Squat record

Hey yalls,

Not convinced that this is anything i'd call a squat:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C4yQGxFJKw4

But hey, i'm not complaining - it's a functional exercise.

tom

--
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets
of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a
whole galaxy of multi colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and
also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw
ether and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all this for the trip,
but once you get locked in a serious drug collection, the tendency is
to push it as far as you can. -- Hunter S. Thompson, 'Fear and loathing
in Las Vegas'

On Dec 30, 5:38 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> Hey yalls,
>
> Not convinced that this is anything i'd call a squat:

Agreed there. It's a suuuumo squat, Tom.

> http://youtube.com/watch?v=C4yQGxFJKw4
>
> But hey, i'm not complaining - it's a functional exercise.

What function? Getting out of a chair five thousand times in x amount
of time? How long was she doing that movement?

And where's the ice? OUCH! Her knees have GOT to be killing her.

--
Curt

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007, Curt wrote:

> On Dec 30, 5:38 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
>> Hey yalls,
>>
>> Not convinced that this is anything i'd call a squat:
>
> Agreed there. It's a suuuumo squat, Tom.

I'm not even convinced it's that.

>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=C4yQGxFJKw4
>>
>> But hey, i'm not complaining - it's a functional exercise.
>
> What function?

Sex.

> Getting out of a chair five thousand times in x amount of time? How long
> was she doing that movement?

An hour.

> And where's the ice? OUCH! Her knees have GOT to be killing her.

Oh, believe me, when it's for real, her knees are going to be the last
thing she's worried about.

tom

--
In my view, this is no different than a parent introducing his child to
Shakespeare (except that the iambic pentameter is replaced by a framework
of profanity, misogyny, substance abuse, violence, retaliation, crime
and infidelity). -- Dad Gone Mad, on rap

On Dec 30, 8:01 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007, Curt wrote:
> > On Dec 30, 5:38 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> >> Hey yalls,
>
> >> Not convinced that this is anything i'd call a squat:
>
> > Agreed there. It's a suuuumo squat, Tom.
>
> I'm not even convinced it's that.
>
> >>http://youtube.com/watch?v=C4yQGxFJKw4
>
> >> But hey, i'm not complaining - it's a functional exercise.
>
> > What function?
>
> Sex.

Hmm. Really? I've heard stories about that stuff. I assumed it was all
myth and legend, though.

> > Getting out of a chair five thousand times in x amount of time? How long
> > was she doing that movement?
>
> An hour.

Zoinks!

> > And where's the ice? OUCH! Her knees have GOT to be killing her.
>
> Oh, believe me, when it's for real, her knees are going to be the last
> thing she's worried about.
>
> tom

heh

TEAR IT UP!

Er, I meant, "Say, how's the weather in your neck of the woods?"

--
Curt

That's actually how the U.S. Army counts a push-up. They are actually
very particular about having your head "up" -- that is, not look down
at the floor, which I understand is a bad position for your neck --
but they do allow that kind of bouncing, like in the video you linked,
where half of any work done is utilizing momentum.

As for what this lady does, it's weird even for a bodyweight squat,
seeing how she's got her hands on her thighs for support -- if not
actually pushing off of them, too!



On Dec 30, 5:38 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> Hey yalls,
>
> Not convinced that this is anything i'd call a squat:
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=C4yQGxFJKw4
>
> But hey, i'm not complaining - it's a functional exercise.
>
> tom
>
> --
> We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets
> of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a
> whole galaxy of multi colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and
> also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw
> ether and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all this for the trip,
> but once you get locked in a serious drug collection, the tendency is
> to push it as far as you can. -- Hunter S. Thompson, 'Fear and loathing
> in Las Vegas'

On Dec 31, 12:57 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> That's actually how the U.S. Army counts a push-up. They are actually
> very particular about having your head "up" -- that is, not look down
> at the floor, which I understand is a bad position for your neck --
>
> <SNIP>


Just to clarify: having your head "up," as the Army insists, is what I
understand to be bad for the neck. The more natural and ergonomic
position of facing the floor or just slightly ahead (as opposed to
fully "up") is seen by the Army as cheating because it somehow makes
the movement easier...despite, again, their allowing for bouncing off
your elbows and using momentum!

latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> On Dec 31, 12:57 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > That's actually how the U.S. Army counts a push-up. They are actually
> > very particular about having your head "up" -- that is, not look down
> > at the floor, which I understand is a bad position for your neck --
> >
> > <SNIP>
>
> Just to clarify: having your head "up," as the Army insists, is what I
> understand to be bad for the neck. The more natural and ergonomic
> position of facing the floor or just slightly ahead (as opposed to
> fully "up") is seen by the Army as cheating because it somehow makes
> the movement easier...despite, again, their allowing for bouncing off
> your elbows and using momentum!

that's different from every APFT i ever took.

you have to keep your body straight from the shoulders to the heels, you
can only rest in the "up" position, and if either of your palms or feet leave
the ground, you are done right there.

also, in order for a pushup to count, you must break the plane of your elbows
on the down stroke* AND make it all the way back up to where your elbows lock.
also, you can't touch the ground with any part of your body besides the palms
and toes.

redc1c4,
(*certain female soldiers are exempt from this requirement...... %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

On Dec 31, 2:05 am, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
>
>
> that's different from every APFT i ever took.

What's different?

> you have to keep your body straight from the shoulders to the heels, you
> can only rest in the "up" position, and if either of your palms or feet leave
> the ground, you are done right there.

I'm talking about the position of the head.

The other one.

> also, in order for a pushup to count, you must break the plane of your elbows
> on the down stroke* AND make it all the way back up to where your elbows lock.
> also, you can't touch the ground with any part of your body besides the palms
> and toes.

When knocking out 70+ push-ups in 2 mikes, no one checks to see if
your elbows are locked. Though I doubt that's actually a
requirement....

> redc1c4,
> (*certain female soldiers are exempt from this requirement...... %-)
> --
> "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
> considerable watching."
>
> Army Officer's Guide

latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> On Dec 31, 2:05 am, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
> >
> >
> > that's different from every APFT i ever took.
>
> What's different?
>
> > you have to keep your body straight from the shoulders to the heels, you
> > can only rest in the "up" position, and if either of your palms or feet leave
> > the ground, you are done right there.
>
> I'm talking about the position of the head.
>
> The other one.

unless there has ben a change, your head can be in any position you wish, as
long as it doesn't touch the ground.

> > also, in order for a pushup to count, you must break the plane of your elbows
> > on the down stroke* AND make it all the way back up to where your elbows lock.
> > also, you can't touch the ground with any part of your body besides the palms
> > and toes.
>
> When knocking out 70+ push-ups in 2 mikes, no one checks to see if
> your elbows are locked. Though I doubt that's actually a
> requirement....

try reading the regs. that's what they say.... if the people administering the
test don't do it to standard that's a leadership issue.

redc1c4,
one advantage of old age: you don't have to do 70 pushups. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

"Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> schreef:

>> What function?

> Sex.

Women should squat & deadlift, at ALL times. And some cable rows.

And some overhead, low partial squats, with an 8 inch ROM, done explosively,
for high reps. About 25-30.

Trust me.

--
Pete

On Dec 31, 4:06 am, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
>
>
> unless there has ben a change, your head can be in any position you wish, as
> long as it doesn't touch the ground.

What I'm referring to is back during my TIS '93-'96. You were
supposed to keep your head "up," as in looking forward and not down on
the floor, which is the more natural position and the recommended
one. This was how they tested at Benning, and at Carson.

> try reading the regs. that's what they say.... if the people administering the
> test don't do it to standard that's a leadership issue.

I can only assume the drill and platoon sergeants know what they're
doing. Frankly, I'd never even considered that the Army had a field
manual on the push-up, though I shouldn't be surprised if it did.

> redc1c4,
> one advantage of old age: you don't have to do 70 pushups. %-)

GEN Petraeus is reported as knocking out 81 in 90 seconds by the
current issue of "Runner's World" magazine -- after running over 5
miles at under six minutes a mile! I'm sure he utilized a lot of
momentum on his push-ups, which is what the APFT encourages, given the
way it's set up as a "speed test," but that's still an impressive
achievement for an old fella, even if he is probably a featherweight.

