Tactical Strength Challenge - Meet Report

I attended my first Tactical Strength Challenge yesterday. For those
not familiar with the format, it's three events:

1. Deadlift - 3 attempts for a one-rep max.

2. Pullups - bodyweight, max reps, single attempt, body must touch the
bar on chest, throat, or underside of chin or the rep doesn't count.

3. Kettlebell snatches - max reps in 5 minutes with a 24 kg bell, you
can put the bell down, walk away, get a drink of water, whatever you
like for your 5 minutes

There is also an optional Elite division - same DL, pullups are weighted
with 10 kg, kettlebell snatches are done with 32 kg instead. No one at
the location I was at did the Elite division.

My results: Weighed in at 151, had a cold, and was overall pleased.

DL: 315, 335, 355 - all went up pretty easily. My lifetime PR is 364
and I might even have had a new PR in me but I was content.

Pullups: 20 reps even. Again, I wasn't feeling great, the last rep was
an effort, and I probably had another rep or two in me.

Snatch - went poorly - asthma, my cold, and the two previous events and
I had to put the bell down after only 20+20 reps - I've done 90 reps at
pace and non-stop in training before and was hoping for 100 today.

The other attendees did great. One 164 lb. guy did a 500 lb. sumo DL,
another guy got 25 pullups, and many had over 100 kb snatches in their
allotted time. The one woman participant managed 8 pullups. As you'd
expect, there were a few big guys with good DL's who weren't much good
at pullups, but I was impressed by several big guys who, in addition to
their big DL's, also managed 10 or more pullups and 100+ kb snatches.

The full results of the meet, held at about 15-16 different site across
the US and Canada, will be posted here in a few days:
http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge.com

Some results are already posted on the DragonDoor forum, see
http://forum.dragondoor.com?kbid=1022

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> schreef:

> DL: 315, 335, 355 - all went up pretty easily. My lifetime PR is 364 and
> I might even have had a new PR in me but I was content.

Stevie is stronger than i ever was.

Heaviest DL i ever did was 160 kilo, for 6 reps. I wanted to bring out my
traps and lower back a bit.

--
Pete

In article <5501d2F22qccqU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> I attended my first Tactical Strength Challenge yesterday. For those
> not familiar with the format, it's three events:
>
> 1. Deadlift - 3 attempts for a one-rep max.
>
> 2. Pullups - bodyweight, max reps, single attempt, body must touch the
> bar on chest, throat, or underside of chin or the rep doesn't count.
>
> 3. Kettlebell snatches - max reps in 5 minutes with a 24 kg bell, you
> can put the bell down, walk away, get a drink of water, whatever you
> like for your 5 minutes
>
> There is also an optional Elite division - same DL, pullups are weighted
> with 10 kg, kettlebell snatches are done with 32 kg instead. No one at
> the location I was at did the Elite division.
>
> My results: Weighed in at 151, had a cold, and was overall pleased.
>
> DL: 315, 335, 355 - all went up pretty easily. My lifetime PR is 364
> and I might even have had a new PR in me but I was content.
>
> Pullups: 20 reps even. Again, I wasn't feeling great, the last rep was
> an effort, and I probably had another rep or two in me.
>
> Snatch - went poorly - asthma, my cold, and the two previous events and
> I had to put the bell down after only 20+20 reps - I've done 90 reps at
> pace and non-stop in training before and was hoping for 100 today.
>
> The other attendees did great. One 164 lb. guy did a 500 lb. sumo DL,
> another guy got 25 pullups, and many had over 100 kb snatches in their
> allotted time. The one woman participant managed 8 pullups. As you'd
> expect, there were a few big guys with good DL's who weren't much good
> at pullups, but I was impressed by several big guys who, in addition to
> their big DL's, also managed 10 or more pullups and 100+ kb snatches.
>
> The full results of the meet, held at about 15-16 different site across
> the US and Canada, will be posted here in a few days:
> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge.com
>
> Some results are already posted on the DragonDoor forum, see
> http://forum.dragondoor.com?kbid=1022
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>

Interesting meet. Nice lifting, Steve, considering all...

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:khobman800-BA1059.11392504032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <5501d2F22qccqU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> I attended my first Tactical Strength Challenge yesterday. For those
>> not familiar with the format, it's three events:
>>
>> 1. Deadlift - 3 attempts for a one-rep max.
>>
>> 2. Pullups - bodyweight, max reps, single attempt, body must touch
>> the
>> bar on chest, throat, or underside of chin or the rep doesn't count.
>>
>> 3. Kettlebell snatches - max reps in 5 minutes with a 24 kg bell,
>> you
>> can put the bell down, walk away, get a drink of water, whatever you
>> like for your 5 minutes
>>
>> There is also an optional Elite division - same DL, pullups are
>> weighted
>> with 10 kg, kettlebell snatches are done with 32 kg instead. No one
>> at
>> the location I was at did the Elite division.
>>
>> My results: Weighed in at 151, had a cold, and was overall pleased.
>>
>> DL: 315, 335, 355 - all went up pretty easily. My lifetime PR is 364
>> and I might even have had a new PR in me but I was content.
>>
>> Pullups: 20 reps even. Again, I wasn't feeling great, the last rep
>> was
>> an effort, and I probably had another rep or two in me.
>>
>> Snatch - went poorly - asthma, my cold, and the two previous events
>> and
>> I had to put the bell down after only 20+20 reps - I've done 90 reps
>> at
>> pace and non-stop in training before and was hoping for 100 today.
>>
>> The other attendees did great. One 164 lb. guy did a 500 lb. sumo
>> DL,
>> another guy got 25 pullups, and many had over 100 kb snatches in
>> their
>> allotted time. The one woman participant managed 8 pullups. As
>> you'd
>> expect, there were a few big guys with good DL's who weren't much
>> good
>> at pullups, but I was impressed by several big guys who, in addition
>> to
>> their big DL's, also managed 10 or more pullups and 100+ kb snatches.
>>
>> The full results of the meet, held at about 15-16 different site
>> across
>> the US and Canada, will be posted here in a few days:
>> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge.com
>>
>> Some results are already posted on the DragonDoor forum, see
>> http://forum.dragondoor.com?kbid=1022
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>>
>
> Interesting meet. Nice lifting, Steve, considering all...

