? for this Spod asshole

Dearest anonymous moron. Tell me this. You claim that all sorts of adults
are either now having or going to have severe health problems from using
anabolic steroids. I am telling you that you are a bold faced liar. I can
tell you this with no doubt, car racing is FAR more dangerous than people
taking steroids. Do you want to challenge that? When Senna died back in 94,
that was as big a blow to F1 as it would have been had Arnold died at his
peak from taking steroids. Why were you not in Indianapolis a few weeks back
picketing the F1 race? FAR more people have died in F1 accidents than people
have from steroids. Come on asshole, step up to the plate with your facts.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

Hard Bop Drums wrote:
> Dearest anonymous moron. Tell me this. You claim that all sorts of adults
> are either now having or going to have severe health problems from using
> anabolic steroids. I am telling you that you are a bold faced liar. I can
> tell you this with no doubt, car racing is FAR more dangerous than people
> taking steroids. Do you want to challenge that? When Senna died back in 94,
> that was as big a blow to F1 as it would have been had Arnold died at his
> peak from taking steroids. Why were you not in Indianapolis a few weeks back
> picketing the F1 race? FAR more people have died in F1 accidents than people
> have from steroids. Come on asshole, step up to the plate with your facts.
>
>

Are you referring to me Robert? I don't recall ever claiming that adults
are going to be having health problems from the proper use of anabolic
steroids. In fact, we've discussed the use of different anabolics
several times regarding the treatment of anaemias. The anabolics I've
been on for more than two years are half of the drug regimen that's
keeping me alive.

Regards,

Ari

--
spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please
volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

Not you Ari. It is some other guy. I'm not worried about you. ;-)

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/


"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
news:f6kssn$2gnp$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> Hard Bop Drums wrote:
>> Dearest anonymous moron. Tell me this. You claim that all sorts of adults
>> are either now having or going to have severe health problems from using
>> anabolic steroids. I am telling you that you are a bold faced liar. I can
>> tell you this with no doubt, car racing is FAR more dangerous than people
>> taking steroids. Do you want to challenge that? When Senna died back in
>> 94, that was as big a blow to F1 as it would have been had Arnold died at
>> his peak from taking steroids. Why were you not in Indianapolis a few
>> weeks back picketing the F1 race? FAR more people have died in F1
>> accidents than people have from steroids. Come on asshole, step up to the
>> plate with your facts.
>>
>>
>
> Are you referring to me Robert? I don't recall ever claiming that adults
> are going to be having health problems from the proper use of anabolic
> steroids. In fact, we've discussed the use of different anabolics several
> times regarding the treatment of anaemias. The anabolics I've been on for
> more than two years are half of the drug regimen that's keeping me alive.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ari
>
> --
> spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
> Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please
> volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
> http://www.abmdr.org.au/
> http://www.marrow.org/

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/


"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam@hardbopdrums.com> wrote in message
news:q8mji.262330$Fk2.188973@newsfe08.phx...
> Dearest anonymous moron. Tell me this. You claim that all sorts of adults
> are either now having or going to have severe health problems from using
> anabolic steroids. I am telling you that you are a bold faced liar. I can
> tell you this with no doubt, car racing is FAR more dangerous than people
> taking steroids. Do you want to challenge that? When Senna died back in
> 94, that was as big a blow to F1 as it would have been had Arnold died at
> his peak from taking steroids. Why were you not in Indianapolis a few
> weeks back picketing the F1 race? FAR more people have died in F1
> accidents than people have from steroids. Come on asshole, step up to the
> plate with your facts.
>
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
>
>
>

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:26:15 -0700, "Hard Bop Drums"
<nospam@hardbopdrums.com> wrote:

>Dearest anonymous moron. Tell me this. You claim that all sorts of adults
>are either now having or going to have severe health problems from using
>anabolic steroids. I am telling you that you are a bold faced liar. I can
>tell you this with no doubt, car racing is FAR more dangerous than people
>taking steroids. Do you want to challenge that? When Senna died back in 94,
>that was as big a blow to F1 as it would have been had Arnold died at his
>peak from taking steroids. Why were you not in Indianapolis a few weeks back
>picketing the F1 race? FAR more people have died in F1 accidents than people
>have from steroids. Come on asshole, step up to the plate with your facts.

You make a good point here Rob and I am able to provide proof of much
more dangerous activities than the ingestion of 'steroids'.

