some beginner questions

I recently started to work out, hoping to loss some weight. I'm ok on
other parts of my body, with some fat under the skin, but I have a very
noticible beer belly, which I want to get rid of. I'm currently doing
30 mins of trendmill with speed set to 5.5. Anyways, one of my
co-workers told me that trendmill only helps the body to move blood
around, but it doesn't really help me to reduce body fat or the size of
my belly. If I want to reduce fat around some parts of my body, I need
to exercise that part of my body so I can "convert" fat to muscle.

>From what I can remember from Biology 11, fat cells are what our body
use to store excessive energy. If my daily energy intake is less than
my output, then my body should get the energy it needs from the fat
cells, thus reduce fat and my belly.

I would like to know if what my co-worker told me is true, that I
really need to use the muscles on my stomach like crazy, or perhaps, I
should just keep doing trendmill, maybe with a longer time, and my
belly will go away in a few months.

Thanks

On 22 Oct 2006 19:59:17 -0700, xenoverse@gmail.com wrote:

>If I want to reduce fat around some parts of my body, I need
>to exercise that part of my body so I can "convert" fat to muscle.

You can't convert fat to muscle, but you can build up the muscle so it
burns more daily calories.

Aerobic exercise is the only way to reduce total body fat.


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In article <aedpj21dbkg832p7t67dm526uslq0urf34@4ax.com>,
AWilliamson <AW<see_address_in_reply@invalid.com> wrote:

> On 22 Oct 2006 19:59:17 -0700, xenoverse@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >If I want to reduce fat around some parts of my body, I need
> >to exercise that part of my body so I can "convert" fat to muscle.
>
> You can't convert fat to muscle, but you can build up the muscle so it
> burns more daily calories.
>
> Aerobic exercise is the only way to reduce total body fat.

BS. You reduce bodyfat by expending more calories than you consume. The
idea of aerobic exercise 'burning' fat is good in theory due to energy
pathways, but for the average person lousy in practise. Mainly because
most people can't sustain the necessary intensity. And if the person is
fat and out of shape there is no way they are going to get to the
necessary intensity and sustain for 25 minutes.

Eat less and work out more.

--
Keith

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:53:58 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>BS. You reduce bodyfat by expending more calories than you consume. The
>idea of aerobic exercise 'burning' fat is good in theory due to energy
>pathways, but for the average person lousy in practise. Mainly because
>most people can't sustain the necessary intensity. And if the person is
>fat and out of shape there is no way they are going to get to the
>necessary intensity and sustain for 25 minutes.
>
>Eat less and work out more.

You would be surprised what a fat person can do. I have seen fat
people workout many times harder then their skinny counterparts.

On 22 Oct 2006 19:59:17 -0700, xenoverse@gmail.com wrote:

>I recently started to work out, hoping to loss some weight. I'm ok on
>other parts of my body, with some fat under the skin, but I have a very
>noticible beer belly, which I want to get rid of. I'm currently doing
>30 mins of trendmill with speed set to 5.5. Anyways, one of my
>co-workers told me that trendmill only helps the body to move blood
>around, but it doesn't really help me to reduce body fat or the size of
>my belly. If I want to reduce fat around some parts of my body, I need
>to exercise that part of my body so I can "convert" fat to muscle.
>
>>From what I can remember from Biology 11, fat cells are what our body
>use to store excessive energy. If my daily energy intake is less than
>my output, then my body should get the energy it needs from the fat
>cells, thus reduce fat and my belly.
>
>I would like to know if what my co-worker told me is true, that I
>really need to use the muscles on my stomach like crazy, or perhaps, I
>should just keep doing trendmill, maybe with a longer time, and my
>belly will go away in a few months.
>
>Thanks

Your co-worker is wrong. You cannot target fat on a specific area of
the body. And you cannot convert fat to muscle. You can lose fat and
gain muscle. And you can lose a percentage of fat all over which will
decrease the belly.

The treadmill and speed you are using might not be enough to get the
fat off. You may need to go faster or for a longer period of time.
Or use another cardio equipment which gets better results.

Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do they
have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to a
decent level is important for burning calories.