I wonder whether he had his head up...that's much more difficult --
not to mention, bad for the neck.

> --
> "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
> considerable watching."
>
> Army Officer's Guide

>latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
>>

>> When knocking out 70+ push-ups in 2 mikes, no one checks to see if
>> your elbows are locked. Though I doubt that's actually a
>> requirement....

If the grader is doing his/her job they are.

One way to tell if the APFT is being properly administered is to check
to see of the scorers are crouched down so thy can observe that the
plane is broken and the elbows fully lock.

I established a 'certified APFT scorer' program at my unit - primarily
to ensure that my soldiers were prepared for the APFT they will get at
WLC, BNOC, ANOC etc.


--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Uncle Bob wrote:

> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> schreef:
>
>>> What function?
>>
>> Sex.
>
> Women should squat & deadlift, at ALL times.

Yes.

> And some cable rows.

Why?

> And some overhead, low partial squats, with an 8 inch ROM, done
> explosively, for high reps. About 25-30.

Sounds good.

> Trust me.

As always.

I might add dips or decline bench, done for hypertrophy.

tom

--
I do not think we will have to wait for long.

This reminds me of this article I read written by a doctor.
A local prison had suddenly had several cases of prisoner complaining
of severe
leg pain. Also, the prisoners were also pissing blood.

Whay had happened was the prisoners, not having much to do, decided
to engage in a deep knee bend competition.
They pushed themselves to the point past which the muscle cell could
take up oxygen and the muscle
cell in their thighs all died.

Can you imagine ?

The dead muscle cells began dissolving and the body was flushing them
out through the urine.

The doctor said that the cells probably wouldn't be replaced.

The moral of the story ?.....moderation people.

latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> On Dec 31, 4:06 am, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
> >
> >
> > unless there has ben a change, your head can be in any position you wish, as
> > long as it doesn't touch the ground.
>
> What I'm referring to is back during my TIS '93-'96. You were
> supposed to keep your head "up," as in looking forward and not down on
> the floor, which is the more natural position and the recommended
> one. This was how they tested at Benning, and at Carson.

Harmony Church class of '83, B-9-2. i did'em head down, never a problem.

> > try reading the regs. that's what they say.... if the people administering the
> > test don't do it to standard that's a leadership issue.
>
> I can only assume the drill and platoon sergeants know what they're
> doing. Frankly, I'd never even considered that the Army had a field
> manual on the push-up, though I shouldn't be surprised if it did.

https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldier...21-20/Ch14.htm

you will note that the pic shows the head facing down. anyone who made you do
it any other way was probably related to the morons who told us running in
boots was good for you because it hurt.

redc1c4,
when all else fails, RTFM. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:34:45 GMT, redc1c4
<redc1c4@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:


>you will note that the pic shows the head facing down. anyone who made you do
>it any other way was probably related to the morons who told us running in
>boots was good for you because it hurt.

Although head position is not required - common advice given to
soldiers who do not go down far enough is to keep their heads up. When
you are looking at the ground you think you are going down farther
than you really are.


--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

In article <47789510.509F7E4@drunkenbastards.org.ies>, redc1c4
@drunkenbastards.org.ies says...
> latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 31, 12:57 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > That's actually how the U.S. Army counts a push-up. They are actually
> > > very particular about having your head "up" -- that is, not look down
> > > at the floor, which I understand is a bad position for your neck --
> > >
> > > <SNIP>
> >
> > Just to clarify: having your head "up," as the Army insists, is what I
> > understand to be bad for the neck. The more natural and ergonomic
> > position of facing the floor or just slightly ahead (as opposed to
> > fully "up") is seen by the Army as cheating because it somehow makes
> > the movement easier...despite, again, their allowing for bouncing off
> > your elbows and using momentum!
>
> that's different from every APFT i ever took.

Nor any I have taken.