Take for instance the highly risky practice of venturing an
ostentatious fart, following a good night out comprising a rip-roaring
Vindaloo curry with ten pints of Foster's lager, and a late night
Kebab on the way home.

Now, while farting on a contented and unprovoked digestive system,
before one goes out for the evening may produce a certain smugness due
to excellent performance, with high volume levels and musical
overtones relatively free of noxious odour, the inebriated
recklessness provoked by the practices of the preceding paragraph can
only ever result in certain disaster!!

The OP has no awareness of what *real* danger is all about, and it is
only right that you should draw the OP's ignorance to the "moron's"
attention.

Have a great weekend old chum (and stay clear of the curry) - you know
I intend to! ;o)

TFIF!

On Jul 6, 5:44 am, Charles <j...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:26:15 -0700, "Hard Bop Drums"
>
> <nos...@hardbopdrums.com> wrote:
> >Dearest anonymous moron. Tell me this. You claim that all sorts of adults
> >are either now having or going to have severe health problems from using
> >anabolic steroids. I am telling you that you are a bold faced liar. I can
> >tell you this with no doubt, car racing is FAR more dangerous than people
> >taking steroids. Do you want to challenge that? When Senna died back in 94,
> >that was as big a blow to F1 as it would have been had Arnold died at his
> >peak from taking steroids. Why were you not in Indianapolis a few weeks back
> >picketing the F1 race? FAR more people have died in F1 accidents than people
> >have from steroids. Come on asshole, step up to the plate with your facts.
>
> You make a good point here Rob and I am able to provide proof of much
> more dangerous activities than the ingestion of 'steroids'.
>
> Take for instance the highly risky practice of venturing an
> ostentatious fart, following a good night out comprising a rip-roaring
> Vindaloo curry with ten pints of Foster's lager, and a late night
> Kebab on the way home.
>
> Now, while farting on a contented and unprovoked digestive system,
> before one goes out for the evening may produce a certain smugness due
> to excellent performance, with high volume levels and musical
> overtones relatively free of noxious odour, the inebriated
> recklessness provoked by the practices of the preceding paragraph can
> only ever result in certain disaster!!
>
> The OP has no awareness of what *real* danger is all about, and it is
> only right that you should draw the OP's ignorance to the "moron's"
> attention.
>
> Have a great weekend old chum (and stay clear of the curry) - you know
> I intend to! ;o)
>
> TFIF!




Isn't Lee Priest on record as advising against amateurs using anabolic
steroids? I think he even calls it "stupid," given the risks involved
(and Lee's into NASCAR racing), so I think he should know.

I wouldn't take 'em. I'm doing good enough without them, and even if
I weren't, what would be the point if one isn't trying to compete on a
professional level. The vast majority of women don't even like that
freaky look, and even of those who can, they tend to prefer something
leaner.

"Hard Bop Drums" wrote:
> Dearest anonymous moron. Tell me this. You claim that all sorts of adults
> are either now having or going to have severe health problems from using
> anabolic steroids. I am telling you that you are a bold faced liar. I can
> tell you this with no doubt, car racing is FAR more dangerous than people
> taking steroids. Do you want to challenge that? When Senna died back in 94,
> that was as big a blow to F1 as it would have been had Arnold died at his
> peak from taking steroids. Why were you not in Indianapolis a few weeks back
> picketing the F1 race? FAR more people have died in F1 accidents than people
> have from steroids. Come on asshole, step up to the plate with your facts.

Hmm. How many F1 deaths? You mentioned facts. You made the challenge?
I doubt it's a question (F1 versus BB) that can be answered, but it's
an interesting question nonetheless.

Momo, Andreas, Yaxeni's friend Fannie Barrios, both Mentzer brothers,
Lyle Alzado, who else?

You can argue that anabolic steroids had nothing to do with any of
their deaths and I'd probably agree with you. Likewise, F1 racing, it
could be argued, had nothing to do with any racer's death.

"Nooo, it was the impact. It was the inability of the racer's flesh to
withstand flames. It wasn't racing per se. Noooo!"

If you're going to call it "F1 accidents" then you'd have to compare
those to bodybuilding accidents and not the use of AAS, imo. And if
you call it bodybuilding accidents then guys like Benaziza and Munzer
are included in your death count.

You can argue with the "anonymous" offenders all you like, but the
true problem is that AAS are illegal and not fully examined by the
FDA. Or is that me going all Colt 1911 again? ARE anabolic steroids
fully examined and understood by the FDA?