In article <kogpj2tuv5jv67ner4gdrsc8t2uuf66327@4ax.com>,
Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:53:58 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >BS. You reduce bodyfat by expending more calories than you consume. The
> >idea of aerobic exercise 'burning' fat is good in theory due to energy
> >pathways, but for the average person lousy in practise. Mainly because
> >most people can't sustain the necessary intensity. And if the person is
> >fat and out of shape there is no way they are going to get to the
> >necessary intensity and sustain for 25 minutes.
> >
> >Eat less and work out more.
>
> You would be surprised what a fat person can do. I have seen fat
> people workout many times harder then their skinny counterparts.

No, I wouldn't.

They are working hard because they are in crappy shape. They are nowhere
near their lactic threshold or 80-85% of their aerobic capacity.

Not just the fat guy either. The average person. You pretty much have to
be able to run (not jog or walk) a marathon to get in the 'fat-burning'
zone.

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >BS. You reduce bodyfat by expending more calories than you consume. The
>> >idea of aerobic exercise 'burning' fat is good in theory due to energy
>> >pathways, but for the average person lousy in practise. Mainly because
>> >most people can't sustain the necessary intensity. And if the person is
>> >fat and out of shape there is no way they are going to get to the
>> >necessary intensity and sustain for 25 minutes.
>> >
>> >Eat less and work out more.
>>
>> You would be surprised what a fat person can do. I have seen fat
>> people workout many times harder then their skinny counterparts.
>
> No, I wouldn't.
>
> They are working hard because they are in crappy shape. They are nowhere
> near their lactic threshold or 80-85% of their aerobic capacity.
>
> Not just the fat guy either. The average person. You pretty much have to
> be able to run (not jog or walk) a marathon to get in the 'fat-burning'
> zone.

Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little about most
things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.

First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide you with
instructions on how to drink beer.

David

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> schreef:

> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little about most
> things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.

> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide you
> with instructions on how to drink beer.

I sure as hell could use that.
I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.

Whats the best way to drink it?

----
Pete

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:40:24 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <kogpj2tuv5jv67ner4gdrsc8t2uuf66327@4ax.com>,
> Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:53:58 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >BS. You reduce bodyfat by expending more calories than you consume. The
>> >idea of aerobic exercise 'burning' fat is good in theory due to energy
>> >pathways, but for the average person lousy in practise. Mainly because
>> >most people can't sustain the necessary intensity. And if the person is
>> >fat and out of shape there is no way they are going to get to the
>> >necessary intensity and sustain for 25 minutes.
>> >
>> >Eat less and work out more.
>>
>> You would be surprised what a fat person can do. I have seen fat
>> people workout many times harder then their skinny counterparts.
>
>No, I wouldn't.
>
>They are working hard because they are in crappy shape. They are nowhere
>near their lactic threshold or 80-85% of their aerobic capacity.
>
>Not just the fat guy either. The average person. You pretty much have to
>be able to run (not jog or walk) a marathon to get in the 'fat-burning'
>zone.

It is true to say that exercise is not the most productive way (if at
all) to lose weight, if indeed that is the goal of people who are
'overweight'!

I have proved this by personal experience during periods when
exercising was out of the question. During those periods it was also
not possible to either eat or drink socially (like my well-known
weekends) and the upshot was that I maintained a steady weight or
experienced weight loss.

The most productive way to lose weight is the caloric deficit which
you mentioned earlier. I do this by strict low calorie diet during the
week, and working out most days of the week, which is offset (buggered
up if you want to be critical) by 'binge' eating and drinking at the
weekend.

This 'yo-yo' dieting is far from ideal, but has kept me in good shape
for many years and allowed me to enjoy an unrestricted social life,
which is very important to me and my friends and family.

That notwithstanding, I have still accumulated an average extra stone
in weight (it has been as much as three stone some years) by the end
of the Christmas and New Year festivities. However, I will then forgo
the weekend 'binging' until I am back to my target weight, which is
usually well before Easter.

