Suggested exercises to reduce waistline?

I'm 53, male, 5'10, 180 lbs. I'd like to be 10 lbs lighter to move my
BMI into the normal zone and look and feel better. I carry my extra
weight around my middle.

Currently, I work out at a gym once a week and bicycle other days,
about 3 times a week for 35 minutes each.

I eat pretty healthy, concentrate on whole grains, fruits, vegetables,
poultry. Try to control sugars and starches.

I can maintain my weight like this, but can't seem to lose much, so
something needs to change.

I've thought about running, but I have arch/foot problems that I think
would be aggravated.

Would like to know:

- what type of gym program would be best?
- what can I do at home on non-gym days (I have very small living
quarters)?

Thanks,
Brooks

Dnia 2007-01-21 brooksr napisa³(a):
> I'm 53, male, 5'10, 180 lbs. I'd like to be 10 lbs lighter to move my
> BMI into the normal zone and look and feel better. I carry my extra
> weight around my middle.
>
> Currently, I work out at a gym once a week and bicycle other days,
> about 3 times a week for 35 minutes each.
>
> I eat pretty healthy, concentrate on whole grains, fruits, vegetables,
> poultry. Try to control sugars and starches.
>
> I can maintain my weight like this, but can't seem to lose much, so
> something needs to change.
>
> I've thought about running, but I have arch/foot problems that I think
> would be aggravated.
>
> Would like to know:
>
> - what type of gym program would be best?

Try barbell complexes. http://staff.jccc.net/ijavorek/bookdb.html

> - what can I do at home on non-gym days (I have very small living
> quarters)?

Try this:
http://www.ironsports.tv/in_shape.htm

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On 21 Jan 2007 04:39:00 -0800, "brooksr" <brooks@rimesrv.net> wrote:

>I'm 53, male, 5'10, 180 lbs. I'd like to be 10 lbs lighter to move my
>BMI into the normal zone and look and feel better. I carry my extra
>weight around my middle.
>
>Currently, I work out at a gym once a week and bicycle other days,
>about 3 times a week for 35 minutes each.
>
>I eat pretty healthy, concentrate on whole grains, fruits, vegetables,
>poultry. Try to control sugars and starches.
>
>I can maintain my weight like this, but can't seem to lose much, so
>something needs to change.
>
>I've thought about running, but I have arch/foot problems that I think
>would be aggravated.
>
>Would like to know:
>
>- what type of gym program would be best?
>- what can I do at home on non-gym days (I have very small living
>quarters)?
>
>Thanks,
>Brooks

Try the elliptical machines instead of the bike. There is no impact
because your feet never leave the pedals. I think both treadmill and
elliptical are going to give you a better workout then the bike.

brooksr wrote:

> I'm 53, male, 5'10, 180 lbs. I'd like to be 10 lbs lighter to move my
> BMI into the normal zone and look and feel better. I carry my extra
> weight around my middle.

Fwiw, the most visible of your extra weight appears around your middle,
perhaps, but you and everyone else on the planet carries extra weight
all over and not just in one area. With that in mind, brooksr, whatever
you do will reduce your extra weight from all over your body and not
just from your gut.

I've read, too, that the last place you'll notice a decrease in your
extra fat will be from your belly or middle. That makes sense, right?
If you have an inch of snow on your windshield then you can erase it by
turning on the wipers, but that five feet of snow in your driveway will
look not look greatly reduced even if you shovel two feet off the top
of its surface.

Maybe that's not the best analogy, but the important thing to remember
- and you may already be aware of this - is that you're reducing fat
from all over your body and not just your waistline.

> Currently, I work out at a gym once a week and bicycle other days,
> about 3 times a week for 35 minutes each.

Can you work out at the gym twice or even three times a week? More
muscle equals a body that will serve as a more efficient fat-burning
machine.

> I eat pretty healthy, concentrate on whole grains, fruits, vegetables,
> poultry. Try to control sugars and starches.
>
> I can maintain my weight like this,

That's the body's natural inclination for status quo. Each body likes
to maintain its present weight or existing condition.

> but can't seem to lose much, so something needs to change.

I agree. One thing you can change is the number of calories you're
taking in each day. This is a simple task, too. Drink Diet Pepsi
instead of Pepsi. Change to fat free Philly cream cheese. The grocery
has low-calorie everything - peanut butter, bread, yogurt, the works.