Thanks, Keith. My DL hasn't moved in a year or more but 9 lbs. shy of
my all-time 1RM felt surprisingly easy yesterday and I think my DL is
getting ready to move up again - sometimes you just have to be patient.
I hope this TSC "sport" catches on - it's caught the attention of some
in the CrossFit crowd and I think it's a good thing, a pretty decent
test of all-around fitness. There are always suggestions about adding
another event, varying the events, etc., but we're trying to stick with
this format. One guy, at 183 lbs. and 6'2" or so, did a 450 DL, 25
pullups, and 140 kb snatches in 5:00 - pretty impressive. It would be
pretty interesting to see you at one of these - you'd do very well.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

>
> --
> Keith

In article <550fhqF22pjkoU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:khobman800-BA1059.11392504032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > In article <5501d2F22qccqU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I attended my first Tactical Strength Challenge yesterday. For those
> >> not familiar with the format, it's three events:
> >>
> >> 1. Deadlift - 3 attempts for a one-rep max.
> >>
> >> 2. Pullups - bodyweight, max reps, single attempt, body must touch
> >> the
> >> bar on chest, throat, or underside of chin or the rep doesn't count.
> >>
> >> 3. Kettlebell snatches - max reps in 5 minutes with a 24 kg bell,
> >> you
> >> can put the bell down, walk away, get a drink of water, whatever you
> >> like for your 5 minutes
> >>
> >> There is also an optional Elite division - same DL, pullups are
> >> weighted
> >> with 10 kg, kettlebell snatches are done with 32 kg instead. No one
> >> at
> >> the location I was at did the Elite division.
> >>
> >> My results: Weighed in at 151, had a cold, and was overall pleased.
> >>
> >> DL: 315, 335, 355 - all went up pretty easily. My lifetime PR is 364
> >> and I might even have had a new PR in me but I was content.
> >>
> >> Pullups: 20 reps even. Again, I wasn't feeling great, the last rep
> >> was
> >> an effort, and I probably had another rep or two in me.
> >>
> >> Snatch - went poorly - asthma, my cold, and the two previous events
> >> and
> >> I had to put the bell down after only 20+20 reps - I've done 90 reps
> >> at
> >> pace and non-stop in training before and was hoping for 100 today.
> >>
> >> The other attendees did great. One 164 lb. guy did a 500 lb. sumo
> >> DL,
> >> another guy got 25 pullups, and many had over 100 kb snatches in
> >> their
> >> allotted time. The one woman participant managed 8 pullups. As
> >> you'd
> >> expect, there were a few big guys with good DL's who weren't much
> >> good
> >> at pullups, but I was impressed by several big guys who, in addition
> >> to
> >> their big DL's, also managed 10 or more pullups and 100+ kb snatches.
> >>
> >> The full results of the meet, held at about 15-16 different site
> >> across
> >> the US and Canada, will be posted here in a few days:
> >> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge.com
> >>
> >> Some results are already posted on the DragonDoor forum, see
> >> http://forum.dragondoor.com?kbid=1022
> >>
> >> -S-
> >> http://www.kbnj.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Interesting meet. Nice lifting, Steve, considering all...
>
> Thanks, Keith. My DL hasn't moved in a year or more but 9 lbs. shy of
> my all-time 1RM felt surprisingly easy yesterday and I think my DL is
> getting ready to move up again - sometimes you just have to be patient.
> I hope this TSC "sport" catches on - it's caught the attention of some
> in the CrossFit crowd and I think it's a good thing, a pretty decent
> test of all-around fitness. There are always suggestions about adding
> another event, varying the events, etc., but we're trying to stick with
> this format. One guy, at 183 lbs. and 6'2" or so, did a 450 DL, 25
> pullups, and 140 kb snatches in 5:00 - pretty impressive. It would be
> pretty interesting to see you at one of these - you'd do very well.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
> >
> > --
> > Keith
>
>

Mebbe in the deadlift and pull-up, but 5 minutes of snatching...

(rolls eyes and groans)

I'm getting tired just thinking about it!

The pull-ups is pretty impressive too, considering you have to touch
your neck or chest and then go back to the dead hang. Wow. I've done
over 20, but never that strictly.