>
> you have to keep your body straight from the shoulders to the heels, you
> can only rest in the "up" position, and if either of your palms or feet leave
> the ground, you are done right there.
>
> also, in order for a pushup to count, you must break the plane of your elbows
> on the down stroke* AND make it all the way back up to where your elbows lock.
> also, you can't touch the ground with any part of your body besides the palms
> and toes.

It wouldn't be the first time some over zelious wanna be made troops do
pushup that didn't fit the reg..





>
> redc1c4,
> (*certain female soldiers are exempt from this requirement...... %-)

We had one at the HHD that never did a "legal" push up the whole two
years I was there...

In article <477952AB.A65B458E@drunkenbastards.org.ies>, redc1c4
@drunkenbastards.org.ies says...
> latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 31, 4:06 am, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > unless there has ben a change, your head can be in any position you wish, as
> > > long as it doesn't touch the ground.
> >
> > What I'm referring to is back during my TIS '93-'96. You were
> > supposed to keep your head "up," as in looking forward and not down on
> > the floor, which is the more natural position and the recommended
> > one. This was how they tested at Benning, and at Carson.
>
> Harmony Church class of '83, B-9-2. i did'em head down, never a problem.

Newbie... ;')
Methinks I smell an artist in this other fellow's posts...

>
> > > try reading the regs. that's what they say.... if the people administering the
> > > test don't do it to standard that's a leadership issue.
> >
> > I can only assume the drill and platoon sergeants know what they're
> > doing. Frankly, I'd never even considered that the Army had a field
> > manual on the push-up, though I shouldn't be surprised if it did.
>
> https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldier...21-20/Ch14.htm
>
> you will note that the pic shows the head facing down. anyone who made you do
> it any other way was probably related to the morons who told us running in
> boots was good for you because it hurt.


I don't miss doing PT in boots... That is for sure.

In article <4778B155.885DB817@drunkenbastards.org.ies>, redc1c4
@drunkenbastards.org.ies says...
> latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2:05 am, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > that's different from every APFT i ever took.
> >
> > What's different?
> >
> > > you have to keep your body straight from the shoulders to the heels, you
> > > can only rest in the "up" position, and if either of your palms or feet leave
> > > the ground, you are done right there.
> >
> > I'm talking about the position of the head.
> >
> > The other one.
>
> unless there has ben a change, your head can be in any position you wish, as
> long as it doesn't touch the ground.

>
> > > also, in order for a pushup to count, you must break the plane of your elbows
> > > on the down stroke* AND make it all the way back up to where your elbows lock.
> > > also, you can't touch the ground with any part of your body besides the palms
> > > and toes.
> >
> > When knocking out 70+ push-ups in 2 mikes, no one checks to see if
> > your elbows are locked. Though I doubt that's actually a
> > requirement....

>
> try reading the regs. that's what they say.... if the people administering the
> test don't do it to standard that's a leadership issue.

One should read the verbatum text from the reg and then offer a
demonstration of the exercise before testing.

> redc1c4,
> one advantage of old age: you don't have to do 70 pushups. %-)

Thank god for birthdays...

On Dec 31, 3:34 pm, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
>
>
> Harmony Church class of '83, B-9-2. i did'em head down, never a problem.

That's '83. They probably made you press your BDUs, too.

> https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldier...iew/public/950...
>
> you will note that the pic shows the head facing down. anyone who made you do
> it any other way was probably related to the morons who told us running in
> boots was good for you because it hurt.

Yeah, we did those too -- at Benning and Carson! Not regularly, thank
Goodness. And enough "physical fitness knowledge" seemed to have
seeped in for them to have us work different bodyparts on different
days (i.e., push-ups and pull-ups every other day).

> redc1c4,
> when all else fails, RTFM. %-)

WTF are you talking about now? You just follow orders. Yeah, I'd
like to see you wave an Army field manual in the platoon sergeant's
face....

> --
> "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
> considerable watching."
>
> Army Officer's Guide

On Dec 31, 7:57 pm, Colin Campbell <activated_...@gmail.com (remove
underscore)> wrote:
>
>
> Although head position is not required - common advice given to
> soldiers who do not go down far enough is to keep their heads up. When
> you are looking at the ground you think you are going down farther
> than you really are.

