcastle Brown (Brit beer)

Traditional Ale (Canuck beer)

--
Keith

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:24:39 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <eT9%g.13976$Y24.2197@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
>> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> > > "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
>> >> > > > "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little
>> >> > > >> about
>> >> > > >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide
>> >> > > >> you
>> >> > > >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
>> >> >
>> >> > > > I sure as hell could use that.
>> >> > > > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
>> >> >
>> >> > > > Whats the best way to drink it?
>> >> >
>> >> > > I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer with
>> >> > > <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.
>> >> >
>> >> > Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
>> >> >
>> >> > OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for beer
>> >> > in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
>> >>
>> >> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real beer".
>> >> Recommend a few that are available down here.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure what is available down there,
>>
>> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
>>
>> > but a good rule of thumb is
>> > you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a few
>> > decent beers that aren't dark, but...
>>
>> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
>
>Rickards Red (Canuck beer)
>
>Newcastle Brown (Brit beer)
>
>Traditional Ale (Canuck beer)

What about the draft Guinness Keith? ;o)

In article <5caqj2l5dh9v19euel1nhk05fucfsbmtlp@4ax.com>,
Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:40:24 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <kogpj2tuv5jv67ner4gdrsc8t2uuf66327@4ax.com>,
> > Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You would be surprised what a fat person can do. I have seen fat
> >> people workout many times harder then their skinny counterparts.
> >
> >No, I wouldn't.
> >
> >They are working hard because they are in crappy shape. They are nowhere
> >near their lactic threshold or 80-85% of their aerobic capacity.
> >
> >Not just the fat guy either. The average person. You pretty much have to
> >be able to run (not jog or walk) a marathon to get in the 'fat-burning'
> >zone.
>
> So your saying a fat person can't lose weight because they are not in
> shape. Wow that is pure genius.
>
> FYI they are working hard because they are carrying extra weight.
> That means they don't have to go as long or as hard to get a better
> workout. Try strapping a 100 pounds your back and see if you can run
> a marathon with it. I can't believe your sitting here telling a
> person can't loose weight by exercise unless they run a marathon. You
> must have been living under bridge for the past 50 years.
>

Are you kidding me? I said "caloric deficit" is the key. Exercise helps
- all kind. You are the one who said something along the lines of "only
aerobic exercise burns fat". Aerobic exercise burns calories, but the
idea the average person can specifically burn fat cells is wrong. They
can't exercise intensely enough for long enough.

Read what I write and don't bother with your paraphrases - you aren't
even close!

--
Keith

In article <32158@237425568.2416523577.12051.971.3482>,
DZ <8051@286583430.408613923.7537.13633.16350> wrote:

> Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>> You would be surprised what a fat person can do. I have seen fat
> >>> people workout many times harder then their skinny counterparts.
> >>
> >>No, I wouldn't.
> >>
> >>They are working hard because they are in crappy shape. They are nowhere
> >>near their lactic threshold or 80-85% of their aerobic capacity.
> >>
> >>Not just the fat guy either. The average person. You pretty much have to
> >>be able to run (not jog or walk) a marathon to get in the 'fat-burning'
> >>zone.
> >
> > So your saying a fat person can't lose weight because they are not
> > in shape. Wow that is pure genius. FYI they are working hard
> > because they are carrying extra weight. That means they don't have
> > to go as long or as hard to get a better workout. Try strapping a
> > 100 pounds your back and see if you can run a marathon with it. I
> > can't believe your sitting here telling a person can't loose weight
> > by exercise unless they run a marathon. You must have been living
> > under bridge for the past 50 years.
>
> You misunderstand. He's taking about an exercise mode that
> would burn fat preferentially.

Right. Theoretically its possible, but practically there are very few
people who can actually sustain the necessary intensity to get there.
And most of the ones that can don't need to - they are elite endurance
people who do enough training they don't have any fat to burn!