Shame about that kill file (and your attitude, of course), what with
your 30-plus years of AAS experience, your amateur bodybuilding
accomplishments, and the fact that you're a trainer of, uh,
champions. ;o) I'll bet you'd have something interesting to offer in
that discussion.

--
Curt

On Jul 6, 4:02 am, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
> Hard Bop Drums wrote:
> > Dearest anonymous moron. Tell me this. You claim that all sorts of adults
> > are either now having or going to have severe health problems from using
> > anabolic steroids. I am telling you that you are a bold faced liar. I can
> > tell you this with no doubt, car racing is FAR more dangerous than people
> > taking steroids. Do you want to challenge that? When Senna died back in 94,
> > that was as big a blow to F1 as it would have been had Arnold died at his
> > peak from taking steroids. Why were you not in Indianapolis a few weeks back
> > picketing the F1 race? FAR more people have died in F1 accidents than people
> > have from steroids. Come on asshole, step up to the plate with your facts.
>
> Are you referring to me Robert?

Ha! I missed that typo in the Subject line.

(Too bad you weren't using your REAL NAME, Ari.)

Spod =/= Spob

--
Curt

On Jul 6, 8:30 am, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 4:02 am, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>
> > Hard Bop Drums wrote:
> > > Dearest anonymous moron. Tell me this. You claim that all sorts of adults
> > > are either now having or going to have severe health problems from using
> > > anabolic steroids. I am telling you that you are a bold faced liar. I can
> > > tell you this with no doubt, car racing is FAR more dangerous than people
> > > taking steroids. Do you want to challenge that? When Senna died back in 94,
> > > that was as big a blow to F1 as it would have been had Arnold died at his
> > > peak from taking steroids. Why were you not in Indianapolis a few weeks back
> > > picketing the F1 race? FAR more people have died in F1 accidents than people
> > > have from steroids. Come on asshole, step up to the plate with your facts.
>
> > Are you referring to me Robert?
>
> Ha! I missed that typo in the Subject line.
>
> (Too bad you weren't using your REAL NAME, Ari.)
>
> Spod =/= Spob
>
> --
> Curt

yes,
http://letdiet.blogspot.com

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> schreef:

> Isn't Lee Priest on record as advising against amateurs using anabolic
> steroids? I think he even calls it "stupid," given the risks involved
> (and Lee's into NASCAR racing), so I think he should know.

Lee admitted that he started taking them in his late teens.

That meams he is not qualified to advice against them, and doing so is very
hypocrite...

Its like saying "Its cool for myself to get big, but NOT for others..."

> I wouldn't take 'em. I'm doing good enough without them, and even if
> I weren't, what would be the point if one isn't trying to compete on a
> professional level. The vast majority of women don't even like that
> freaky look, and even of those who can, they tend to prefer something
> leaner.

Leaner?

AS will help you get rid of bodyfat.

Also, AS will not give you that freaky look. High doses for several cycles
done over several years, coupled with grueling trainingf sessions and 5000
Kcals/day might result in a fraky look. Or not.

A few "mild" cycles with test or Deca will help you recover, and you will
gain some LBM, but certainly not a freaky look...

--
Pete

"Pete" <> Lee admitted that he started taking them in his late teens. That
meams he is not qualified to advice against them, and doing so is very
hypocrite...
>

Drug addicts and alcoholics speak from experience, and the fact that they
have done it all further validates what they are talking about.

Is it any coincidence that a large number of the pro bodybuilders do not
have kids??? No Testes? Shrinkage??

"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> schreef:

> Hmm. How many F1 deaths? You mentioned facts. You made the challenge?
> I doubt it's a question (F1 versus BB) that can be answered, but it's
> an interesting question nonetheless.

> Momo, Andreas, Yaxeni's friend Fannie Barrios, both Mentzer brothers,
> Lyle Alzado, who else?

Most, if not ALL "accidents" are diuretic or insuline related. Robert knows
that...

Severe hydration thickens the blood, and the blood was allready thicker to
begin with.

> You can argue with the "anonymous" offenders all you like, but the
> true problem is that AAS are illegal and not fully examined by the
> FDA. Or is that me going all Colt 1911 again? ARE anabolic steroids
> fully examined and understood by the FDA?

The truth is that we dont know.