It was explained to us at Benning that looking down makes it easier --
which, being much more ergonomic, it certainly was, but in a good way,
as opposed to the flagrant bouncing (using of momentum) that's allowed
(?!?!).

They did not count any push-up at Benning that was performed with the
head "down."

> --
> There can be no triumph without loss.
> No victory without suffering.
> No freedom without sacrifice.

On Dec 31, 8:32 pm, tankfixer <n...@null.org> wrote:
>
>
> Newbie... ;')

Is he implying that he was a Ranger?? 92 MOSes are supply clerks.

> Methinks I smell an artist in this other fellow's posts...

It's your breath backing up. Try to type silently.

> I don't miss doing PT in boots... That is for sure.

I actually like it. It was just what they showed on TV -- "Be All You
Can Be."

The Army should have never dropped that ad jingle.

On Dec 31, 1:41 pm, Colin Campbell <activated_...@gmail.com (remove
underscore)> wrote:
>
>
> If the grader is doing his/her job they are.
>
> One way to tell if the APFT is being properly administered is to check
> to see of the scorers are crouched down so thy can observe that the
> plane is broken and the elbows fully lock.

You can't really tell because it's being knocked out so fast.
Morevoer, nobody gets down like that to check. They're usually
sitting on a chair or standing up with a clipboard. Besides, locking
elbows is medically ill-advised (joints in general, on any exercise,
especially when speed is involved) .

> I established a 'certified APFT scorer' program at my unit - primarily
> to ensure that my soldiers were prepared for the APFT they will get at
> WLC, BNOC, ANOC etc.

Do you know what it means to lock a joint? It's like when you're
standing in formation for long periods, for whatever reason -- the
advise is to *not* lock your knees.

> --
> There can be no triumph without loss.
> No victory without suffering.
> No freedom without sacrifice.

latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> On Dec 31, 3:34 pm, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Harmony Church class of '83, B-9-2. i did'em head down, never a problem.
>
> That's '83. They probably made you press your BDUs, too.
>
> > https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldier...iew/public/950...
> >
> > you will note that the pic shows the head facing down. anyone who made you do
> > it any other way was probably related to the morons who told us running in
> > boots was good for you because it hurt.
>
> Yeah, we did those too -- at Benning and Carson! Not regularly, thank
> Goodness. And enough "physical fitness knowledge" seemed to have
> seeped in for them to have us work different bodyparts on different
> days (i.e., push-ups and pull-ups every other day).
>
> > redc1c4,
> > when all else fails, RTFM. %-)
>
> WTF are you talking about now? You just follow orders. Yeah, I'd
> like to see you wave an Army field manual in the platoon sergeant's
> face....

well, now we know why you barely did 3 and i survived 20 years......

redc1c4,
who burned more than a few PSG's. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:00:03 -0800 (PST), latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:

>> Although head position is not required - common advice given to soldiers
>> who do not go down far enough is to keep their heads up. When you are
>> looking at the ground you think you are going down farther than you
>> really are.
>
> It was explained to us at Benning that looking down makes it easier --
> which, being much more ergonomic, it certainly was, but in a good way,
> as opposed to the flagrant bouncing (using of momentum) that's allowed
> (?!?!).
>
> They did not count any push-up at Benning that was performed with the
> head "down."

I figured they'd follow the regulations, but it looks like I'd be wrong.

During my 12-years I don't recall any mention of my head having to be up
during the push-up portion of the PT test. If I dug around in some old
footlockers I could probably find the FM.