It may not be the way the 'gurus' would suggest or recommend - but it
works for me! ;o)

Shute wrote:
> On 22 Oct 2006 19:59:17 -0700, xenoverse@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I recently started to work out, hoping to loss some weight. I'm ok on
>> other parts of my body, with some fat under the skin, but I have a
>> very noticible beer belly, which I want to get rid of. I'm
>> currently doing 30 mins of trendmill with speed set to 5.5. Anyways,
>> one of my co-workers told me that trendmill only helps the body to
>> move blood around, but it doesn't really help me to reduce body fat
>> or the size of my belly. If I want to reduce fat around some parts
>> of my body, I need to exercise that part of my body so I can
>> "convert" fat to muscle.
>>
>>> From what I can remember from Biology 11, fat cells are what our
>>> body
>> use to store excessive energy. If my daily energy intake is less than
>> my output, then my body should get the energy it needs from the fat
>> cells, thus reduce fat and my belly.
>>
>> I would like to know if what my co-worker told me is true, that I
>> really need to use the muscles on my stomach like crazy, or perhaps,
>> I should just keep doing trendmill, maybe with a longer time, and my
>> belly will go away in a few months.
>>
>> Thanks
>
> Your co-worker is wrong. You cannot target fat on a specific area of
> the body. And you cannot convert fat to muscle. You can lose fat and
> gain muscle. And you can lose a percentage of fat all over which will
> decrease the belly.
>
> The treadmill and speed you are using might not be enough to get the
> fat off. You may need to go faster or for a longer period of time.
> Or use another cardio equipment which gets better results.

I think you are providing, what can best be described as, erroneous
information.

>
> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do they
> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to a
> decent level is important for burning calories.

DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:20:40 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> schreef:
>
>> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little about most
>> things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
>
>> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide you
>> with instructions on how to drink beer.
>
>I sure as hell could use that.
>I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
>
>Whats the best way to drink it?
>

It rather depends where you are; from the can is more than acceptable
in an al fresco situation, while cool beer at a party from crystal
goblets is a very esoteric experience.

Pints of fine old English Real Ale is a treat in pewter tankards, and
I enjoy lager in a straight pint glass (also cold draught Guinness),
while draught bitter at the Rugby Club is best enjoyed in a handled
mug, which can be clasped to the chest for added security.

I once was in a typical circle of rugby players following a great game
of rugby, all of us clutching our beer mugs in the traditional manner,
as the usual seemingly bottomless jug went endlessly round all the
players. I knew something was going on as everyone was trying hard not
to laugh for some odd reason.

I downed my pint with a flourish as the jug approached yet again, when
there was a clunk against my teeth, which was as unexpected as it was
revolting. I discovered the opposing tight head prop, a gnarled and
seasoned old campaigner and friend, had removed his full set of false
teeth (with half his post match meal still clinging to them) and
without me seeing him do it, had dropped them in my beer mug.

I began to urge as the 'floaters' worked on my imagination, and had to
flee in order to throw up in profusion in the nearest bog, which
happened to be the ladies toilet.

I returned to the clubhouse midst great cheers, did the best I could
with my dignity, the jug reappeared as if by magic, and we got on with
the rest of the evening as though nothing had happened.

And who says rugby isn't fun? ;o)

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

> I think you are providing, what can best be described as, erroneous
> information.

>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do they
>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to a
>> decent level is important for burning calories.

> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...

Well...

Lets say you are carb depleted.

I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i guess...

----
Pete

Charles wrote:

[...false teeth story...]

You know, I've heard that story soooooo many times I always wondered where
it originated !!!

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>> I think you are providing, what can best be described as, erroneous
>> information.
>
>>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do they
>>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to a
>>> decent level is important for burning calories.
>
>> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
>
> Well...
>
> Lets say you are carb depleted.
>
> I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
> guess...

Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to replenish the
glycogen ?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