We really dont know what high dosages taken for a long time does. We DO know
that high dosages of injectables cannot cause liver damage. They *might*
cause cardiovascular problems.

Thats the thing i am a little concerned about. The cardio stuff...

--
Pete

"Al Fitness" <alfitness73@yahoo.com> schreef:

> "Pete" <> Lee admitted that he started taking them in his late teens. That
> meams he is not qualified to advice against them, and doing so is very
> hypocrite...

> Drug addicts and alcoholics speak from experience, and the fact that they
> have done it all further validates what they are talking about.

Wrong analogy.

You cannot compare drug addicxts or alcoholics to AS users; The effects of
AS to the CNS are very mild.
They are not addictive.

> Is it any coincidence that a large number of the pro bodybuilders do not
> have kids??? No Testes? Shrinkage??

Homosexuals.

--
Pete

Pete wrote:
[...]

> Leaner?
>
> AS will help you get rid of bodyfat.
>
> Also, AS will not give you that freaky look. High doses for several cycles
> done over several years, coupled with grueling trainingf sessions and 5000
> Kcals/day might result in a fraky look. Or not.
>
> A few "mild" cycles with test or Deca will help you recover, and you will
> gain some LBM, but certainly not a freaky look...

It's absurd. It's stupid. It's dumb. It's annoying.

What is it?

The fact that I can walk out the apartment and a few blocks over and
pick up several gallons of whatever hard liquor I'd like. I can hike
my booze to the grocery store a few shops down from the liquor store
and load up on cigarettes, but NOWHERE in town can I get advice about
steroids or other drugs to do what you describe, Pete.

God bless America, but wtf wrt the war on drugs.

--
Curt

Al Fitness wrote:
[...]

> Drug addicts and alcoholics speak from experience,

I'm not sure I'd compare drug addicts and alcoholics with steroid
users. Fwiw.

> and the fact that they have done it all further validates
> what they are talking about.

I'm inclined, however, to agree with that bit.

> Is it any coincidence that a large number of the pro
> bodybuilders do not have kids???

Is that true? I don't think that's true. Old school, anyway, Katz has
kids, Schwarzenegger has kids, Ferrigno has at least one kid, iirc,
and Reg Park has a son for sure. The new school... dunno. And I'll bet
you don't know either.

> No Testes?

Big balls are no big deal.

> Shrinkage??

Seinfeld did rock. True.

--
Curt

Pete wrote:
> "Curt" schreef:
>
> > Hmm. How many F1 deaths? You mentioned facts. You made the challenge?
> > I doubt it's a question (F1 versus BB) that can be answered, but it's
> > an interesting question nonetheless.
> > Momo, Andreas, Yaxeni's friend Fannie Barrios, both Mentzer brothers,
> > Lyle Alzado, who else?
>
> Most, if not ALL "accidents" are diuretic or insuline related. Robert knows
> that...

Okay. Sad about all of them. The Mentzer family had a history of heart
disease. He and his brother were in Ephrata, back in the day, when
their mother was at the community hospital for just that ailment. They
also had hella muscles in their family tree, though. Saw one of his
relatives in a play at the local Lincoln Elementary. Kid looked like a
mini Hulk on stage.

I suspect Momo could've been saved if someone had been on the ball.

No clue wrt Andreas. And I was shocked to see that Fannie Barrios had
died. Just or relatively recently purchased Yaxeni's DVD 'Latin Style'
and was introduced to Fannie in that footage.

> Severe hydration thickens the blood, and the blood was allready thicker to
> begin with.

Okay.

> > You can argue with the "anonymous" offenders all you like, but the
> > true problem is that AAS are illegal and not fully examined by the
> > FDA. Or is that me going all Colt 1911 again? ARE anabolic steroids
> > fully examined and understood by the FDA?
>
> The truth is that we dont know.

And THAT is a damn shame. It's criminal beyond what any law states,
imo.

> We really dont know what high dosages taken for a long time does. We DO know
> that high dosages of injectables cannot cause liver damage. They *might*
> cause cardiovascular problems.
>
> Thats the thing i am a little concerned about. The cardio stuff...

Regardless, something is out there with your name on it. My name, too.
Whether it's a drunk driver, old age, or some disease or cancer.
SOMETHING is probably going to get you. And, yeah, me, too. But I'm
still holding out for that whole Sci-Fi Scenario: Skies part,
brilliant light, sound of Kim Basinger's voice saying, "I only sound
like Kim Basinger, but I'm even sexier and I'm an alien from outer
space looking for a few good art teachers to do a mural in exchange
for eternal life, incredible riches, supernatural power, and peace on
Earth for everyone except David Cohen!"