--
Keith

In article <dn8sj2142eiovurc63340hs6mn9omd9f3t@4ax.com>,
Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:24:39 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <eT9%g.13976$Y24.2197@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> > "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> > > "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> >> >> > > > "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little
> >> >> > > >> about
> >> >> > > >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll
> >> >> > > >> provide
> >> >> > > >> you
> >> >> > > >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > I sure as hell could use that.
> >> >> > > > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > Whats the best way to drink it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer
> >> >> > > with
> >> >> > > <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for
> >> >> > beer
> >> >> > in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
> >> >>
> >> >> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real beer".
> >> >> Recommend a few that are available down here.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure what is available down there,
> >>
> >> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
> >>
> >> > but a good rule of thumb is
> >> > you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a few
> >> > decent beers that aren't dark, but...
> >>
> >> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
> >
> >Rickards Red (Canuck beer)
> >
> >Newcastle Brown (Brit beer)
> >
> >Traditional Ale (Canuck beer)
>
> What about the draft Guinness Keith? ;o)

http://www.kirin.com/

Japanese beer......
--
Peace, Om

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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

In article <d7gqj2hqp398rvdpqv4cv0c07k876rtjqq@4ax.com>,
Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:14:51 +0000 (UTC), DZ
> <8051@286583430.408613923.7537.13633.16350> wrote:
>
> >Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>> You would be surprised what a fat person can do. I have seen fat
> >>>> people workout many times harder then their skinny counterparts.
> >>>
> >>>No, I wouldn't.
> >>>
> >>>They are working hard because they are in crappy shape. They are nowhere
> >>>near their lactic threshold or 80-85% of their aerobic capacity.
> >>>
> >>>Not just the fat guy either. The average person. You pretty much have to
> >>>be able to run (not jog or walk) a marathon to get in the 'fat-burning'
> >>>zone.
> >>
> >> So your saying a fat person can't lose weight because they are not
> >> in shape. Wow that is pure genius. FYI they are working hard
> >> because they are carrying extra weight. That means they don't have
> >> to go as long or as hard to get a better workout. Try strapping a
> >> 100 pounds your back and see if you can run a marathon with it. I
> >> can't believe your sitting here telling a person can't loose weight
> >> by exercise unless they run a marathon. You must have been living
> >> under bridge for the past 50 years.
> >
> >You misunderstand. He's taking about an exercise mode that
> >would burn fat preferentially.
>
> Alright than. I am not sure why he is saying you need to run a
> marathon to get into the fat burning zone then. I could probably
> reach it in a brisk walk. I always pushed for the cardio zone over
> the fat burning zone. I recommend any fat person do the same unless
> they are grossly out of shape. A person can be pretty fat and still
> reach the cardio zone. It really just depends on how active they have
> been in their daily life. That was the point I was trying to make. A
> fat athlete has a greater potential to loose weight than skinny smoker
> who sits on his rump all day long.
>

The exercise prescription is correct because you are burning calories.
What I am saying is you won't be burning fat preferentially while
walking - the intensity isn't high enough. It is still good to do
because of the caloric deficit being created.

--
Keith

In article <4q5pusFlgub5U1@individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> David Cohen wrote:
> > "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>>> "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> >>>>>> "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little
> >>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll
> >>>>>>> provide you
> >>>>>>> with instructions on how to drink beer.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> I sure as hell could use that.
> >>>>>> I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Whats the best way to drink it?
> >>>>
> >>>>> I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer
> >>>>> with <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many
> >>>>> ways.
> >>>>
> >>>> Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
> >>>>
> >>>> OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for
> >>>> beer in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
> >>>
> >>> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real
> >>> beer". Recommend a few that are available down here.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what is available down there,
> >
> > This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
> >
> >> but a good rule of thumb is
> >> you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a
> >> few decent beers that aren't dark, but...
> >
> > Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
> >
> > David
>
> Newcastle Brown Ale; I'm sure I've drunk that in LV!

I lke Newcastle Brown.

I should've added to the thing on beers you can't see through - they
still have to pour. Which pretty much eliminates that gross Guiness crap.