In article <amnpj29m85ve174se7ht42b71jl223kmrf@4ax.com>,
Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:20:40 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
> wrote:
>
> >"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> schreef:
> >
> >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little about most
> >> things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
> >
> >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide you
> >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
> >
> >I sure as hell could use that.
> >I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
> >
> >Whats the best way to drink it?
> >
>
> It rather depends where you are; from the can is more than acceptable
> in an al fresco situation, while cool beer at a party from crystal
> goblets is a very esoteric experience.
>
> Pints of fine old English Real Ale is a treat in pewter tankards, and
> I enjoy lager in a straight pint glass (also cold draught Guinness),
> while draught bitter at the Rugby Club is best enjoyed in a handled
> mug, which can be clasped to the chest for added security.
>
> I once was in a typical circle of rugby players following a great game
> of rugby, all of us clutching our beer mugs in the traditional manner,
> as the usual seemingly bottomless jug went endlessly round all the
> players. I knew something was going on as everyone was trying hard not
> to laugh for some odd reason.
>
> I downed my pint with a flourish as the jug approached yet again, when
> there was a clunk against my teeth, which was as unexpected as it was
> revolting. I discovered the opposing tight head prop, a gnarled and
> seasoned old campaigner and friend, had removed his full set of false
> teeth (with half his post match meal still clinging to them) and
> without me seeing him do it, had dropped them in my beer mug.
>
> I began to urge as the 'floaters' worked on my imagination, and had to
> flee in order to throw up in profusion in the nearest bog, which
> happened to be the ladies toilet.
>
> I returned to the clubhouse midst great cheers, did the best I could
> with my dignity, the jug reappeared as if by magic, and we got on with
> the rest of the evening as though nothing had happened.
>
> And who says rugby isn't fun? ;o)

It would be the prop...

--
Keith

In article <4q46jfFl5jv4U1@individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> Pete wrote:
> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
> >
> >> I think you are providing, what can best be described as, erroneous
> >> information.
> >
> >>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do they
> >>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to a
> >>> decent level is important for burning calories.
> >
> >> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
> >
> > Well...
> >
> > Lets say you are carb depleted.
> >
> > I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
> > guess...
>
> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to replenish the
> glycogen ?

Proteins and fats. Energetic pathway is pretty much established. But
there is still no preferential fat-burning really.

And, of course, some very nasty metabolic waste products being formed.

--
Keith

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>>> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...

>> Well...

>> Lets say you are carb depleted.

>> I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
>> guess...

> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to replenish the
> glycogen ?

Was that a rhetorical question? ;-O

Well...

Fat cells are broken down by the liver and converted to glucose?

----
Pete

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:48:05 +0100, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote:

>Charles wrote:
>
>[...false teeth story...]
>
>You know, I've heard that story soooooo many times I always wondered where
>it originated !!!

See Neil, you can still learn something, thus proving that you don't
actually know everything.

However, it is typical of you to try and discredit a true story simply
because you're envious of the person who told it!

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:52:48 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <amnpj29m85ve174se7ht42b71jl223kmrf@4ax.com>,
> Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:20:40 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> schreef:
>> >
>> >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little about most
>> >> things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
>> >
>> >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide you
>> >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
>> >
>> >I sure as hell could use that.
>> >I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
>> >
>> >Whats the best way to drink it?
>> >
>>
>> It rather depends where you are; from the can is more than acceptable
>> in an al fresco situation, while cool beer at a party from crystal
>> goblets is a very esoteric experience.
>>
>> Pints of fine old English Real Ale is a treat in pewter tankards, and
>> I enjoy lager in a straight pint glass (also cold draught Guinness),
>> while draught bitter at the Rugby Club is best enjoyed in a handled
>> mug, which can be clasped to the chest for added security.
>>
>> I once was in a typical circle of rugby players following a great game
>> of rugby, all of us clutching our beer mugs in the traditional manner,
>> as the usual seemingly bottomless jug went endlessly round all the
>> players. I knew something was going on as everyone was trying hard not
>> to laugh for some odd reason.
>>
>> I downed my pint with a flourish as the jug approached yet again, when
>> there was a clunk against my teeth, which was as unexpected as it was
>> revolting. I discovered the opposing tight head prop, a gnarled and
>> seasoned old campaigner and friend, had removed his full set of false
>> teeth (with half his post match meal still clinging to them) and
>> without me seeing him do it, had dropped them in my beer mug.
>>
>> I began to urge as the 'floaters' worked on my imagination, and had to
>> flee in order to throw up in profusion in the nearest bog, which
>> happened to be the ladies toilet.
>>
>> I returned to the clubhouse midst great cheers, did the best I could
>> with my dignity, the jug reappeared as if by magic, and we got on with
>> the rest of the evening as though nothing had happened.
>>
>> And who says rugby isn't fun? ;o)
>
>It would be the prop...

I would put money on it... ;o)

"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> schreef:

> See Neil, you can still learn something, thus proving that you don't
> actually know everything.

> However, it is typical of you to try and discredit a true story simply
> because you're envious of the person who told it!

How childish!

Shame on you, Bully!