It could happen.

--
Curt

"Curt" <The new school... dunno. And I'll bet you don't know either.
>

I think Dorian has two kids. Not sure about Haney. Coleman had none. Of all
the women bodybuilders, I don't know any that have any kids.

"Al Fitness" <alfitness73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:nhlki.17747$09.15381@bignews8.bellsouth.net.. .
> "Pete" <> Lee admitted that he started taking them in his late teens. That
> meams he is not qualified to advice against them, and doing so is very
> hypocrite...
>>
>
> Drug addicts and alcoholics speak from experience, and the fact that they
> have done it all further validates what they are talking about.
>
> Is it any coincidence that a large number of the pro bodybuilders do not
> have kids??? No Testes? Shrinkage??
>
>

Do you take pride in your ignorance? Moron.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

"Hard Bop Drums" <> Do you take pride in your ignorance? Moron.
>

Before I knew anything about you, it was fun to rip you constantly. Now that
I know more about you, it is fun to read you remarks.

Steroids had a part in ruining and destroying your health. You are a perfect
example of someone in DENIAL. You blame everything else except steroids. I
hope someday you realize how your pals and their steroids contributed to all
of your health problems.

Good luck in dealing with those issues.

On Jul 9, 3:54 am, "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>
>
> Wrong analogy.
>
> You cannot compare drug addicxts or alcoholics to AS users; The effects of
> AS to the CNS are very mild.
> They are not addictive.

The point of comparison isn't the addictability, but that a heavy
user's testimony bears more weight: if Lee Priest is talking about how
bad it is, it must be true -- he should know!

Note that he did not advise against it for everyone, only those who
aren't pros (making a living from it). And that certainly makes
sense: the risk is outrageous for sheer vanity, which is why I'd added
that most girls seem to prefer a leaner muscular look, as opposed to
the ballooned muscles promoted by the mags.

> Homosexuals.

It sure looks that way! WTF is up with the tats and earrings and
striped short shorts and pink and pastel colors????

> --
> Pete

On Jul 10, 6:29 am, "Al Fitness" <alfitnes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Hard Bop Drums" <> Do you take pride in your ignorance? Moron.
>
>
>
> Before I knew anything about you, it was fun to rip you constantly. Now that
> I know more about you, it is fun to read you remarks.

People like him in this newsgroup are a sad lot. They are like VFW/
American Legion bar flies yammering about "the 'Nam" and shit while
their tattoos fade and beer bellies grow.

> Steroids had a part in ruining and destroying your health. You are a perfect
> example of someone in DENIAL. You blame everything else except steroids. I
> hope someday you realize how your pals and their steroids contributed to all
> of your health problems.
>
> Good luck in dealing with those issues.

He's still got 'roid rage, too! The muscle mags ought to do a
"whatever happened to..." article on him. He should donate himself to
science right now.

Prisoner at War wrote:
> On Jul 9, 3:54 am, "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Wrong analogy.
>>
>> You cannot compare drug addicxts or alcoholics to AS users; The effects of
>> AS to the CNS are very mild.
>> They are not addictive.
>
> The point of comparison isn't the addictability, but that a heavy
> user's testimony bears more weight: if Lee Priest is talking about how
> bad it is, it must be true -- he should know!
>
> Note that he did not advise against it for everyone, only those who
> aren't pros (making a living from it). And that certainly makes
> sense: the risk is outrageous for sheer vanity,

What risk?

AAS have kept my bone marrow going for the last two years. I am taking
no anti-estrogens or aramatase inhibitors. The only thing I don't like
is the actual needles, which have done some damage, but that's rare.
Granted I'm no stronger than I was four years ago despite sound and
consistent training to get back there and two years of AAS treatment for
the marrow function, but that may be more to do with the other problems
one gets with bone marrow failure and the long term treatments
associated with it to avoid a high risk transplant.

So, again, what risk? Some people may develop gynecomastia, but that's
not an outrageous risk. Some people get high blood pressure (I did, and
it had to be dealt with at the time, but it's fine now), and that could
be a risk (it was for me with my medical circumstances) but it's
transient if the user is cycling. There are lots of other things that
can sometimes occur, but which ones are "outrageous"?