> I've thought about running, but I have arch/foot problems that I think
> would be aggravated.

Well, then, while Andrzej's two links are wonderful resources, you
might want to avoid those switching-legs-in-flight split squats. ;o)

> Would like to know:
>
> - what type of gym program would be best?

A full body workout completed two or three times each week. Compound
movements. Giant sets wouldn't be necessary, but I imagine it'd get
your heart going more than straight sets.

> - what can I do at home on non-gym days (I have very small living
> quarters)?

What can you do at home? Prepare meals. Seriously, reduce your
calories, but then also eat more meals per day. The idea behind
multiple meals is summed up quite well in the following paragraph:

Eating or drinking something approximately every three hours keeps you
topped off with nutrients. It also keeps your stomach small and tight;
limits fat deposition; promotes "cleaner" eating; enables you to eat
more fiber, fruits and veggies, as well as protein; and even promotes
greater water consumption. /copy and paste from
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...19/ai_82476429

Hey, I don't know if any of that is true, but it certainly seems to
make sense to me. Also I recently lost about 20 pounds and several
inches from my waistline courtesy of simply reducing my calorie intake
and completing a full body workout three days a week with only one set
of each exercise for maximum reps.

> Thanks,
> Brooks

Best of luck. Please post a follow up.

--
Curt

On Jan 21, 4:39 am, "brooksr" <bro...@rimesrv.net> wrote:
> Currently, I work out at a gym once a week and bicycle other days,
> about 3 times a week for 35 minutes each.

Thats not enough exercise to create a consistant caloric deficit. So
you need to either increase the exercise or eat less than you are
currently maintaining on. Thats only four days a week limited
exercise. What do you do the other days? How active are you beyond the
desk job or couch?

> I eat pretty healthy, concentrate on whole grains, fruits, vegetables,
> poultry. Try to control sugars and starches.

Try to and pretty much doesnt usually work for most people. Try writing
down what you eat to make yourself more aware of what you are eating
each day. Plan your meals better and dont wing it because thats usually
when poor choices are made. Some people need to go beyond just keeping
track of and include calorie counting. When you start to log calories
and then see what nutrients are and arent in foods you commonly eat, it
can be an eye opener. You get more into the health aspects of foods and
not just the calories. You thought you were eating 'pretty' good it
turns out you really arent. Try FitDay at http://www.fitday.com its
free and gives you a nice little daily graph of what you are eating
after you log a days worth of foods. Remember to lose 1lb scale weight
you need to eat 3500 calories less and or work it off with exercise.

> I can maintain my weight like this, but can't seem to lose much, so
> something needs to change.

Either more exercise or less food (and better food choices overall) and
or a combo of both should do it. Ten pounds isnt much. If you ate about
500 calories less a day, or exercised that much more, you could easily
lose it in less than two months.
The scale isnt really a reliable source for tracking weight. Increasing
your exercise you could be gaining some muscle, losing inches overall,
and not see the pounds drop on the scale. Realize that you cant spot
reduce and that the bellyfat might be the very last to go. Ten pounds
and more are easily gained back too, so some permanent adjustment might
be needed to keep it off.

> I've thought about running, but I have arch/foot problems that I think
> would be aggravated.
> - what can I do at home on non-gym days (I have very small living
> quarters)?

How about getting outside to walk? IMHO running is overated, you just
get to your destination faster and shin splints arent fun.
Pick a walking course that may include hills and or steps in it to make
it more challenging. Walk at least 30 - 60 minutes everyday. Everyday
not mater what - make it a liffestyle change, not just something to
lose this 10lbs. Invest in a good pair of shoes made specifically for
walking. It helps.


joanne

"brooksr" <brooks@rimesrv.net> schreef:

> I'm 53, male, 5'10, 180 lbs. I'd like to be 10 lbs lighter to move my
> BMI into the normal zone and look and feel better.

There is NO normal zone. Trust me!

> I carry my extra
> weight around my middle.

Okay.

> Currently, I work out at a gym once a week and bicycle other days,
> about 3 times a week for 35 minutes each.
> Would like to know:

> - what type of gym program would be best?

The one you enjoy.

If you hate something you will stop doing it.

> - what can I do at home on non-gym days (I have very small living
> quarters)?

Lots and lots and lots of sit-ups. Leg raises. Any other exercise that you
can do lots of repetitions of. No matter what muscles are used. Deep knee
bends. Maybe push-ups. Anything.