For punishment, you should start a thread with the title "Pete is my Hero!"

I dont care about the content...

----
Pete

Charles wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:48:05 +0100, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
> wrote:
>
>> Charles wrote:
>>
>> [...false teeth story...]
>>
>> You know, I've heard that story soooooo many times I always wondered
>> where it originated !!!
>
> See Neil, you can still learn something, thus proving that you don't
> actually know everything.
>
> However, it is typical of you to try and discredit a true story simply
> because you're envious of the person who told it!

Do you realise how incredibly funny you are?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>>>> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
>
>>> Well...
>
>>> Lets say you are carb depleted.
>
>>> I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
>>> guess...
>
>> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to
>> replenish the glycogen ?
>
> Was that a rhetorical question? ;-O

Erm, yes!

>
> Well...
>
> Fat cells are broken down by the liver and converted to glucose?
>
> ----
> Pete



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:16:52 +0100, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote:

>Charles wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:48:05 +0100, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Charles wrote:
>>>
>>> [...false teeth story...]
>>>
>>> You know, I've heard that story soooooo many times I always wondered
>>> where it originated !!!
>>
>> See Neil, you can still learn something, thus proving that you don't
>> actually know everything.
>>
>> However, it is typical of you to try and discredit a true story simply
>> because you're envious of the person who told it!
>
>Do you realise how incredibly funny you are?

Well I don't want to be immodest, but yes I am aware that I have a
reputation as something of a wag. ;o)

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

>Charles wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:48:05 +0100, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Charles wrote:
>>>
>>> [...false teeth story...]
>>>
>>> You know, I've heard that story soooooo many times I always wondered
>>> where it originated !!!
>>
>> See Neil, you can still learn something, thus proving that you don't
>> actually know everything.
>>
>> However, it is typical of you to try and discredit a true story simply
>> because you're envious of the person who told it!
>
>Do you realise how incredibly funny you are?

Well, not for the same reasons he thinks he is ...

"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> schreef:
>
>> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little about
>> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
>
>> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide you
>> with instructions on how to drink beer.
>
> I sure as hell could use that.
> I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
>
> Whats the best way to drink it?

I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer with
<shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.

David

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:47:00 -0400, JMW
<jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>>Charles wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:48:05 +0100, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Charles wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...false teeth story...]
>>>>
>>>> You know, I've heard that story soooooo many times I always wondered
>>>> where it originated !!!
>>>
>>> See Neil, you can still learn something, thus proving that you don't
>>> actually know everything.
>>>
>>> However, it is typical of you to try and discredit a true story simply
>>> because you're envious of the person who told it!
>>
>>Do you realise how incredibly funny you are?
>
>Well, not for the same reasons he thinks he is ...

I think I'm funny for exactly the same reasons I think I is...

(You do make some incredible fuck-ups Williams!) ;o)

Charles wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:47:00 -0400, JMW
> <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>
>>> Charles wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:48:05 +0100, "Bully"
>>>> <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Charles wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...false teeth story...]
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, I've heard that story soooooo many times I always
>>>>> wondered where it originated !!!
>>>>
>>>> See Neil, you can still learn something, thus proving that you
>>>> don't actually know everything.
>>>>
>>>> However, it is typical of you to try and discredit a true story
>>>> simply because you're envious of the person who told it!
>>>
>>> Do you realise how incredibly funny you are?
>>
>> Well, not for the same reasons he thinks he is ...
>
> I think I'm funny for exactly the same reasons I think I is...
>
> (You do make some incredible fuck-ups Williams!) ;o)

It's a fine distinction between being laughed with and laughed at.

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

In article <Lr6%g.13921$Y24.2625@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> schreef:
> >
> >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little about
> >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
> >
> >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide you
> >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
> >
> > I sure as hell could use that.
> > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
> >
> > Whats the best way to drink it?
>
> I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer with
> <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.
>
> David
>
>

Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.

OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for beer
in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.

HTH.

--
Keith

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> schreef:

>> I sure as hell could use that.
>> I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.

>> Whats the best way to drink it?

> I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer with
> <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.

Tomato juice?

Weird.

----
Pete

Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> > > "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
>
> > >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little about
> > >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
>
> > >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide you
> > >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
>
> > > I sure as hell could use that.
> > > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
>
> > > Whats the best way to drink it?
>
> > I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer with
> > <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.
>
> Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
>
> OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for beer
> in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.