Ari


--
spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please
volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

I'm not familiar with your situation, but it sounds like you have a
physical need for steroids, which isn't what we're talking about when
we wonder whether there are risks involved.

I will believe Lee Priest when he says that the risk potential only
make sense for those dedicated to making a living from competitive
bodybuilding.

I do think they should be available to any who want to assume those
risks, but they should be regulated like cigarettes and alcohol, with
the added stipulation of regular medical supervision.



On Jul 10, 2:04 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>
>
> What risk?
>
> AAS have kept my bone marrow going for the last two years. I am taking
> no anti-estrogens or aramatase inhibitors. The only thing I don't like
> is the actual needles, which have done some damage, but that's rare.
> Granted I'm no stronger than I was four years ago despite sound and
> consistent training to get back there and two years of AAS treatment for
> the marrow function, but that may be more to do with the other problems
> one gets with bone marrow failure and the long term treatments
> associated with it to avoid a high risk transplant.
>
> So, again, what risk? Some people may develop gynecomastia, but that's
> not an outrageous risk. Some people get high blood pressure (I did, and
> it had to be dealt with at the time, but it's fine now), and that could
> be a risk (it was for me with my medical circumstances) but it's
> transient if the user is cycling. There are lots of other things that
> can sometimes occur, but which ones are "outrageous"?
>
> Ari
>
> --
> spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
> Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please
> volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:http://www.abmdr.org.au/http://www.marrow.org/

Al Fitness wrote:

re Robert Schuh

> Before I knew anything about you, it was fun to rip you constantly. Now that
> I know more about you, it is fun to read you remarks.
>
> Steroids had a part in ruining and destroying your health. You are a perfect
> example of someone in DENIAL. You blame everything else except steroids. I
> hope someday you realize how your pals and their steroids contributed to all
> of your health problems.
>
> Good luck in dealing with those issues.

I think it's luck of the genetic draw. Sure, he was pretty - okay, awe-
inspiring from a physique competitor perspective - what have you,
however his physical ailments seem to far exceed what other steroid
users have encountered. All that to say this: I think you're wrong.

Schuh's steroid use has NOT had a part in "ruining and destroying" his
health.

Fwiw.

Agreed on him being a jerk, though. Definitely.

--
Curt

Prisoner at War wrote:
[...]

re anabolic steroids

> I do think they should be available to any who want to assume those
> risks, but they should be regulated like cigarettes and alcohol, with
> the added stipulation of regular medical supervision.

Agreed.

All those in favor say "Aye!"

Aye, dammit.

--
Curt

Prisoner at War wrote:
[...]

> WTF is up with the tats and earrings

Not a bad look! ;o)

> and striped short shorts and pink and pastel colors????

Reminds me of my days at GNC, selling those clown pants (and, yeah,
wearing them, too - the style at the time) by the gross. And
Powerhouse Gym t-shirts plus those "big neck hole" sweatshirts in
fluorescent colors. YES!

D

Wait, I meant "D'OH!"

--
Curt

On Jul 10, 11:05 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Jul 10, 6:29 am, "Al Fitness" <alfitnes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Hard Bop Drums" <> Do you take pride in your ignorance? Moron.
>
> > Before I knew anything about you, it was fun to rip you constantly. Now that
> > I know more about you, it is fun to read you remarks.
>
> People like him in this newsgroup are a sad lot. They are like VFW/
> American Legion bar flies yammering about "the 'Nam" and shit while
> their tattoos fade and beer bellies grow.

nuf said...

> > Steroids had a part in ruining and destroying your health. You are a perfect
> > example of someone in DENIAL. You blame everything else except steroids. I
> > hope someday you realize how your pals and their steroids contributed to all
> > of your health problems.
>
> > Good luck in dealing with those issues.
>
> He's still got 'roid rage, too! The muscle mags ought to do a
> "whatever happened to..." article on him. He should donate himself to
> science right now.

Isn't it obvious? It sure is! Whenever someone tells steroids kill
or steroids are bad, Robert Schuh, the awesome v taper comes to the
rescue... Tsk tsk tsk...