--
Pete, The New & Improved Version

"Take your own advice: killfile. I took your advice on that subject BTW.
Your turn dude" -- Will Brink

"Problem is, I still see his/their posts 'cause
you respond to them, and that throws the balance of the universe of" -- Will
Brink

"brooksr" <brooks@rimesrv.net> wrote in message
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> I'm 53, male, 5'10, 180 lbs. I'd like to be 10 lbs lighter to move my
> BMI into the normal zone and look and feel better. I carry my extra
> weight around my middle.
>
> Currently, I work out at a gym once a week and bicycle other days,
> about 3 times a week for 35 minutes each.
>
> I eat pretty healthy, concentrate on whole grains, fruits, vegetables,
> poultry. Try to control sugars and starches.
>
> I can maintain my weight like this, but can't seem to lose much, so
> something needs to change.
>
> I've thought about running, but I have arch/foot problems that I think
> would be aggravated.
>
> Would like to know:
>
> - what type of gym program would be best?
> - what can I do at home on non-gym days (I have very small living
> quarters)?
>
> Thanks,
> Brooks

My guess is that diet is much more important to solving your problem
than the specifics of your exercise program. Do some reading about
various types of diets and give one of them a try. My favorite is this
one

http://www.warriordiet.com

which I have been following for the last 4-5 years.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
> "brooksr" <brooks@rimesrv.net> wrote
>> I'm 53, male, 5'10, 180 lbs. I'd like to be 10 lbs lighter to move my
>> BMI into the normal zone and look and feel better. I carry my extra
>> weight around my middle.
>>
>> Currently, I work out at a gym once a week and bicycle other days,
>> about 3 times a week for 35 minutes each.
>>
>> I eat pretty healthy, concentrate on whole grains, fruits, vegetables,
>> poultry. Try to control sugars and starches.
>>
>> I can maintain my weight like this, but can't seem to lose much, so
>> something needs to change.
>>
>> I've thought about running, but I have arch/foot problems that I think
>> would be aggravated.
>>
>> Would like to know:
>>
>> - what type of gym program would be best?
>> - what can I do at home on non-gym days (I have very small living
>> quarters)?
>>
> My guess is that diet is much more important to solving your problem than
> the specifics of your exercise program.

Your guess? Come on, Steve, you're not usually so...uh, whatever word would
be appropriate here. It's not rocket surgery.

Lose weight: diet.
Build muscle: exercise.

The other 1% is mere detail.

David

David Cohen wrote:

> Lose weight: diet.
> Build muscle: exercise.
>
> The other 1% is mere detail.

How are you doing with diet these days, anyway?

I'm thinking of taking a stab at the remaining ten pounds of dumpy ass
that I keep wanting to take off. It's not going to be fun. How about you?

Dally

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
>> "brooksr" <brooks@rimesrv.net> wrote
>>> I'm 53, male, 5'10, 180 lbs. I'd like to be 10 lbs lighter to move
>>> my
>>> BMI into the normal zone and look and feel better. I carry my extra
>>> weight around my middle.
>>>
>>> Currently, I work out at a gym once a week and bicycle other days,
>>> about 3 times a week for 35 minutes each.
>>>
>>> I eat pretty healthy, concentrate on whole grains, fruits,
>>> vegetables,
>>> poultry. Try to control sugars and starches.
>>>
>>> I can maintain my weight like this, but can't seem to lose much, so
>>> something needs to change.
>>>
>>> I've thought about running, but I have arch/foot problems that I
>>> think
>>> would be aggravated.
>>>
>>> Would like to know:
>>>
>>> - what type of gym program would be best?
>>> - what can I do at home on non-gym days (I have very small living
>>> quarters)?
>>>
>> My guess is that diet is much more important to solving your problem
>> than the specifics of your exercise program.
>
> Your guess? Come on, Steve, you're not usually so...uh, whatever word
> would be appropriate here. It's not rocket surgery.

I must be getting mellow in my old age.

Rocket surgery - I like that. Brain science?

> Lose weight: diet.
> Build muscle: exercise.

Yup. Let's qualify exercise to "resistance training" if you will.

> The other 1% is mere detail.

Yup. Combine diet and exercise and you can accomplish some pretty good
stuff.