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:khobman800-984C13.07103505032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <550fhqF22pjkoU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:khobman800-BA1059.11392504032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>> > In article <5501d2F22qccqU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> > "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I attended my first Tactical Strength Challenge yesterday. For
>> >> those
>> >> not familiar with the format, it's three events:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Deadlift - 3 attempts for a one-rep max.
>> >>
>> >> 2. Pullups - bodyweight, max reps, single attempt, body must
>> >> touch
>> >> the
>> >> bar on chest, throat, or underside of chin or the rep doesn't
>> >> count.
>> >>
>> >> 3. Kettlebell snatches - max reps in 5 minutes with a 24 kg bell,
>> >> you
>> >> can put the bell down, walk away, get a drink of water, whatever
>> >> you
>> >> like for your 5 minutes
>> >>
>> >> There is also an optional Elite division - same DL, pullups are
>> >> weighted
>> >> with 10 kg, kettlebell snatches are done with 32 kg instead. No
>> >> one
>> >> at
>> >> the location I was at did the Elite division.
>> >>
>> >> My results: Weighed in at 151, had a cold, and was overall
>> >> pleased.
>> >>
>> >> DL: 315, 335, 355 - all went up pretty easily. My lifetime PR is
>> >> 364
>> >> and I might even have had a new PR in me but I was content.
>> >>
>> >> Pullups: 20 reps even. Again, I wasn't feeling great, the last
>> >> rep
>> >> was
>> >> an effort, and I probably had another rep or two in me.
>> >>
>> >> Snatch - went poorly - asthma, my cold, and the two previous
>> >> events
>> >> and
>> >> I had to put the bell down after only 20+20 reps - I've done 90
>> >> reps
>> >> at
>> >> pace and non-stop in training before and was hoping for 100 today.
>> >>
>> >> The other attendees did great. One 164 lb. guy did a 500 lb. sumo
>> >> DL,
>> >> another guy got 25 pullups, and many had over 100 kb snatches in
>> >> their
>> >> allotted time. The one woman participant managed 8 pullups. As
>> >> you'd
>> >> expect, there were a few big guys with good DL's who weren't much
>> >> good
>> >> at pullups, but I was impressed by several big guys who, in
>> >> addition
>> >> to
>> >> their big DL's, also managed 10 or more pullups and 100+ kb
>> >> snatches.
>> >>
>> >> The full results of the meet, held at about 15-16 different site
>> >> across
>> >> the US and Canada, will be posted here in a few days:
>> >> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge.com
>> >>
>> >> Some results are already posted on the DragonDoor forum, see
>> >> http://forum.dragondoor.com?kbid=1022
>> >>
>> >> -S-
>> >> http://www.kbnj.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Interesting meet. Nice lifting, Steve, considering all...
>>
>> Thanks, Keith. My DL hasn't moved in a year or more but 9 lbs. shy
>> of
>> my all-time 1RM felt surprisingly easy yesterday and I think my DL is
>> getting ready to move up again - sometimes you just have to be
>> patient.
>> I hope this TSC "sport" catches on - it's caught the attention of
>> some
>> in the CrossFit crowd and I think it's a good thing, a pretty decent
>> test of all-around fitness. There are always suggestions about
>> adding
>> another event, varying the events, etc., but we're trying to stick
>> with
>> this format. One guy, at 183 lbs. and 6'2" or so, did a 450 DL, 25
>> pullups, and 140 kb snatches in 5:00 - pretty impressive. It would
>> be
>> pretty interesting to see you at one of these - you'd do very well.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Keith
>>
>>
>
> Mebbe in the deadlift and pull-up, but 5 minutes of snatching...
>
> (rolls eyes and groans)
>
> I'm getting tired just thinking about it!

Yup, that's the idea.

> The pull-ups is pretty impressive too, considering you have to touch
> your neck or chest and then go back to the dead hang. Wow. I've done
> over 20, but never that strictly.

They were calling them, too - no count for a rep you didn't touch on.
Nobody messed up the dead hang part.

Preliminary results below - some pretty strong stuff. One more site is
holding a meet next Saturday, and then we'll do rankings across everyone
who participated.

http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge.../20070303.html

-S-

> --
> Keith

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> writes:

> DL: 315, 335, 355 - all went up pretty easily. My lifetime PR is 364
> and I might even have had a new PR in me but I was content.

Just for giggles the other day I loaded up the bar with 360 lbs to see
if I could deadlift it. My previous PR was a pitiful 325 lbs for 2
reps, and I hadn't deadlifted in a while out of shame. My reasoning
for trying 360 lbs was that I believed that your PR was somewhat less
than that. Surprisingly I was actually able to lift the weight.

@#$!! you.

On the bright side I learned that I am capable of lifting a *lot* more
than I would have guessed with a bit of a layoff. It would have been
months before I even attempted that weight sneaking up on it with a
PTTP cycle. I think part of the reason that I haven't attempted
heavier weights is that I was just scared.

I was planning another max lift on Friday. Perhaps I'll try for 380
just to be safe...

Thanks once again for the inspiration Steve. The Strength Challenge
sounds like fun. I'm getting pretty good at snatches. It might be
interesting to see how many I can do in 5 minutes. The pullup bit is
just crazy. I don't think my left elbow could take that sort of
abuse. It doesn't respond well to pullups.

"Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:87lkiap7of.fsf@workhorse.earlhome...
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> writes:
>
>> DL: 315, 335, 355 - all went up pretty easily. My lifetime PR is 364
>> and I might even have had a new PR in me but I was content.
>
> Just for giggles the other day I loaded up the bar with 360 lbs to see
> if I could deadlift it. My previous PR was a pitiful 325 lbs for 2
> reps, and I hadn't deadlifted in a while out of shame. My reasoning
> for trying 360 lbs was that I believed that your PR was somewhat less
> than that. Surprisingly I was actually able to lift the weight.
>
> @#$!! you.
>
> On the bright side I learned that I am capable of lifting a *lot* more
> than I would have guessed with a bit of a layoff. It would have been
> months before I even attempted that weight sneaking up on it with a
> PTTP cycle. I think part of the reason that I haven't attempted
> heavier weights is that I was just scared.
>
> I was planning another max lift on Friday. Perhaps I'll try for 380
> just to be safe...
>
> Thanks once again for the inspiration Steve. The Strength Challenge
> sounds like fun. I'm getting pretty good at snatches. It might be
> interesting to see how many I can do in 5 minutes. The pullup bit is
> just crazy. I don't think my left elbow could take that sort of
> abuse. It doesn't respond well to pullups.

All sounds good, Jason.

There is much to learn about doing pullups for reps - the guy who did 25
weighed 30+ lbs. more than me, and he had all sorts of interesting
things to say about how he does them, concepts I've heard, tried, but
haven't mastered yet.

Snatches in 5:00 is a good fitness test - takes some strength, some
technique, some endurance.

Looking forward to your report on your next max test.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> writes:

> "Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message

<snip>

>> Thanks once again for the inspiration Steve. The Strength
>> Challenge sounds like fun. I'm getting pretty good at snatches.
>> It might be interesting to see how many I can do in 5 minutes. The
>> pullup bit is just crazy. I don't think my left elbow could take
>> that sort of abuse. It doesn't respond well to pullups.
>
> All sounds good, Jason.
>
> There is much to learn about doing pullups for reps - the guy who
> did 25 weighed 30+ lbs. more than me, and he had all sorts of
> interesting things to say about how he does them, concepts I've
> heard, tried, but haven't mastered yet.

If your buddy weighs 30+ lbs. more than you, then I probably weigh
50+ more lbs. than him . I stopped doing chins because they started
to really hurt my elbow. Just for fun I tried a few today, and I
didn't feel much pain. Perhaps it is time to add pullups back into
the rotation.

> Snatches in 5:00 is a good fitness test - takes some strength, some
> technique, some endurance.

I can imagine. I have done as many as 30 + 30 consecutive snatches.
Of course, afterward I didn't feel right for a while. Recently I have
used much shorter sets and I simply have tried to do them every half
hour all day long. I like the break it gives me from work, and it
still freaks out my co-workers when the come into my office and I am
doing snatches. I probably need to work on my endurance, though.

> Looking forward to your report on your next max test.

I am too. I really want to get to the point where I can pull twice my
body weight, and every little bit helps.

Jason

Jason Earl wrote:
[...]

> Just for giggles the other day I loaded up
> the bar with 360 lbs to see if I could deadlift it.
> My previous PR was a pitiful 325 lbs for 2
> reps, and I hadn't deadlifted in a while out
> of shame. My reasoning for trying 360 lbs
> was that I believed that your PR was
> somewhat less than that. Surprisingly I was
> actually able to lift the weight.

Congratulations and welcome back, Jason.

[...]

> I was planning another max lift on Friday.
> Perhaps I'll try for 380 just to be safe...

Good luck!

> Thanks once again for the inspiration Steve.

And hats off to Freides for being a positive role model.

[...]

--
Curt

"Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:87d53lqx0w.fsf@workhorse.earlhome...
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> writes:
>
>> "Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Thanks once again for the inspiration Steve. The Strength
>>> Challenge sounds like fun. I'm getting pretty good at snatches.
>>> It might be interesting to see how many I can do in 5 minutes. The
>>> pullup bit is just crazy. I don't think my left elbow could take
>>> that sort of abuse. It doesn't respond well to pullups.
>>
>> All sounds good, Jason.
>>
>> There is much to learn about doing pullups for reps - the guy who
>> did 25 weighed 30+ lbs. more than me, and he had all sorts of
>> interesting things to say about how he does them, concepts I've
>> heard, tried, but haven't mastered yet.
>
> If your buddy weighs 30+ lbs. more than you, then I probably weigh
> 50+ more lbs. than him . I stopped doing chins because they started
> to really hurt my elbow. Just for fun I tried a few today, and I
> didn't feel much pain. Perhaps it is time to add pullups back into
> the rotation.

I'll give you one thought to start with, maybe it will help. Try this
for practice first - dead hang on the bar, including fairly relaxed in
the shoulders. Now suck the shoulders down into their sockets but don't
do anything else - your body should come up short distance, people might
even tell you it looks like you're raising your shoulders, but you're
doing the opposite, thinking about sucking the shoulder down into its
socket. It's important for this drill you keep the elbows locked
throughout.

After you've done a few of those, and do them with power (read: pretty
fast), take a short break (maybe :30-1:00) then try starting a pullup
that way - hang, then use that sucking down of the shoulder to start and
think about it propelling your body upwards.

If you try it, let me know what you think.