-vince

On Jul 10, 10:57 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Jul 9, 3:54 am, "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wrong analogy.
>
> > You cannot compare drug addicxts or alcoholics to AS users; The effects of
> > AS to the CNS are very mild.
> > They are not addictive.
>
> The point of comparison isn't the addictability, but that a heavy
> user's testimony bears more weight: if Lee Priest is talking about how
> bad it is, it must be true -- he should know!
>
> Note that he did not advise against it for everyone, only those who
> aren't pros (making a living from it). And that certainly makes
> sense: the risk is outrageous for sheer vanity, which is why I'd added
> that most girls seem to prefer a leaner muscular look, as opposed to
> the ballooned muscles promoted by the mags.

Well, it depends, i mean, if your grow near the comparison of a pro,
then your girl should accept you for it ( My Girl does) .. However, If
digging chicks is what you wanted, a leaner look gets all the credit.

> > Homosexuals.
>
> It sure looks that way!

Secodn the motion.


>WTF is up with the tats and earrings and
> striped short shorts and pink and pastel colors????

Yeah, some sure looks gay to me...

I'd rather wear dark ones than those pink ones..

Before guys just could wear trunks that look great and just pose their
way out, but right now, you'll see some trunks that are kinda gay and
would make you think are these real guys on stage?


Have a nice day folks!
-Vince

On Jul 9, 3:16 pm, "Al Fitness" <alfitnes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Pete" <> Lee admitted that he started taking them in his late teens. That
> meams he is not qualified to advice against them, and doing so is very
> hypocrite...
>
>
>
> Drug addicts and alcoholics speak from experience, and the fact that they
> have done it all further validates what they are talking about.
>
> Is it any coincidence that a large number of the pro bodybuilders do not
> have kids???

I don't know but yeah, as Curt said, Arnold has kids, Flex has one ( i
guess), Mike Katz has two, Lou Ferrigno has 3 including a junior of
his, Dorian Yeats has kids, I don't know about the others but surely,
Ronnie Coleman, (nopw this is just my own opinion folks) can't have a
child, correct me if i'm wrong since it's obvious that he had been on
drugs for too long now.

>No Testes? Shrinkage??


Sadly, yes... But lucky for us who don't use them though, Coz we rock
baby!


-Vince

VinCe wrote:
> Prisoner at War wrote:
[...]

> > WTF is up with <snip> striped short shorts and pink and
> > pastel colors????
>
> Yeah, some sure looks gay to me...
>
> I'd rather wear dark ones than those pink ones..
>
> Before guys just could wear trunks that look great and just pose their
> way out, but right now, <snip>

Cynthia James might be responsible for the sparkles and sequins.

http://www.cynthia-james.com/

--
Curt

VinCe wrote:
> "Al Fitness" wrote:
> > "Pete" <> Lee admitted that he started taking them in his late teens. That
> > meams he is not qualified to advice against them, and doing so is very
> > hypocrite...
>
> > Drug addicts and alcoholics speak from experience, and the fact that they
> > have done it all further validates what they are talking about.
>
> > Is it any coincidence that a large number of the pro bodybuilders do not
> > have kids???
>
> I don't know but yeah, as Curt said, Arnold has kids, Flex has one ( i

Didn't know Flex had a kid.

> guess), Mike Katz has two, Lou Ferrigno has 3 including a junior of
> his, Dorian Yeats has kids, I don't know about the others but surely,
> Ronnie Coleman, (nopw this is just my own opinion folks) can't have a
> child, correct me if i'm wrong since it's obvious that he had been on
> drugs for too long now.

What? Arnold's physique career was as long as Coleman's has been,
right? Hmm.

(Googles)

Duh. I'm wrong. (Cohen, please note.)

Okay, Big Ron's been at it longer (at least so far as competition is
concerned) than Arnie. Wiki shows Coleman's first title as the 1990
Mr. Texas, so that's 1990 to 2007 for 17 years versus Schwarzenegger's
10.

Still, if gear was going to stop someone from having children then I'd
guess that ten years would do it. Obviously didn't with Arnold, so I
suspect that Coleman could father some children, too.

Fwiw and by way of trivia, I find it odd that the Wiki entry has the
following:

"According to a spokesperson, Schwarzenegger has not used steroids
since 1990 when they were made illegal."

1990? What's up with that date? He competed from, say, 1965 to 1975
(not counting the 'reunion tour' of 1980), so why would he have been
taking steroids in 1990, especially given his 1977 quote:

"steroids were helpful to me in maintaining muscle size while on a
strict diet in preparation for a contest. I did not use them for
muscle growth, but rather for muscle maintenance when cutting up."