> David

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


>
>

Dnia 2007-01-22 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
>> My guess is that diet is much more important to solving your problem than
>> the specifics of your exercise program.
>
> Your guess? Come on, Steve, you're not usually so...uh, whatever word would
> be appropriate here. It's not rocket surgery.
>
> Lose weight: diet.
> Build muscle: exercise.

That is pretty American approach. There is nothing wrong with it, but
it's not the only one. Mariusz says to "Never diet. Only more
workout." and he may be right too. Besides, a grown up men on 1500 ccal
sounds pretty pathetic to me.

> The other 1% is mere detail.

However I like to stay free from injuries, if it can be done.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

"Dally" <Dally@whoever.com> wrote in message
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> David Cohen wrote:
>
>> Lose weight: diet.
>> Build muscle: exercise.
>>
>> The other 1% is mere detail.
>
> How are you doing with diet these days, anyway?
>
> I'm thinking of taking a stab at the remaining ten pounds of dumpy ass
> that I keep wanting to take off. It's not going to be fun. How about
> you?

Not that you asked but my wife is on a similar quest now. Just shy of
49 years old, 5' 3", about 125, wants to lose 5 lbs. or so. She already
works out regularly so she's approaching it primarily through diet.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

> Dally

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2007-01-22 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>>
>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
>>> My guess is that diet is much more important to solving your problem than
>>> the specifics of your exercise program.
>>
>> Your guess? Come on, Steve, you're not usually so...uh, whatever word would
>> be appropriate here. It's not rocket surgery.
>>
>> Lose weight: diet.
>> Build muscle: exercise.
>
>That is pretty American approach. There is nothing wrong with it, but
>it's not the only one. Mariusz says to "Never diet. Only more
>workout." and he may be right too. Besides, a grown up men on 1500 ccal
>sounds pretty pathetic to me.

No, Andrzej, that is not the "American approach." It is the approach
of someone who wants "to reduce [his] waistline." (See subject
header)

"Dally" <Dally@whoever.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>
>> Lose weight: diet.
>> Build muscle: exercise.
>>
>> The other 1% is mere detail.
>
> How are you doing with diet these days, anyway?
>
> I'm thinking of taking a stab at the remaining ten pounds of dumpy ass
> that I keep wanting to take off. It's not going to be fun. How about
> you?

My dieting is like global warming.

"Huh?", you ask?

The Earth started out very hot, then went through a global cooling, followed
by a global warming, followed by a global cooling, followed by a global
warming, followed by a global cooling, followed by a global warming,
followed by a global cooling, followed by a global warming, followed by a
global cooling, followed by...for billions of years (all without the help of
humans, thank you, Algore, you fucking moron).

Since discovering the effectiveness of protein sparing modified fasts (for
me), my weight goes up, then down, then up, then down, then up, now, since
January 2, down.

David
Analogies 'R Us

David Cohen wrote:
> "Dally" <Dally@whoever.com> wrote
>
>>David Cohen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Lose weight: diet.
>>>Build muscle: exercise.
>>>
>>>The other 1% is mere detail.
>>
>>How are you doing with diet these days, anyway?
>>
>>I'm thinking of taking a stab at the remaining ten pounds of dumpy ass
>>that I keep wanting to take off. It's not going to be fun. How about
>>you?
>
>
> My dieting is like global warming.
>
> "Huh?", you ask?
>
> The Earth started out very hot, then went through a global cooling, followed
> by a global warming, followed by a global cooling, followed by a global
> warming, followed by a global cooling, followed by a global warming,
> followed by a global cooling, followed by a global warming, followed by a
> global cooling, followed by...for billions of years (all without the help of
> humans, thank you, Algore, you fucking moron).
>
> Since discovering the effectiveness of protein sparing modified fasts (for
> me), my weight goes up, then down, then up, then down, then up, now, since
> January 2, down.
>
> David
> Analogies 'R Us

I am VERY impressed that you managed to not only make that question
political, but to take a butt-headed oppositional view. You are truly
an impressive man.

It's been a while for me since I tried cutting. Perhaps not since last
tax season. I can't get ephedrine shipped to me from Canada anymore and
all I ever find are the stupid expensive 12 mg with guifanisen. It
pisses me off that I can't get it anymore. If you have a source, let me
know, 'kay? But not at this email address: this particular one is bad.

At the moment I'm still oozing a disgusting yellowish orange serum from
a surgical incision. I sort of feel like I ought not to workout too
hard until that wound heals. So diet is all that's standing between me
and piles of lard waiting to fall on my body like a sheet. (I might be
overscared about this.)