>> Snatches in 5:00 is a good fitness test - takes some strength, some
>> technique, some endurance.
>
> I can imagine. I have done as many as 30 + 30 consecutive snatches.
> Of course, afterward I didn't feel right for a while. Recently I have
> used much shorter sets and I simply have tried to do them every half
> hour all day long. I like the break it gives me from work, and it
> still freaks out my co-workers when the come into my office and I am
> doing snatches. I probably need to work on my endurance, though.

The short sets like that, to the best of my understanding, are great for
skill and strength, and great for endurance through high total volume,
but only up to a point, and after that point you'll find you need to
work longer sets. Pavel had a similar observation about "GTG" protocol
for increasing max pullup reps - he said it will get a lot of people
from just a few up to 20-25, but after that you need other things.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


>> Looking forward to your report on your next max test.
>
> I am too. I really want to get to the point where I can pull twice my
> body weight, and every little bit helps.
>
> Jason

"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> writes:

> Jason Earl wrote:
> [...]
>
>> Just for giggles the other day I loaded up
>> the bar with 360 lbs to see if I could deadlift it.
>> My previous PR was a pitiful 325 lbs for 2
>> reps, and I hadn't deadlifted in a while out
>> of shame. My reasoning for trying 360 lbs
>> was that I believed that your PR was
>> somewhat less than that. Surprisingly I was
>> actually able to lift the weight.
>
> Congratulations and welcome back, Jason.

It's good to be back...

Mostly.

Jason

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:06:33 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> schreef:
>
>> DL: 315, 335, 355 - all went up pretty easily. My lifetime PR is 364 and
>> I might even have had a new PR in me but I was content.
>
>Stevie is stronger than i ever was.
>
>Heaviest DL i ever did was 160 kilo, for 6 reps. I wanted to bring out my
>traps and lower back a bit.

heh...

For bodybuilders the limiting factor to hypertrophy is rarely limit
strength, in my observation.

--
Is this thing on?

"Joe Humble" <joehumble@earthlink.net> schreef:

>>Stevie is stronger than i ever was.

>>Heaviest DL i ever did was 160 kilo, for 6 reps. I wanted to bring out my
>>traps and lower back a bit.

> heh...

> For bodybuilders the limiting factor to hypertrophy is rarely limit
> strength, in my observation.

Limiting factor for growth is androgen levels. And food consumption.

--
Pete

Results from all locations:

http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge...rnational.html

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
news:5501d2F22qccqU1@mid.individual.net...
>I attended my first Tactical Strength Challenge yesterday. For those
>not familiar with the format, it's three events:
>
> 1. Deadlift - 3 attempts for a one-rep max.
>
> 2. Pullups - bodyweight, max reps, single attempt, body must touch
> the bar on chest, throat, or underside of chin or the rep doesn't
> count.
>
> 3. Kettlebell snatches - max reps in 5 minutes with a 24 kg bell, you
> can put the bell down, walk away, get a drink of water, whatever you
> like for your 5 minutes
>
> There is also an optional Elite division - same DL, pullups are
> weighted with 10 kg, kettlebell snatches are done with 32 kg instead.
> No one at the location I was at did the Elite division.
>
> My results: Weighed in at 151, had a cold, and was overall pleased.
>
> DL: 315, 335, 355 - all went up pretty easily. My lifetime PR is 364
> and I might even have had a new PR in me but I was content.
>
> Pullups: 20 reps even. Again, I wasn't feeling great, the last rep
> was an effort, and I probably had another rep or two in me.
>
> Snatch - went poorly - asthma, my cold, and the two previous events
> and I had to put the bell down after only 20+20 reps - I've done 90
> reps at pace and non-stop in training before and was hoping for 100
> today.
>
> The other attendees did great. One 164 lb. guy did a 500 lb. sumo DL,
> another guy got 25 pullups, and many had over 100 kb snatches in their
> allotted time. The one woman participant managed 8 pullups. As you'd
> expect, there were a few big guys with good DL's who weren't much good
> at pullups, but I was impressed by several big guys who, in addition
> to their big DL's, also managed 10 or more pullups and 100+ kb
> snatches.
>
> The full results of the meet, held at about 15-16 different site
> across the US and Canada, will be posted here in a few days:
> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge.com
>
> Some results are already posted on the DragonDoor forum, see
> http://forum.dragondoor.com?kbid=1022
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>

In article <55qipnF267g2eU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge...rnational.html

Hay! Lynn is on there. She used to subscribe to deepsquatter's
"Strength" email forum. Hella strong lady.

Check it out. She weighs 118, deadlifted 270, did 20 pull-ups and 101
snatches in 5 minutes with a 16 kg kettlebell. Pretty impressive.

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:khobman800-16E10C.09440514032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <55qipnF267g2eU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge...rnational.html
>
> Hay! Lynn is on there. She used to subscribe to deepsquatter's
> "Strength" email forum. Hella strong lady.
>
> Check it out. She weighs 118, deadlifted 270, did 20 pull-ups and 101
> snatches in 5 minutes with a 16 kg kettlebell. Pretty impressive.

Yes, fantastic performance. 20 pullups is the part that impressed me
more than anything - many women can't even do one.