Dave

latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> On Dec 31, 3:34 pm, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Harmony Church class of '83, B-9-2. i did'em head down, never a problem.
>
> That's '83. They probably made you press your BDUs, too.
>
> > https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldier...iew/public/950...
> >
> > you will note that the pic shows the head facing down. anyone who made you do
> > it any other way was probably related to the morons who told us running in
> > boots was good for you because it hurt.
>
> Yeah, we did those too -- at Benning and Carson! Not regularly, thank
> Goodness. And enough "physical fitness knowledge" seemed to have
> seeped in for them to have us work different bodyparts on different
> days (i.e., push-ups and pull-ups every other day).
>
> > redc1c4,
> > when all else fails, RTFM. %-)
>
> WTF are you talking about now? You just follow orders. Yeah, I'd
> like to see you wave an Army field manual in the platoon sergeant's
> face....

i'd like to see the PSG, 1SG, CSM that would order me to violate the FM/AR
in absence of an overriding local AR........ my life might be hell, for
a bit, but they wouldn't dare fuck with me, and after higher got done crawling
up their ass, life would be interesting...... for them.

i know, i've been there, more than once.

redc1c4,
Specialist of the Army, (Ret.%-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> On Dec 31, 7:57 pm, Colin Campbell <activated_...@gmail.com (remove
> underscore)> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Although head position is not required - common advice given to
> > soldiers who do not go down far enough is to keep their heads up. When
> > you are looking at the ground you think you are going down farther
> > than you really are.
>
> It was explained to us at Benning that looking down makes it easier --
> which, being much more ergonomic, it certainly was, but in a good way,
> as opposed to the flagrant bouncing (using of momentum) that's allowed
> (?!?!).
>
> They did not count any push-up at Benning that was performed with the
> head "down."

you forgot "...,when i was there."


redc1c4,
but you're just a Sand Hill newbie, so that's to be expected. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> On Dec 31, 1:41 pm, Colin Campbell <activated_...@gmail.com (remove
> underscore)> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If the grader is doing his/her job they are.
> >
> > One way to tell if the APFT is being properly administered is to check
> > to see of the scorers are crouched down so thy can observe that the
> > plane is broken and the elbows fully lock.
>
> You can't really tell because it's being knocked out so fast.
> Morevoer, nobody gets down like that to check. They're usually
> sitting on a chair or standing up with a clipboard. Besides, locking
> elbows is medically ill-advised (joints in general, on any exercise,
> especially when speed is involved) .

RTFM: that's a NOGO.
you have to be at or below the performers level to grade. that people don't is
a violation of reg. that it's wide spread doesn't make it right.

> > I established a 'certified APFT scorer' program at my unit - primarily
> > to ensure that my soldiers were prepared for the APFT they will get at
> > WLC, BNOC, ANOC etc.
>
> Do you know what it means to lock a joint? It's like when you're
> standing in formation for long periods, for whatever reason -- the
> advise is to *not* lock your knees.

long periods of time != just long enough to do another pushup. what your
unit evidently was doing was gaming the system to pump up their scores to
make sure they looked good in the BN stats. if so, they were breaking Army
regs for personal gain.

redc1c4,
my joints are more fucked up than yours, newbie. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide

On Jan 1, 1:28 am, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
>
>
> you forgot "...,when i was there."

No shit, PVT Sherlock.

> redc1c4,
> but you're just a Sand Hill newbie, so that's to be expected. %-)

Whereas you were at Harmony Church processing paperwork. Maybe they
made push-ups easier for you REMFs.

Another supply clerk with attitude. JFC.

> --
> "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
> considerable watching."
>
> Army Officer's Guide

Yep, another "lifer" who likes trotting out all his "good behavior"
ribbons and devices when at a loss for words.

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard: recruits in your time (early
'80s) were often just the dregs of society; the Army didn't get over
Vietnam-era problems until late '80s at the earliest....


On Jan 1, 1:16 am, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
>
>
> well, now we know why you barely did 3 and i survived 20 years......
>
> redc1c4,
> who burned more than a few PSG's. %-)
> --
> "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
> considerable watching."
>
> Army Officer's Guide

Frankly, I'd love to see that, too. The average PVT wouldn't have
thought to question something as simple as doing a push-up. "You must
be special."


On Jan 1, 1:27 am, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
>
>
> i'd like to see the PSG, 1SG, CSM that would order me to violate the FM/AR
> in absence of an overriding local AR........ my life might be hell, for
> a bit, but they wouldn't dare fuck with me, and after higher got done crawling
> up their ass, life would be interesting...... for them.
>
> i know, i've been there, more than once.
>
> redc1c4,
> Specialist of the Army, (Ret.%-)
> --
> "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
> considerable watching."
>
> Army Officer's Guide

On Jan 1, 1:38 am, redc1c4 <redc...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
>
>
> RTFM: that's a NOGO.
> you have to be at or below the performers level to grade. that people don't is
> a violation of reg. that it's wide spread doesn't make it right.