Dally

Steve Freides wrote:

> Not that you asked but my wife is on a similar quest now. Just shy of
> 49 years old, 5' 3", about 125, wants to lose 5 lbs. or so. She already
> works out regularly so she's approaching it primarily through diet.

Someone told me that the whole reproductive process takes about 300
calories a day to keep going. Uterine lining, ovulation, menstruation,
that whole thing. When you hit menopause your body stops doing all this
and your need for calories drops, just when your fat storing system changes.

In other words, it's TIME for her to diet. Or she'll get a beer belly
that comes seemingly out of no where.

Right now I'm still fighting the butt and thigh thing that doesn't do me
any harm except for athletically. (I'd dearly love to carry less dead
weight up hills on my bike!) But soon the moment is coming when I'll
need to be on the lookout for visceral fat. And THAT'S a killer.

Dally

Dnia 2007-01-22 JMW napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Dnia 2007-01-22 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>>>
>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
>>>> My guess is that diet is much more important to solving your problem than
>>>> the specifics of your exercise program.
>>>
>>> Your guess? Come on, Steve, you're not usually so...uh, whatever word would
>>> be appropriate here. It's not rocket surgery.
>>>
>>> Lose weight: diet.
>>> Build muscle: exercise.
>>
>>That is pretty American approach. There is nothing wrong with it, but
>>it's not the only one. Mariusz says to "Never diet. Only more
>>workout." and he may be right too. Besides, a grown up men on 1500 ccal
>>sounds pretty pathetic to me.
>
> No, Andrzej, that is not the "American approach." It is the approach
> of someone who wants "to reduce [his] waistline." (See subject
> header)

Fine. I didn't and do not say that this approach will not work. I
said that it is "pretty American" and I truly believe that it is.
There are some assumptions somewhere there, which strike me as
"American". For once, there is this assumption that one can't
out-exercise a bad diet, and it may be true if we are dealing with a
really bad diet, like lots of coke and snacks. Smells American to me.
Also, why one wouldn't be able to out-exercise that? I did it when I
used a bicycle as my main transportation (I had to eat all that junk
just to fuel myself) but in USA everybody owns a car (something I never
had) and everybody must use it, because everybody owns it, so all the
life is car centered, so to speak. In Europe it is different. You use
public transportation, because it's cheaper and often faster, so you
walk, cycle, carry your goods in your hands, and all that burns an
occasional cookie just fine. Another "American" reason why one
wouldn't be able to out-exercise a bad diet is so called overtraining.
So called, just to distinguish it from real overtraining, which
actually brings some serious side effects. So called overtraining
happens when you try to beat your previous performance on every
training session and you "burn out" more mentally than physically.
This obsession with constant success also seems American to me. Your
strength athletes are ones of the few who often do not train daily.
They would overtrain, you know?

So even if I obviously agree with the effectivness of this approach, I
do think that it has a taste of diet coke with a cheeseburger to it
(a thing I never tasted in my life yet ;-)).

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dnia 2007-01-22 JMW napisa³(a):
>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Dnia 2007-01-22 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
>>>>> My guess is that diet is much more important to solving your problem than
>>>>> the specifics of your exercise program.
>>>>
>>>> Your guess? Come on, Steve, you're not usually so...uh, whatever word would
>>>> be appropriate here. It's not rocket surgery.
>>>>
>>>> Lose weight: diet.
>>>> Build muscle: exercise.
>>>
>>>That is pretty American approach. There is nothing wrong with it, but
>>>it's not the only one. Mariusz says to "Never diet. Only more
>>>workout." and he may be right too. Besides, a grown up men on 1500 ccal
>>>sounds pretty pathetic to me.
>>
>> No, Andrzej, that is not the "American approach." It is the approach
>> of someone who wants "to reduce [his] waistline." (See subject
>> header)
>
>Fine. I didn't and do not say that this approach will not work. I
>said that it is "pretty American" and I truly believe that it is.
>There are some assumptions somewhere there, which strike me as
>"American". For once, there is this assumption that one can't
>out-exercise a bad diet, and it may be true if we are dealing with a
>really bad diet, like lots of coke and snacks. Smells American to me.
>Also, why one wouldn't be able to out-exercise that? I did it when I
>used a bicycle as my main transportation (I had to eat all that junk
>just to fuel myself) but in USA everybody owns a car (something I never
>had) and everybody must use it, because everybody owns it, so all the
>life is car centered, so to speak. In Europe it is different. You use
>public transportation, because it's cheaper and often faster, so you
>walk, cycle, carry your goods in your hands, and all that burns an
>occasional cookie just fine. Another "American" reason why one
>wouldn't be able to out-exercise a bad diet is so called overtraining.
>So called, just to distinguish it from real overtraining, which
>actually brings some serious side effects. So called overtraining
>happens when you try to beat your previous performance on every
>training session and you "burn out" more mentally than physically.
>This obsession with constant success also seems American to me. Your
>strength athletes are ones of the few who often do not train daily.
>They would overtrain, you know?
>
>So even if I obviously agree with the effectivness of this approach, I
>do think that it has a taste of diet coke with a cheeseburger to it
>(a thing I never tasted in my life yet ;-)).