--
Keith

In article <dn8sj2142eiovurc63340hs6mn9omd9f3t@4ax.com>,
Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:24:39 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <eT9%g.13976$Y24.2197@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> > "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> > > "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> >> >> > > > "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little
> >> >> > > >> about
> >> >> > > >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll
> >> >> > > >> provide
> >> >> > > >> you
> >> >> > > >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > I sure as hell could use that.
> >> >> > > > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > Whats the best way to drink it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer
> >> >> > > with
> >> >> > > <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for
> >> >> > beer
> >> >> > in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
> >> >>
> >> >> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real beer".
> >> >> Recommend a few that are available down here.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure what is available down there,
> >>
> >> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
> >>
> >> > but a good rule of thumb is
> >> > you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a few
> >> > decent beers that aren't dark, but...
> >>
> >> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
> >
> >Rickards Red (Canuck beer)
> >
> >Newcastle Brown (Brit beer)
> >
> >Traditional Ale (Canuck beer)
>
> What about the draft Guinness Keith? ;o)

Beer should pour, not be fed with a spoon.

:^|

--
Keith

In article <omp_omelet-21DB3B.09325524102006@news.giganews.com>,
OmManiPadmeOmelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <dn8sj2142eiovurc63340hs6mn9omd9f3t@4ax.com>,
> Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:24:39 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article <eT9%g.13976$Y24.2197@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
> > > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> > >> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >> >> > > "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> > >> >> > > > "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows
> > >> >> > > >> little
> > >> >> > > >> about
> > >> >> > > >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll
> > >> >> > > >> provide
> > >> >> > > >> you
> > >> >> > > >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > > I sure as hell could use that.
> > >> >> > > > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > > Whats the best way to drink it?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer
> > >> >> > > with
> > >> >> > > <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for
> > >> >> > beer
> > >> >> > in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real beer".
> > >> >> Recommend a few that are available down here.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm not sure what is available down there,
> > >>
> > >> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
> > >>
> > >> > but a good rule of thumb is
> > >> > you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a
> > >> > few
> > >> > decent beers that aren't dark, but...
> > >>
> > >> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
> > >
> > >Rickards Red (Canuck beer)
> > >
> > >Newcastle Brown (Brit beer)
> > >
> > >Traditional Ale (Canuck beer)
> >
> > What about the draft Guinness Keith? ;o)
>
> http://www.kirin.com/
>
> Japanese beer......


Oh please. Possibly one of the worst beers I've ever tasted. Right up
there with the American Budweiser and Oz Fosters.

--
Keith

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:45:29 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <dn8sj2142eiovurc63340hs6mn9omd9f3t@4ax.com>,
> Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:24:39 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <eT9%g.13976$Y24.2197@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
>> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
>> >> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> >> > > "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
>> >> >> > > > "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little
>> >> >> > > >> about
>> >> >> > > >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll
>> >> >> > > >> provide
>> >> >> > > >> you
>> >> >> > > >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > > I sure as hell could use that.
>> >> >> > > > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > > Whats the best way to drink it?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer
>> >> >> > > with
>> >> >> > > <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for
>> >> >> > beer
>> >> >> > in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real beer".
>> >> >> Recommend a few that are available down here.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not sure what is available down there,
>> >>
>> >> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
>> >>
>> >> > but a good rule of thumb is
>> >> > you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a few
>> >> > decent beers that aren't dark, but...
>> >>
>> >> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
>> >
>> >Rickards Red (Canuck beer)
>> >
>> >Newcastle Brown (Brit beer)
>> >
>> >Traditional Ale (Canuck beer)
>>
>> What about the draft Guinness Keith? ;o)
>
>Beer should pour, not be fed with a spoon.
>

It's a meal in a glass! ;o)

Hobbes wrote:
> In article <4q5pusFlgub5U1@individual.net>,
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>> David Cohen wrote:
>>> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
>>>>>>>> "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows
>>>>>>>>> little about
>>>>>>>>> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll
>>>>>>>>> provide you
>>>>>>>>> with instructions on how to drink beer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sure as hell could use that.
>>>>>>>> I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whats the best way to drink it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer
>>>>>>> with <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many
>>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for
>>>>>> beer in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real
>>>>> beer". Recommend a few that are available down here.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what is available down there,
>>>
>>> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
>>>
>>>> but a good rule of thumb is
>>>> you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a
>>>> few decent beers that aren't dark, but...
>>>
>>> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
>>>
>>> David
>>
>> Newcastle Brown Ale; I'm sure I've drunk that in LV!
>
> I lke Newcastle Brown.
>
> I should've added to the thing on beers you can't see through - they
> still have to pour. Which pretty much eliminates that gross Guiness
> crap.