Check out the numbers from the first couple of guys, both of whom were
at the location I was at, Marlboro, NJ. 183 lbs bodyweight and about 6'
2" (skinny), 455 DL w/ only a belt, 25 pulups, and 140 kb (24 kg)
snatches. The second place guy weighed 192, pulled 530, did 20 pullups,
and 120 kb snatches. Both tremendous examples of all around fitness -
strength, conditioning, endurance.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> --
> Keith

In article <55qsefF25sn58U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:khobman800-16E10C.09440514032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > In article <55qipnF267g2eU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge...ernational.htm
> >> l
> >
> > Hay! Lynn is on there. She used to subscribe to deepsquatter's
> > "Strength" email forum. Hella strong lady.
> >
> > Check it out. She weighs 118, deadlifted 270, did 20 pull-ups and 101
> > snatches in 5 minutes with a 16 kg kettlebell. Pretty impressive.
>
> Yes, fantastic performance. 20 pullups is the part that impressed me
> more than anything - many women can't even do one.
>
> Check out the numbers from the first couple of guys, both of whom were
> at the location I was at, Marlboro, NJ. 183 lbs bodyweight and about 6'
> 2" (skinny), 455 DL w/ only a belt, 25 pulups, and 140 kb (24 kg)
> snatches. The second place guy weighed 192, pulled 530, did 20 pullups,
> and 120 kb snatches. Both tremendous examples of all around fitness -
> strength, conditioning, endurance.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>
> > --
> > Keith
>
>

I've decided to play rugby this year, so the workout has some interest
to me. The problem with it is speed. Athletic training requires rate of
force development and nothing in the tactical challenge develops it.

Now, if they would only C&J, pull-up and kb snatches I'd like it better.

:^)

--
Keith

In news:khobman800-E2D5F5.13070214032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net,
Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> typed:
> In article <55qsefF25sn58U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:khobman800-16E10C.09440514032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>> In article <55qipnF267g2eU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge...ernational.htm
>>>> l
>>>
>>> Hay! Lynn is on there. She used to subscribe to deepsquatter's
>>> "Strength" email forum. Hella strong lady.
>>>
>>> Check it out. She weighs 118, deadlifted 270, did 20 pull-ups and
>>> 101 snatches in 5 minutes with a 16 kg kettlebell. Pretty
>>> impressive.
>>
>> Yes, fantastic performance. 20 pullups is the part that impressed me
>> more than anything - many women can't even do one.
>>
>> Check out the numbers from the first couple of guys, both of whom
>> were at the location I was at, Marlboro, NJ. 183 lbs bodyweight and
>> about 6' 2" (skinny), 455 DL w/ only a belt, 25 pulups, and 140 kb
>> (24 kg) snatches. The second place guy weighed 192, pulled 530, did
>> 20 pullups, and 120 kb snatches. Both tremendous examples of all
>> around fitness - strength, conditioning, endurance.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> Keith
>>
>>
>
> I've decided to play rugby this year,

For whom? What position do you play?

> so the workout has some interest
> to me. The problem with it is speed. Athletic training requires rate
> of force development and nothing in the tactical challenge develops
> it.
>
> Now, if they would only C&J, pull-up and kb snatches I'd like it
> better.
>
> :^)



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

In article <55r4lcF2610qcU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> In news:khobman800-E2D5F5.13070214032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net,
> Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> typed:
> > In article <55qsefF25sn58U1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:khobman800-16E10C.09440514032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> >>> In article <55qipnF267g2eU1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge...nternational.h
> >>>> tm
> >>>> l
> >>>
> >>> Hay! Lynn is on there. She used to subscribe to deepsquatter's
> >>> "Strength" email forum. Hella strong lady.
> >>>
> >>> Check it out. She weighs 118, deadlifted 270, did 20 pull-ups and
> >>> 101 snatches in 5 minutes with a 16 kg kettlebell. Pretty
> >>> impressive.
> >>
> >> Yes, fantastic performance. 20 pullups is the part that impressed me
> >> more than anything - many women can't even do one.
> >>
> >> Check out the numbers from the first couple of guys, both of whom
> >> were at the location I was at, Marlboro, NJ. 183 lbs bodyweight and
> >> about 6' 2" (skinny), 455 DL w/ only a belt, 25 pulups, and 140 kb
> >> (24 kg) snatches. The second place guy weighed 192, pulled 530, did
> >> 20 pullups, and 120 kb snatches. Both tremendous examples of all
> >> around fitness - strength, conditioning, endurance.
> >>
> >> -S-
> >> http://www.kbnj.com
> >>
> >>
> >>> --
> >>> Keith
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I've decided to play rugby this year,
>
> For whom? What position do you play?

KREMS, local club. I played from 1982-1995 at club level - also made
provincial selects and was invited to camp for National 'B' side. I've
always been a prop forward - love the position - but suspect I may play
flanker now. I was a very small, quick prop. Played at 200 lbs most of
the time, but I could deadlift well over 500 in those days and I was
quite fast - faster than our flankers. We just had a need at prop and I
had never played rugby. By the time I learnt the game I liked playing
front row.

Anyhow, I'm going on 49 and will likely play 1st division here - which
of course is a far cry from your first. Assuming I can get my fitness up
to snuff. I did wind sprints this am and then into the gym for series of
bear crawls, crab walks, mountain climbers and tumbling. Typical of the
type of training I'm going to do for rugby. I also did my olympic
lifting workout at noon. I have no desire to transform all my
hard-earned fast twitch muscle in the legs and hips to endurance fiber.
Olympic weightlifting is still my main sport. So my endurance work is
more like a wrestlers and then sprint intervals for the legs.