So tell us, Andrzej, how much have your lifts improved? Give us some
numbers. No, I'm not looking for you to give us world-class lifts.
I'm not even looking for you to say that you lift as much as I do. I
just want to hear about the fabulous improvement in your ability to
move iron.

You see, Andrzej, you're tied up in all this strongman mystique
(naturally, with an Eastern European flair, although you also tout
Louie Simmons) wherein you just eat like a pig and lift a lot. So I
want to hear about your massive strength gains. Because if you're not
making massive strength gains, you're just another fatass looking for
body magic from the iron without controlling what he eats.

Don't go touting what Mariusz says until you start moving metal the
way he does.

"Dally" <Dally@whoever.com> wrote in message
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> David Cohen wrote:
>> "Dally" <Dally@whoever.com> wrote
>>
>>>David Cohen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Lose weight: diet.
>>>>Build muscle: exercise.
>>>>
>>>>The other 1% is mere detail.
>>>
>>>How are you doing with diet these days, anyway?
>>>
>>>I'm thinking of taking a stab at the remaining ten pounds of dumpy ass
>>>that I keep wanting to take off. It's not going to be fun. How about
>>>you?
>>
>>
>> My dieting is like global warming.
>>
>> "Huh?", you ask?
>>
>> The Earth started out very hot, then went through a global cooling,
>> followed by a global warming, followed by a global cooling, followed by a
>> global warming, followed by a global cooling, followed by a global
>> warming, followed by a global cooling, followed by a global warming,
>> followed by a global cooling, followed by...for billions of years (all
>> without the help of humans, thank you, Algore, you fucking moron).
>>
>> Since discovering the effectiveness of protein sparing modified fasts
>> (for me), my weight goes up, then down, then up, then down, then up, now,
>> since January 2, down.
>>
>> David
>> Analogies 'R Us
>
> I am VERY impressed that you managed to not only make that question
> political, but to take a butt-headed oppositional view. You are truly an
> impressive man.
>
> It's been a while for me since I tried cutting. Perhaps not since last
> tax season. I can't get ephedrine shipped to me from Canada anymore and
> all I ever find are the stupid expensive 12 mg with guifanisen. It pisses
> me off that I can't get it anymore. If you have a source, let me know,
> 'kay? But not at this email address: this particular one is bad.

You are paying a price for your athleticism - must be difficult to maintain
a finely tuned body as yours!

>
> At the moment I'm still oozing a disgusting yellowish orange serum from a
> surgical incision. I sort of feel like I ought not to workout too hard
> until that wound heals. So diet is all that's standing between me and
> piles of lard waiting to fall on my body like a sheet. (I might be
> overscared about this.)


>
> Dally

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:50:10 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
>
>"Dally" <Dally@whoever.com> wrote in message
>news:51l21rF1ku3tpU1@mid.individual.net...
>> David Cohen wrote:
>>> "Dally" <Dally@whoever.com> wrote
>>>
[...]

>>
>> I am VERY impressed that you managed to not only make that question
>> political, but to take a butt-headed oppositional view. You are truly an
>> impressive man.
>>
>> It's been a while for me since I tried cutting. Perhaps not since last
>> tax season. I can't get ephedrine shipped to me from Canada anymore and
>> all I ever find are the stupid expensive 12 mg with guifanisen. It pisses
>> me off that I can't get it anymore. If you have a source, let me know,
>> 'kay? But not at this email address: this particular one is bad.
>
>You are paying a price for your athleticism - must be difficult to maintain
>a finely tuned body as yours!