If you don't like Guinness it's cos you don't understand it. Mind you, I
don't imagine they know how to keep/pour it in the US!!!

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

In article <r9asj25t9l5qg5gvmuoednai0vogk2cg8p@4ax.com>,
Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:45:29 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <dn8sj2142eiovurc63340hs6mn9omd9f3t@4ax.com>,
> > Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:24:39 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <eT9%g.13976$Y24.2197@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
> >> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> >> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> >> >> >> > > > "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows
> >> >> >> > > >> little
> >> >> >> > > >> about
> >> >> >> > > >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll
> >> >> >> > > >> provide
> >> >> >> > > >> you
> >> >> >> > > >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > > I sure as hell could use that.
> >> >> >> > > > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > > Whats the best way to drink it?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer
> >> >> >> > > with
> >> >> >> > > <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for
> >> >> >> > beer
> >> >> >> > in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real
> >> >> >> beer".
> >> >> >> Recommend a few that are available down here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm not sure what is available down there,
> >> >>
> >> >> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
> >> >>
> >> >> > but a good rule of thumb is
> >> >> > you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a
> >> >> > few
> >> >> > decent beers that aren't dark, but...
> >> >>
> >> >> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
> >> >
> >> >Rickards Red (Canuck beer)
> >> >
> >> >Newcastle Brown (Brit beer)
> >> >
> >> >Traditional Ale (Canuck beer)
> >>
> >> What about the draft Guinness Keith? ;o)
> >
> >Beer should pour, not be fed with a spoon.
> >
>
> It's a meal in a glass! ;o)

LOL!

--
Keith

In article
<khobman800-66A619.08470424102006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <omp_omelet-21DB3B.09325524102006@news.giganews.com>,
> OmManiPadmeOmelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <dn8sj2142eiovurc63340hs6mn9omd9f3t@4ax.com>,
> > Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:24:39 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <eT9%g.13976$Y24.2197@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
> > > > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> > > >> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> > "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > >> >> > > "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> > > >> >> > > > "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows
> > > >> >> > > >> little
> > > >> >> > > >> about
> > > >> >> > > >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll
> > > >> >> > > >> provide
> > > >> >> > > >> you
> > > >> >> > > >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > > I sure as hell could use that.
> > > >> >> > > > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > > Whats the best way to drink it?
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer
> > > >> >> > > with
> > > >> >> > > <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many
> > > >> >> > > ways.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for
> > > >> >> > beer
> > > >> >> > in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real
> > > >> >> beer".
> > > >> >> Recommend a few that are available down here.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm not sure what is available down there,
> > > >>
> > > >> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
> > > >>
> > > >> > but a good rule of thumb is
> > > >> > you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a
> > > >> > few
> > > >> > decent beers that aren't dark, but...
> > > >>
> > > >> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
> > > >
> > > >Rickards Red (Canuck beer)
> > > >
> > > >Newcastle Brown (Brit beer)
> > > >
> > > >Traditional Ale (Canuck beer)
> > >
> > > What about the draft Guinness Keith? ;o)
> >
> > http://www.kirin.com/
> >
> > Japanese beer......
>
>
> Oh please. Possibly one of the worst beers I've ever tasted. Right up
> there with the American Budweiser and Oz Fosters.

<shrugs> It's what my dad likes...

On the rare occasion I drink beer, it's generally Coors light.