My main motivation is to play the same side as my son. If he wins junior
nationals this weekend in wrestling he goes to China for worlds. I'm not
sure what he will do with rugby then. So we'll see. I also like the
challenge - no one thinks I can play well at this age. Although I've
lost a step or two I can still outsprint most of the forwards at the
club level, so we'll see. The olympic weightlifting has been great for
my speed and flexibility.

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:khobman800-E2D5F5.13070214032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <55qsefF25sn58U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:khobman800-16E10C.09440514032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>> > In article <55qipnF267g2eU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> > "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge...ernational.htm
>> >> l
>> >
>> > Hay! Lynn is on there. She used to subscribe to deepsquatter's
>> > "Strength" email forum. Hella strong lady.
>> >
>> > Check it out. She weighs 118, deadlifted 270, did 20 pull-ups and
>> > 101
>> > snatches in 5 minutes with a 16 kg kettlebell. Pretty impressive.
>>
>> Yes, fantastic performance. 20 pullups is the part that impressed me
>> more than anything - many women can't even do one.
>>
>> Check out the numbers from the first couple of guys, both of whom
>> were
>> at the location I was at, Marlboro, NJ. 183 lbs bodyweight and about
>> 6'
>> 2" (skinny), 455 DL w/ only a belt, 25 pulups, and 140 kb (24 kg)
>> snatches. The second place guy weighed 192, pulled 530, did 20
>> pullups,
>> and 120 kb snatches. Both tremendous examples of all around
>> fitness -
>> strength, conditioning, endurance.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>>
>> > --
>> > Keith
>>
>>
>
> I've decided to play rugby this year, so the workout has some interest
> to me. The problem with it is speed. Athletic training requires rate
> of
> force development and nothing in the tactical challenge develops it.
>
> Now, if they would only C&J, pull-up and kb snatches I'd like it
> better.
>
> :^)

One of the good things about the TSC is that many people don't need to
train specifically for it. You could do whatever you're now doing, and
maybe a few pulls in the weeks leading up to the meet, and show up, do
well, and have a grand old time.

And if you saw the speed at which the guy who did 25 pullups did them,
you wouldn't say that about speed. The approach might best be
described as kipping without kipping - you hang at the bottom, then you
explode up by tightening glutes, abs, the muscles around the rib cage,
sucking the shoulders down into their sockets, etc., and it almost feels
like a kettlebell snatch - explode, float, lockout, lower, repeat. It's
a very cool approach to bw pullups, IMHO.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> --
> Keith

In news:khobman800-044D58.14562414032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net,
Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> typed:
> In article <55r4lcF2610qcU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>> In
>> news:khobman800-E2D5F5.13070214032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net,
>> Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> typed:
>>> In article <55qsefF25sn58U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:khobman800-16E10C.09440514032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>>>> In article <55qipnF267g2eU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge...nternational.h
>>>>>> tm
>>>>>> l
>>>>>
>>>>> Hay! Lynn is on there. She used to subscribe to deepsquatter's
>>>>> "Strength" email forum. Hella strong lady.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check it out. She weighs 118, deadlifted 270, did 20 pull-ups and
>>>>> 101 snatches in 5 minutes with a 16 kg kettlebell. Pretty
>>>>> impressive.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, fantastic performance. 20 pullups is the part that impressed
>>>> me more than anything - many women can't even do one.
>>>>
>>>> Check out the numbers from the first couple of guys, both of whom
>>>> were at the location I was at, Marlboro, NJ. 183 lbs bodyweight
>>>> and about 6' 2" (skinny), 455 DL w/ only a belt, 25 pulups, and
>>>> 140 kb (24 kg) snatches. The second place guy weighed 192, pulled
>>>> 530, did 20 pullups, and 120 kb snatches. Both tremendous
>>>> examples of all around fitness - strength, conditioning, endurance.
>>>>
>>>> -S-
>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've decided to play rugby this year,
>>
>> For whom? What position do you play?
>
> KREMS, local club. I played from 1982-1995 at club level - also made
> provincial selects and was invited to camp for National 'B' side. I've
> always been a prop forward - love the position - but suspect I may
> play flanker now. I was a very small, quick prop. Played at 200 lbs
> most of the time, but I could deadlift well over 500 in those days
> and I was quite fast - faster than our flankers. We just had a need
> at prop and I had never played rugby. By the time I learnt the game I
> liked playing front row.
>
> Anyhow, I'm going on 49 and will likely play 1st division here - which
> of course is a far cry from your first. Assuming I can get my fitness
> up to snuff. I did wind sprints this am and then into the gym for
> series of bear crawls, crab walks, mountain climbers and tumbling.
> Typical of the type of training I'm going to do for rugby. I also did
> my olympic lifting workout at noon. I have no desire to transform all
> my hard-earned fast twitch muscle in the legs and hips to endurance
> fiber. Olympic weightlifting is still my main sport. So my endurance
> work is more like a wrestlers and then sprint intervals for the legs.
>
> My main motivation is to play the same side as my son. If he wins
> junior nationals this weekend in wrestling he goes to China for
> worlds. I'm not sure what he will do with rugby then. So we'll see. I
> also like the challenge - no one thinks I can play well at this age.
> Although I've lost a step or two I can still outsprint most of the
> forwards at the club level, so we'll see. The olympic weightlifting
> has been great for my speed and flexibility.

Sprint ability is one thing. Wait till you've tackled or been tackled half a
dozen times then see how much you feel like getting up, let alone sprinting
!!! I'm sure this is not new news to you! I'll be interested to see how
you fare.

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
news:55slttF266mddU1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:khobman800-044D58.14562414032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net,
> Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> typed:
>> In article <55r4lcF2610qcU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>
>>> In
>>> news:khobman800-E2D5F5.13070214032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net,
>>> Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com> typed:
>>>> In article <55qsefF25sn58U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:khobman800-16E10C.09440514032007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>>>>> In article <55qipnF267g2eU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tacticalstrengthchallenge...nternational.h
>>>>>>> tm
>>>>>>> l
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hay! Lynn is on there. She used to subscribe to deepsquatter's
>>>>>> "Strength" email forum. Hella strong lady.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check it out. She weighs 118, deadlifted 270, did 20 pull-ups and
>>>>>> 101 snatches in 5 minutes with a 16 kg kettlebell. Pretty
>>>>>> impressive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, fantastic performance. 20 pullups is the part that impressed
>>>>> me more than anything - many women can't even do one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out the numbers from the first couple of guys, both of whom
>>>>> were at the location I was at, Marlboro, NJ. 183 lbs bodyweight
>>>>> and about 6' 2" (skinny), 455 DL w/ only a belt, 25 pulups, and
>>>>> 140 kb (24 kg) snatches. The second place guy weighed 192, pulled
>>>>> 530, did 20 pullups, and 120 kb snatches. Both tremendous
>>>>> examples of all around fitness - strength, conditioning,
>>>>> endurance.
>>>>>
>>>>> -S-
>>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've decided to play rugby this year,
>>>
>>> For whom? What position do you play?
>>
>> KREMS, local club. I played from 1982-1995 at club level - also made
>> provincial selects and was invited to camp for National 'B' side.
>> I've
>> always been a prop forward - love the position - but suspect I may
>> play flanker now. I was a very small, quick prop. Played at 200 lbs
>> most of the time, but I could deadlift well over 500 in those days
>> and I was quite fast - faster than our flankers. We just had a need
>> at prop and I had never played rugby. By the time I learnt the game I
>> liked playing front row.
>>
>> Anyhow, I'm going on 49 and will likely play 1st division here -
>> which
>> of course is a far cry from your first. Assuming I can get my fitness
>> up to snuff. I did wind sprints this am and then into the gym for
>> series of bear crawls, crab walks, mountain climbers and tumbling.
>> Typical of the type of training I'm going to do for rugby. I also did
>> my olympic lifting workout at noon. I have no desire to transform all
>> my hard-earned fast twitch muscle in the legs and hips to endurance
>> fiber. Olympic weightlifting is still my main sport. So my endurance
>> work is more like a wrestlers and then sprint intervals for the legs.
>>
>> My main motivation is to play the same side as my son. If he wins
>> junior nationals this weekend in wrestling he goes to China for
>> worlds. I'm not sure what he will do with rugby then. So we'll see. I
>> also like the challenge - no one thinks I can play well at this age.
>> Although I've lost a step or two I can still outsprint most of the
>> forwards at the club level, so we'll see. The olympic weightlifting
>> has been great for my speed and flexibility.
>
> Sprint ability is one thing. Wait till you've tackled or been tackled
> half a dozen times then see how much you feel like getting up, let
> alone sprinting !!! I'm sure this is not new news to you! I'll be
> interested to see how you fare.

We watch rugby sometimes now. We subscribed to a channel here that
originates in the UK called "Setanta Sports" for the soccer, but we
enjoy watching the rugby and even the various other sports like
Australian rules football, some of the time. Rugby is a bizarre looking
game to me still - looks like a slightly (but only slightly) organized
riot.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> > > I've decided to play rugby this year,
> >
> > For whom? What position do you play?
>
> KREMS, local club. I played from 1982-1995 at club level - also made
> provincial selects and was invited to camp for National 'B' side. I've
> always been a prop forward - love the position - but suspect I may play
> flanker now. I was a very small, quick prop. Played at 200 lbs most of
> the time, but I could deadlift well over 500 in those days and I was
> quite fast - faster than our flankers. We just had a need at prop and I
> had never played rugby. By the time I learnt the game I liked playing
> front row.
>
> Anyhow, I'm going on 49 and will likely play 1st division here - which
> of course is a far cry from your first. Assuming I can get my fitness up
> to snuff. I did wind sprints this am and then into the gym for series of
> bear crawls, crab walks, mountain climbers and tumbling. Typical of the
> type of training I'm going to do for rugby. I also did my olympic
> lifting workout at noon. I have no desire to transform all my
> hard-earned fast twitch muscle in the legs and hips to endurance fiber.
> Olympic weightlifting is still my main sport. So my endurance work is
> more like a wrestlers and then sprint intervals for the legs.
>
> My main motivation is to play the same side as my son. If he wins junior
> nationals this weekend in wrestling he goes to China for worlds. I'm not
> sure what he will do with rugby then. So we'll see. I also like the
> challenge - no one thinks I can play well at this age. Although I've
> lost a step or two I can still outsprint most of the forwards at the
> club level, so we'll see. The olympic weightlifting has been great for
> my speed and flexibility.

JPEG's Please!

yummmm - rugby
Lisa
And congrats on the boy - Jr. Nationals is some bigtime achievement!