Looks like she's back, which means endless opportunities for humour
are in the offing.

However, I think we could do without the "oozing puss" daily
bulletins, and the graphic descriptions of her menstrual flow and
meanderings into all things menopausal.

It just occurs to me that she could be leaving herself wide open for
more acute embarrassment, if like the last time she did it, her
husband, one of her children, her clients or her many close friends
were to Google her name, and discover what she is posting to a
worldwide public forum.

Perhaps we could compete with her by giving daily 'in-depth' reports
of our first dump of the day! ;o)

"Dally" <Dally@whoever.com> schreef:

> Someone told me that the whole reproductive process takes about 300
> calories a day to keep going. Uterine lining, ovulation, menstruation,
> that whole thing.

Now i am impotent again.

THANKS !!!

> When you hit menopause your body stops doing all this and your need for
> calories drops, just when your fat storing system changes.

Its getting worse.

> In other words, it's TIME for her to diet. Or she'll get a beer belly
> that comes seemingly out of no where.

And worse!

Where is my dick?

--
Pete

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> schreef:

> The Earth started out very hot, then went through a global cooling,
> followed by a global warming, followed by a global cooling, followed by a
> global warming, followed by a global cooling, followed by a global
> warming, followed by a global cooling, followed by a global warming,
> followed by a global cooling, followed by...for billions of years (all
> without the help of humans, thank you, Algore, you fucking moron).

The Dinosaurs didnt get extinct because they were driving cars?

IMO, you and your guns are partially responsible for the global warming.

--
Pete

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:

> In Europe it is different. You use
> public transportation, because it's cheaper and often faster, so you
> walk, cycle, carry your goods in your hands, and all that burns an
> occasional cookie just fine.

Andre, have you ever been over here?

Yes, bicycles and public transportation is probably more used as in the US,
but we have everything they have.

McDonalds is around ever since the mid-seventies.

Now we have Burger King, Kentucky, Pizza Hut, etc, etc.

You dont have that in Poland?

--
Pete

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:36:14 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Dally" <Dally@whoever.com> schreef:
>
>> Someone told me that the whole reproductive process takes about 300
>> calories a day to keep going. Uterine lining, ovulation, menstruation,
>> that whole thing.
>
>Now i am impotent again.
>
>THANKS !!!
>
>> When you hit menopause your body stops doing all this and your need for
>> calories drops, just when your fat storing system changes.
>
>Its getting worse.
>
>> In other words, it's TIME for her to diet. Or she'll get a beer belly
>> that comes seemingly out of no where.
>
>And worse!
>
>Where is my dick?

Isn't she great entertainment value?

And that's only scratching at the surface of her amazing personal
'revelations', of which she has limitless reserves, and always wants
to share them in great detail.

Dnia 2007-01-23 JMW napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>So even if I obviously agree with the effectivness of this approach, I
>>do think that it has a taste of diet coke with a cheeseburger to it
>>(a thing I never tasted in my life yet ;-)).
>
> So tell us, Andrzej, how much have your lifts improved?

I don't know how much my weights actually weight, so I won't give you
many numbers. Anyway, I started doing one-armed snatches in spring being
able to do about thirty kg. Later I improved it by adding above ten kg to
it. I pulled my groin in autumn, so I didn't use the same technique, but I
was able to muscle snatch close to that amount for series of 5 per side.
It's a reasonable improvement in my book. From time to time I did also
dumbbell presses, which improved quite a lot too. Before my flu I was
able to strict press full dumbbell for singles, which improved by two plates
from spring (from six plates to eight plates, but that's as far as it will
go). I easily doubled the amount of chins I'm able to do from autumn
when I started to do them regularly again. I was around 10 of very
strict sternum pullups before a flu. Blast strap dips seen similar
improvement. Considering that I was trying to bulk at this time, I'd call
it improvement too.

> Give us some
> numbers. No, I'm not looking for you to give us world-class lifts.
> I'm not even looking for you to say that you lift as much as I do. I
> just want to hear about the fabulous improvement in your ability to
> move iron.

C'mon. Did you expect that I'm doing what I do because it obviously
doesn't work?