WTF is your problem, exactly? I'm just saying that's how it was done,
I'm not saying it's right or wrong. If you want an argument, trying
writing your Congresswoman about ice cream on Sundays.

> long periods of time != just long enough to do another pushup. what your
> unit evidently was doing was gaming the system to pump up their scores to
> make sure they looked good in the BN stats. if so, they were breaking Army
> regs for personal gain.

I'm not sure how it's gaming the system for personal gain. I never
got the sense the scores mattered much. It's not like anyone ever
failed. It was just something to be done, like putting Kiwi on the
toes and heels.

> redc1c4,
> my joints are more fucked up than yours, newbie. %-)

Yeah, but I got the bad back. Took that as another sign I just wasn't
born to be a lean mean fightin' machine.

> --
> "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
> considerable watching."
>
> Army Officer's Guide

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:51:42 -0800 (PST), latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:

> Maybe they made push-ups easier for you REMFs.

Funny how one moment you're a REMF because you are a Signal soldier and the
next moment you're the man because you: provide Internet access, provide
voicelines for calls back home, hung out on some hill in the middle of
nowhere for a month so folks could have reliable communications wherever
they went in sector, blazed paths where no paths existed in a soft-skinned
humvee hoping the folks in the Mine Action Center were right when they told
you the mountain you were driving to the top of really was clear so you
could check to see if you could get some radio shots out of in case someone
on the other side of the border decided to start something, etc.

He who uses the REMF name only shows their lack of knowledge of how the
entire Army works together to get the job done. You chose the job you
performed, not us. Deal with it.

> Another supply clerk with attitude. JFC.

Another clueless lower enlisted who best served their country by choosing
to ETS.

We thank you!

Dave

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:09:52 -0800 (PST), latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com wrote:

>> RTFM: that's a NOGO.
>> you have to be at or below the performers level to grade. that people
>> don't is a violation of reg. that it's wide spread doesn't make it
>> right.
>
> WTF is your problem, exactly? I'm just saying that's how it was done,
> I'm not saying it's right or wrong. If you want an argument, trying
> writing your Congresswoman about ice cream on Sundays.

My dad said back in the 1960's they'd have to do their pushups in the snow,
uphill, both ways.

Dave

On Jan 1, 3:28 am, David Casey <sgtca...@REMOVEMETOWORKcomcast.net>
wrote:
>
>
> Funny how one moment you're a REMF because you are a Signal soldier and the
> next moment you're the man because you: provide Internet access, provide
> voicelines for calls back home, hung out on some hill in the middle of
> nowhere for a month so folks could have reliable communications wherever
> they went in sector, blazed paths where no paths existed in a soft-skinned
> humvee hoping the folks in the Mine Action Center were right when they told
> you the mountain you were driving to the top of really was clear so you
> could check to see if you could get some radio shots out of in case someone
> on the other side of the border decided to start something, etc.

Whoa, you all right? Take it easy, hero, just let go of that
keyboard...that's it, step about from the caps lock slowly....

> He who uses the REMF name only shows their lack of knowledge of how the
> entire Army works together to get the job done. You chose the job you
> performed, not us. Deal with it.

Oh quit your self-pitying whine already: we infantrymen get the same
'tude. Get a band-aid or find a violin....

> Another clueless lower enlisted who best served their country by choosing
> to ETS.

ROFLMAO!!! "Clueless lower enlisted"...that's real funny, coming from
a Bush supporter!

> We thank you!

Pleasure was all mine, sandbag!

> Dave

Look, you're a waterboy, okay. Sure, you might have been senior
waterboy, and it's true that someone needs to carry water and towels
and messages back and forth, but you're just a waterboy, okay, so just
sit right there next to the mascot and cheerleaders and don't bother
me again.