Wendy Leigh's book ( http://www.amazon.com/Arnold-Unautho.../dp/0865532168
) dismisses the above quote, more or less, too.

> > No Testes? Shrinkage??
>
> Sadly, yes... But lucky for us who don't use them though, Coz we rock
> baby!

And as long as I have Amazon open in another browser, Jose Canseco's
book (
http://www.amazon.com/Juiced-Times-R...4121882&sr=8-1
) noted that he had no problems, uh, rockin'.

Btw, Canseco has a daughter.

Hnh! His wife wrote a book? That title and other Canseco items:
http://tinyurl.com/37j9so

--
Curt

On Jul 11, 10:48 am, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> VinCe wrote:
> > "Al Fitness" wrote:
> > > "Pete" <> Lee admitted that he started taking them in his late teens. That
> > > meams he is not qualified to advice against them, and doing so is very
> > > hypocrite...
>
> > > Drug addicts and alcoholics speak from experience, and the fact that they
> > > have done it all further validates what they are talking about.
>
> > > Is it any coincidence that a large number of the pro bodybuilders do not
> > > have kids???
>
> > I don't know but yeah, as Curt said, Arnold has kids, Flex has one ( i
>
> Didn't know Flex had a kid.

Maybe i got it wrong or maybe Flex wheeler wasn't the father of the
child his wife was carrying in the pic. I saw it on flex magazine
with Kevin Levrone on the cover. The year Ronnie Coleman won his
first. (with gyno) Well, i was wrong but there is a pic of him
together with his wife and holding the baby's little hand.



> > guess), Mike Katz has two, Lou Ferrigno has 3 including a junior of
> > his, Dorian Yeats has kids, I don't know about the others but surely,
> > Ronnie Coleman, (nopw this is just my own opinion folks) can't have a
> > child, correct me if i'm wrong since it's obvious that he had been on
> > drugs for too long now.


Forgive my spelling error.. It's Yates... hehe


> What? Arnold's physique career was as long as Coleman's has been,
> right? Hmm.

> (Googles)
>
> Duh. I'm wrong. (Cohen, please note.)
>
> Okay, Big Ron's been at it longer (at least so far as competition is
> concerned) than Arnie. Wiki shows Coleman's first title as the 1990
> Mr. Texas, so that's 1990 to 2007 for 17 years versus Schwarzenegger's
> 10.

I'm not sure but perhaps (correct me if i'm wrong) Arnold's only
taking less varieties of drugs compared to Ronnie Coleman.

> Still, if gear was going to stop someone from having children then I'd
> guess that ten years would do it. Obviously didn't with Arnold, so I
> suspect that Coleman could father some children, too.

I don't know, i just have a bad feeling though.. =)


> Fwiw and by way of trivia, I find it odd that the Wiki entry has the
> following:
>
> "According to a spokesperson, Schwarzenegger has not used steroids
> since 1990 when they were made illegal."

Maybe he used some during his rising hallywud days? nah! i don't know!


> 1990? What's up with that date? He competed from, say, 1965 to 1975
> (not counting the 'reunion tour' of 1980), so why would he have been
> taking steroids in 1990, especially given his 1977 quote:
>
> "steroids were helpful to me in maintaining muscle size while on a
> strict diet in preparation for a contest. I did not use them for
> muscle growth, but rather for muscle maintenance when cutting up."

Well maybe he was cutting up?

> Wendy Leigh's book (http://www.amazon.com/Arnold-Unautho...dy-Leigh/dp/08...
> ) dismisses the above quote, more or less, too.
>
> > > No Testes? Shrinkage??
>
> > Sadly, yes... But lucky for us who don't use them though, Coz we rock
> > baby!
>
> And as long as I have Amazon open in another browser, Jose Canseco's
> book (http://www.amazon.com/Juiced-Times-R...ll/dp/00607464...
> ) noted that he had no problems, uh, rockin'.
>
> Btw, Canseco has a daughter.

Ok, perhaps it's a either you will have one or you'll just die
trying... =)

> Hnh! His wife wrote a book? That title and other Canseco items:http://tinyurl.com/37j9so
>
> --
> Curt


Oh, btw, any news about arron maddron or stan curly top macrary(SP)?

Do they still compete?

Maddron are with muscletech right? Is he still with them now?

Thanks,

-Vince

"Fuck off trolls!"
-Rob Schuh,
the v taper

"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote
>
> Du