;-)

Ok, so I'm not a big beer drinker.
I prefer wine.
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

In article <4q6nuvFlpo99U1@individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:
> > In article <4q5pusFlgub5U1@individual.net>,
> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >
> >> David Cohen wrote:
> >>> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> >>>>>>>> "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows
> >>>>>>>>> little about
> >>>>>>>>> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll
> >>>>>>>>> provide you
> >>>>>>>>> with instructions on how to drink beer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I sure as hell could use that.
> >>>>>>>> I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Whats the best way to drink it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer
> >>>>>>> with <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many
> >>>>>>> ways.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for
> >>>>>> beer in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real
> >>>>> beer". Recommend a few that are available down here.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure what is available down there,
> >>>
> >>> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
> >>>
> >>>> but a good rule of thumb is
> >>>> you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a
> >>>> few decent beers that aren't dark, but...
> >>>
> >>> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>
> >> Newcastle Brown Ale; I'm sure I've drunk that in LV!
> >
> > I lke Newcastle Brown.
> >
> > I should've added to the thing on beers you can't see through - they
> > still have to pour. Which pretty much eliminates that gross Guiness
> > crap.
>
> If you don't like Guinness it's cos you don't understand it. Mind you, I
> don't imagine they know how to keep/pour it in the US!!!

In Boston they do - and I don't mind it with Harp in a black and tan,
but by itself it is simply to heavy for me. The Welsh I played rugby
with told me it was an acquired taste, to which I said, "Why?" I like
other beers just fine.

--
Keith

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:55:16 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <4q46jfFl5jv4U1@individual.net>,
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>> Pete wrote:
>> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>> >
>> >> I think you are providing, what can best be described as, erroneous
>> >> information.
>> >
>> >>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do they
>> >>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to a
>> >>> decent level is important for burning calories.
>> >
>> >> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
>> >
>> > Well...
>> >
>> > Lets say you are carb depleted.
>> >
>> > I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
>> > guess...
>>
>> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to replenish the
>> glycogen ?
>
>Proteins and fats. Energetic pathway is pretty much established. But
>there is still no preferential fat-burning really.
>
>And, of course, some very nasty metabolic waste products being formed.

What a bunch of bullshit.

In article <sffsj2915qollkt0i7t763s128kafu6eel@4ax.com>,
Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:55:16 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <4q46jfFl5jv4U1@individual.net>,
> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >
> >> Pete wrote:
> >> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
> >> >
> >> >> I think you are providing, what can best be described as, erroneous
> >> >> information.
> >> >
> >> >>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do they
> >> >>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to a
> >> >>> decent level is important for burning calories.
> >> >
> >> >> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
> >> >
> >> > Well...
> >> >
> >> > Lets say you are carb depleted.
> >> >
> >> > I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
> >> > guess...
> >>
> >> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to replenish the
> >> glycogen ?
> >
> >Proteins and fats. Energetic pathway is pretty much established. But
> >there is still no preferential fat-burning really.
> >
> >And, of course, some very nasty metabolic waste products being formed.
>
> What a bunch of bullshit.
>

You know, you are getting tiring. But I'll give you the short course in
the science behind my statement.

Proteins go though deamination in order to prepare them for energetic
usage. Waste product formed is ammonia, which is converted to urea.
Mostly that is okay (excreted as urine), but do a search for 'gout' and
see what can happen. Point is ammonia is a nasty metabolic waste product
for humans.

Fats mostly help with the Krebs cycle by producing acetyl-CoA though
beta-oxidization. However, it still could be argued that oxidization can
be a nasty metabolic thing. You have heard of anti-oxidants, right?
Supposedly anti-oxidants are good for you.

So, it really isn't a load of BS, but it may be something you are not
familiar with. And once again - the point is there is no preferential
fat burning going on. And adipose tissue (as well as muscle) would only
be used after dietary stores are exhausted. The mechanism for body
recomposition and body-fat reduction is basically calorie reduction.
There is no magic fat-burning workout.

--
Keith

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
news:4q5pusFlgub5U1@individual.net...
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
>>>>>>> "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll
>>>>>>>> provide you
>>>>>>>> with instructions on how to drink beer.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I sure as hell could use that.
>>>>>>> I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whats the best way to drink it?
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer
>>>>>> with <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many
>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for
>>>>> beer in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
>>>>
>>>> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real
>>>> beer". Recommend a few that are available down here.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what is available down there,
>>
>> This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.
>>
>>> but a good rule of thumb is
>>> you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a
>>> few decent beers that aren't dark, but...
>>
>> Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.
>>
>> David
>
> Newcastle Brown Ale; I'm sure I've drunk that in LV!
>

I'm pretty sure I've seen London Pride and Bass in LV too.