> You see, Andrzej, you're tied up in all this strongman mystique
> (naturally, with an Eastern European flair, although you also tout
> Louie Simmons) wherein you just eat like a pig and lift a lot. So I
> want to hear about your massive strength gains. Because if you're not
> making massive strength gains, you're just another fatass looking for
> body magic from the iron without controlling what he eats.

I still weight about 85kg, just where I started weight wise. I didn't
have to lose 20 kg of lard as a start. I'm thinking about taking it up
to 90kg, but I'll see if I like weighting that much. Quite possibly
I'll pass on that goal.

> Don't go touting what Mariusz says until you start moving metal the
> way he does.

Because he is wrong if I can't do it?

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> schreef:

>>Where is my dick?

> Isn't she great entertainment value?

My libido is completely gone!

So was going into detail about... you know!

> And that's only scratching at the surface of her amazing personal
> 'revelations', of which she has limitless reserves, and always wants
> to share them in great detail.

Remind me to get a new prescription.

--
Pete

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:13:13 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> schreef:
>
>>>Where is my dick?
>
>> Isn't she great entertainment value?
>
>My libido is completely gone!
>
>So was going into detail about... you know!
>
>> And that's only scratching at the surface of her amazing personal
>> 'revelations', of which she has limitless reserves, and always wants
>> to share them in great detail.
>
>Remind me to get a new prescription.

If you are into *really* fat arses, this one comes particularly
well-endowed in that region! It is not necessarily a pretty sight, but
then YMMV.

joanne <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote:

> How about getting outside to walk? IMHO running is overated, you just
> get to your destination faster and shin splints arent fun.
> Pick a walking course that may include hills and or steps in it to make
> it more challenging. Walk at least 30 - 60 minutes everyday. Everyday
> not mater what - make it a liffestyle change, not just something to
> lose this 10lbs. Invest in a good pair of shoes made specifically for
> walking. It helps.

It's a pretty sad comment on the modern lifestyle that most people
don't have shoes specifically designed for walking.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> schreef:

>>> And that's only scratching at the surface of her amazing personal
>>> 'revelations', of which she has limitless reserves, and always wants
>>> to share them in great detail.

>>Remind me to get a new prescription.

> If you are into *really* fat arses, this one comes particularly
> well-endowed in that region! It is not necessarily a pretty sight, but
> then YMMV.

Does she look like this?

http://www.cherokeedass.com/updatesbedroom1.html

--
Pete

Dnia 2007-01-23 Pete napisa³(a):
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
>> In Europe it is different. You use
>> public transportation, because it's cheaper and often faster, so you
>> walk, cycle, carry your goods in your hands, and all that burns an
>> occasional cookie just fine.
>
> Andre, have you ever been over here?

No, not in Holland. I spent some years living in Berlin. They have
more bicycles than we have (mostly due to a fact, that they made it
their policy to encourage it). Berliners looked reasonably slim to me.

> Yes, bicycles and public transportation is probably more used as in the US,
> but we have everything they have.

Still, that was what I meant. As long as people walk and cycle more
than in US, they don't have to lose so much fat when they decide to get
in shape. In Berlin I used to live on fifth floor with no elevator. I
can't imagine how I could get obese and still be able to get to work,
bring my groceries and all that while living there. Anyway, still I
used to regularly lose some pounds when I went home and gain it back
when I went there. Most people I've seen went through a similar
process with the exception of one friend who cycled to work. On the
other hand, one who stopped cycling and bought a scooter did promptly
gain some 10 kg or more. I did gain some when I bought a bike too.

> McDonalds is around ever since the mid-seventies.
>
> Now we have Burger King, Kentucky, Pizza Hut, etc, etc.
>
> You dont have that in Poland?

Not where I live now. Simply too expensive for locals to eat on a
regular basis. In towns you have it and other fast food stuff too, of
course, but most people don't spend money on fast food on a regular
basis.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:00:55 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> schreef:
>
>>>> And that's only scratching at the surface of her amazing personal
>>>> 'revelations', of which she has limitless reserves, and always wants
>>>> to share them in great detail.
>
>>>Remind me to get a new prescription.
>
>> If you are into *really* fat arses, this one comes particularly
>> well-endowed in that region! It is not necessarily a pretty sight, but
>> then YMMV.
>
>Does she look like this?
>
>http://www.cherokeedass.com/updatesbedroom1.html

The only possible similarity is that she is of the female gender!

Thanks for the post, joanne.

I signed up for FitDay.

Brooks