When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real beer".
Recommend a few that are available down here.

> HTH.

Always.

You are the Non Poop Shute.

David

In article <1161634021.599708.119060@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
> > > > "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
> >
> > > >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little about
> > > >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
> >
> > > >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide you
> > > >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
> >
> > > > I sure as hell could use that.
> > > > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
> >
> > > > Whats the best way to drink it?
> >
> > > I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer with
> > > <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.
> >
> > Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
> >
> > OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for beer
> > in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
>
> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real beer".
> Recommend a few that are available down here.

I'm not sure what is available down there, but a good rule of thumb is
you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a few
decent beers that aren't dark, but...

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hobbes <khobman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > > "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote
>> > > > "DavidCohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> schreef:
>> >
>> > > >> Keith, Poop Shute is the latest moron who not only knows little
>> > > >> about
>> > > >> most things, but takes pride in demonstrating his ignorance.
>> >
>> > > >> First, he'll be "educating" you about exercise, then he'll provide
>> > > >> you
>> > > >> with instructions on how to drink beer.
>> >
>> > > > I sure as hell could use that.
>> > > > I alweays manage to fuck up several cans of beer.
>> >
>> > > > Whats the best way to drink it?
>> >
>> > > I was hoping Poop Shute could convince Keith that drinking beer with
>> > > <shudder> tomato juice <SHUDDER> was just wrong in so many ways.
>> >
>> > Drinking real beer with tomatoe juice is really, really RONG.
>> >
>> > OTOH, downing an 18 oz glass of that insipid shit that passes for beer
>> > in the U.S of A. requires a uggy motivation.
>>
>> When I come off my latest PSMF diet cycle, I'll try some "real beer".
>> Recommend a few that are available down here.
>
> I'm not sure what is available down there,

This is Las Vegas: everything is available here.

> but a good rule of thumb is
> you shouldn't be able to see through your beer. I mean, there are a few
> decent beers that aren't dark, but...

Name your three favorite beers. I'll find at least one.

David

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:40:24 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <kogpj2tuv5jv67ner4gdrsc8t2uuf66327@4ax.com>,
> Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> You would be surprised what a fat person can do. I have seen fat
>> people workout many times harder then their skinny counterparts.
>
>No, I wouldn't.
>
>They are working hard because they are in crappy shape. They are nowhere
>near their lactic threshold or 80-85% of their aerobic capacity.
>
>Not just the fat guy either. The average person. You pretty much have to
>be able to run (not jog or walk) a marathon to get in the 'fat-burning'
>zone.

So your saying a fat person can't lose weight because they are not in
shape. Wow that is pure genius.

FYI they are working hard because they are carrying extra weight.
That means they don't have to go as long or as hard to get a better
workout. Try strapping a 100 pounds your back and see if you can run
a marathon with it. I can't believe your sitting here telling a
person can't loose weight by exercise unless they run a marathon. You
must have been living under bridge for the past 50 years.

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:40:47 +0100, Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:

>It rather depends where you are; from the can is more than acceptable
>in an al fresco situation, while cool beer at a party from crystal
>goblets is a very esoteric experience.
>
>Pints of fine old English Real Ale is a treat in pewter tankards, and
>I enjoy lager in a straight pint glass (also cold draught Guinness),
>while draught bitter at the Rugby Club is best enjoyed in a handled
>mug, which can be clasped to the chest for added security.
>
>I once was in a typical circle of rugby players following a great game
>of rugby, all of us clutching our beer mugs in the traditional manner,
>as the usual seemingly bottomless jug went endlessly round all the
>players. I knew something was going on as everyone was trying hard not
>to laugh for some odd reason.
>
>I downed my pint with a flourish as the jug approached yet again, when
>there was a clunk against my teeth, which was as unexpected as it was
>revolting. I discovered the opposing tight head prop, a gnarled and
>seasoned old campaigner and friend, had removed his full set of false
>teeth (with half his post match meal still clinging to them) and
>without me seeing him do it, had dropped them in my beer mug.
>
>I began to urge as the 'floaters' worked on my imagination, and had to
>flee in order to throw up in profusion in the nearest bog, which
>happened to be the la