My current favorites are Speckled Hen and Tanglefoot though I don't think
they've made it across the pond.

Bill

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>> >> Pete wrote:
>> >> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I think you are providing, what can best be described as, erroneous
>> >> >> information.
>> >> >
>> >> >>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do
>> >> >>> they
>> >> >>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to
>> >> >>> a
>> >> >>> decent level is important for burning calories.
>> >> >
>> >> >> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
>> >> >
>> >> > Well...
>> >> >
>> >> > Lets say you are carb depleted.
>> >> >
>> >> > I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
>> >> > guess...
>> >>
>> >> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to replenish
>> >> the
>> >> glycogen ?
>> >
>> >Proteins and fats. Energetic pathway is pretty much established. But
>> >there is still no preferential fat-burning really.
>> >
>> >And, of course, some very nasty metabolic waste products being formed.
>>
>> What a bunch of bullshit.
>>
> You know, you are getting tiring. But I'll give you the short course in
> the science behind my statement.
>
> Proteins go though deamination in order to prepare them for energetic
> usage. Waste product formed is ammonia, which is converted to urea.
> Mostly that is okay (excreted as urine), but do a search for 'gout' and
> see what can happen. Point is ammonia is a nasty metabolic waste product
> for humans.
>
> Fats mostly help with the Krebs cycle by producing acetyl-CoA though
> beta-oxidization. However, it still could be argued that oxidization can
> be a nasty metabolic thing. You have heard of anti-oxidants, right?
> Supposedly anti-oxidants are good for you.
>
> So, it really isn't a load of BS, but it may be something you are not
> familiar with. And once again - the point is there is no preferential
> fat burning going on. And adipose tissue (as well as muscle) would only
> be used after dietary stores are exhausted. The mechanism for body
> recomposition and body-fat reduction is basically calorie reduction.
> There is no magic fat-burning workout.

Give it up, Keith. Your reknowned Canadian niceness isn't going to cut it.
Poop Shute is so overwhelmingly proud of his overwhelming ignorance, that we
are dealing with some serious psychiatric pathology.

David

In article <cwt%g.12329$Lv3.1486@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> > Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >> >> Pete wrote:
> >> >> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I think you are providing, what can best be described as, erroneous
> >> >> >> information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do
> >> >> >>> they
> >> >> >>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to
> >> >> >>> a
> >> >> >>> decent level is important for burning calories.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Lets say you are carb depleted.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
> >> >> > guess...
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to replenish
> >> >> the
> >> >> glycogen ?
> >> >
> >> >Proteins and fats. Energetic pathway is pretty much established. But
> >> >there is still no preferential fat-burning really.
> >> >
> >> >And, of course, some very nasty metabolic waste products being formed.
> >>
> >> What a bunch of bullshit.
> >>
> > You know, you are getting tiring. But I'll give you the short course in
> > the science behind my statement.
> >
> > Proteins go though deamination in order to prepare them for energetic
> > usage. Waste product formed is ammonia, which is converted to urea.
> > Mostly that is okay (excreted as urine), but do a search for 'gout' and
> > see what can happen. Point is ammonia is a nasty metabolic waste product
> > for humans.
> >
> > Fats mostly help with the Krebs cycle by producing acetyl-CoA though
> > beta-oxidization. However, it still could be argued that oxidization can
> > be a nasty metabolic thing. You have heard of anti-oxidants, right?
> > Supposedly anti-oxidants are good for you.
> >
> > So, it really isn't a load of BS, but it may be something you are not
> > familiar with. And once again - the point is there is no preferential
> > fat burning going on. And adipose tissue (as well as muscle) would only
> > be used after dietary stores are exhausted. The mechanism for body
> > recomposition and body-fat reduction is basically calorie reduction.
> > There is no magic fat-burning workout.
>
> Give it up, Keith. Your reknowned Canadian niceness isn't going to cut it.

Hokay. I'm done.

Carry on.

--
Keith

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Pete wrote: