Thoughts on Protein brands

I barely know where to begin with this one!

For the last several months, I've been using Body Fortress protein,
creatine, and glutamine (Wal-Mart special). I live in a small town,
and this was quite literally my only local option, so even though I'm
morally opposed to going to Wal-Mart, I didn't have much of a choice.

Well, one of my clients owns a health food store (mainly carries fresh
groceries, soy milk, and some supplements like Lysine and
Glucosamine), and after hearing my complaints ordered some stuff for
me to try out. The brand he ordered is called "Natural Sport;" I've
never heard of it, but his only other option was Twin Labs pills (and
I specifically requested powder). It's trademarked by Nutraceutical
Corp.

I haven't tried the creatine yet, so I'll post on that one later (it
has a few other mixes, so it's not just creatine monohydrate).

First off, the protein that I have now is a LOT more expensive than
Body Fortress. I give around $10 USD for a 5lb tub, whereas Natural
Sport was $20 for just over 1lb (17.6oz, or 498g). So, we're talking a
whopping ten times the price, so it had better offer some remarkable
results!

I don't have the Body Fortress tub in front of me to compare with, but
this is what Natural Sport says:

Serving size: 36g (4 tablespoons)
Calories: 120
Calories from fat: 10

Total fat: 1g
Saturated fat: 0g
Trans fat: 0g

Cholesterol: 15mg

Total Carbohydrate: 8g
Dietary fiber: 1g
Sugars: <1g

Protein: 23g

Sodium (from whey protein): 120mg

FiberAid AG: 500mg
(Larch Tree extract) (guaranteed 475mg arabinogalactan)

Proprietary FOS Fiber Blend: 700mg
(fructooligosaccharides, sprouted mung bean extract)


I have to admit that I have felt absolutely no impact from the Body
Fortress protein, so I've been wondering just how legitimate the RDA
information is on it. I mean, it DOES come from Wal-Mart, so for all I
know it's 50% sand and ash! LOL But at the same time, at the rate I'm
going I'll have to spend $240 on this new protein over the next 2 or 3
months, just to see if it makes any more of a difference.

So what do you guys think? Am I wasting money here, or is this really
a better quality product?

TIA,

Jason

"Jason" <jwcarlton@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172915759.970202.324670@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
>I barely know where to begin with this one!
>
> For the last several months, I've been using Body Fortress protein,
> creatine, and glutamine (Wal-Mart special). I live in a small town,
> and this was quite literally my only local option, so even though I'm
> morally opposed to going to Wal-Mart, I didn't have much of a choice.
>
> Well, one of my clients owns a health food store (mainly carries fresh
> groceries, soy milk, and some supplements like Lysine and
> Glucosamine), and after hearing my complaints ordered some stuff for
> me to try out. The brand he ordered is called "Natural Sport;" I've
> never heard of it, but his only other option was Twin Labs pills (and
> I specifically requested powder). It's trademarked by Nutraceutical
> Corp.
>
> I haven't tried the creatine yet, so I'll post on that one later (it
> has a few other mixes, so it's not just creatine monohydrate).
>
> First off, the protein that I have now is a LOT more expensive than
> Body Fortress. I give around $10 USD for a 5lb tub, whereas Natural
> Sport was $20 for just over 1lb (17.6oz, or 498g). So, we're talking a
> whopping ten times the price, so it had better offer some remarkable
> results!
>
> I don't have the Body Fortress tub in front of me to compare with, but
> this is what Natural Sport says:
>
> Serving size: 36g (4 tablespoons)
> Calories: 120
> Calories from fat: 10
>
> Total fat: 1g
> Saturated fat: 0g
> Trans fat: 0g
>
> Cholesterol: 15mg
>
> Total Carbohydrate: 8g
> Dietary fiber: 1g
> Sugars: <1g
>
> Protein: 23g
>
> Sodium (from whey protein): 120mg
>
> FiberAid AG: 500mg
> (Larch Tree extract) (guaranteed 475mg arabinogalactan)
>
> Proprietary FOS Fiber Blend: 700mg
> (fructooligosaccharides, sprouted mung bean extract)
>
>
> I have to admit that I have felt absolutely no impact from the Body
> Fortress protein, so I've been wondering just how legitimate the RDA
> information is on it. I mean, it DOES come from Wal-Mart, so for all I
> know it's 50% sand and ash! LOL But at the same time, at the rate I'm
> going I'll have to spend $240 on this new protein over the next 2 or 3
> months, just to see if it makes any more of a difference.
>
> So what do you guys think? Am I wasting money here, or is this really
> a better quality product?
>
> TIA,

Does Walmart offend you? Some people are hard to please - they want the
really low prices and they also want Walmart employees to be paid really
well. Staff wages is the biggest single overhead item by a long shot. Would
like to pay 10% more for your shopping from Walmart?

"David" <forgot...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> "Jason" <jwcarl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > For the last several months, I've been using Body Fortress protein,
> > creatine, and glutamine (Wal-Mart special). I live in a small town,
> > and this was quite literally my only local option, so even though I'm
> > morally opposed to going to Wal-Mart, I didn't have much of a choice.

> Does Walmart offend you? Some people are hard to please - they want the
> really low prices and they also want Walmart employees to be paid really
> well. Staff wages is the biggest single overhead item by a long shot. Would
> like to pay 10% more for your shopping from Walmart?- Hide quoted text -

Haven't you heard? Wal-Mart employs slave labor. That's right. You
heard me correctly. Poor people and illegal Australian aliens are
rounded up and forced...FORCED, I tell you...to work there.

It's immoral. Just immoral.

I thought you should know.

David
the morally sensitive one, not you

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> schreef:

> Haven't you heard? Wal-Mart employs slave labor. That's right. You
> heard me correctly. Poor people and illegal Australian aliens are
> rounded up and forced...FORCED, I tell you...to work there.

I noticed that YOU Americans have build your Country by exploiting
foreigners. Thats bad.

> It's immoral. Just immoral.

You damn right it is!

> I thought you should know.

And i just thought i would share this with YOU!

Pete

On Mar 3, 7:29 am, "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
> "David Cohen" <sammies...@gmail.com> schreef:
>
> > Haven't you heard? Wal-Mart employs slave labor. That's right. You
> > heard me correctly. Poor people and illegal Australian aliens are
> > rounded up and forced...FORCED, I tell you...to work there.
>
> I noticed that YOU Americans have build your Country by exploiting
> foreigners. Thats bad.
>
> > It's immoral. Just immoral.
>
> You damn right it is!
>
> > I thought you should know.
>
> And i just thought i would share this with YOU!
>
> Pete

If your lucky and its a superwalmart,I would go into food dept. and
get a box of dried milk powder.Use that in your magic mixes.
Unless you think its more noble to support the hucksters who are
selling milk,whey and flavored soy powder at 20 to 50 times the price.
Where do you think they get the complete protein?
One of the biggest rackets going.

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172923254.123737.208150@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
> "David" <forgot...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> "Jason" <jwcarl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > For the last several months, I've been using Body Fortress protein,
>> > creatine, and glutamine (Wal-Mart special). I live in a small town,
>> > and this was quite literally my only local option, so even though I'm
>> > morally opposed to going to Wal-Mart, I didn't have much of a choice.
>
>> Does Walmart offend you? Some people are hard to please - they want the
>> really low prices and they also want Walmart employees to be paid really
>> well. Staff wages is the biggest single overhead item by a long shot.
>> Would
>> like to pay 10% more for your shopping from Walmart?- Hide quoted text -
>
> Haven't you heard? Wal-Mart employs slave labor. That's right. You
> heard me correctly. Poor people and illegal Australian aliens are
> rounded up and forced...FORCED, I tell you...to work there.
>
> It's immoral. Just immoral.
>
> I thought you should know.

To tell you the truth, I half suspected that to be true. Otherwise, it would
be very hard to explain why those poor people would work for the miserable
wages they get. I hear that those very same staff people go out at night and
beg in the streets just to feed themselves and their families. It is
disgraceful what goes on in your country. It is definitely immoral.

>
> David
> the morally sensitive one, not you
>

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007, Jason wrote:

> I barely know where to begin with this one!
>
> For the last several months, I've been using Body Fortress protein,
> creatine, and glutamine (Wal-Mart special). I live in a small town,
> and this was quite literally my only local option, so even though I'm
> morally opposed to going to Wal-Mart, I didn't have much of a choice.
>
> Well, one of my clients owns a health food store (mainly carries fresh
> groceries, soy milk, and some supplements like Lysine and
> Glucosamine), and after hearing my complaints ordered some stuff for
> me to try out. The brand he ordered is called "Natural Sport;" I've
> never heard of it, but his only other option was Twin Labs pills (and
> I specifically requested powder). It's trademarked by Nutraceutical
> Corp.
>
> I haven't tried the creatine yet, so I'll post on that one later (it
> has a few other mixes, so it's not just creatine monohydrate).
>
> First off, the protein that I have now is a LOT more expensive than
> Body Fortress. I give around $10 USD for a 5lb tub, whereas Natural
> Sport was $20 for just over 1lb (17.6oz, or 498g). So, we're talking a
> whopping ten times the price, so it had better offer some remarkable
> results!
>
> I don't have the Body Fortress tub in front of me to compare with, but
> this is what Natural Sport says:
>
> Serving size: 36g (4 tablespoons)
> Calories: 120
> Calories from fat: 10
>
> Total fat: 1g
> Saturated fat: 0g
> Trans fat: 0g
>
> Cholesterol: 15mg
>
> Total Carbohydrate: 8g
> Dietary fiber: 1g
> Sugars: <1g
>
> Protein: 23g
>
> Sodium (from whey protein): 120mg
>
> FiberAid AG: 500mg
> (Larch Tree extract) (guaranteed 475mg arabinogalactan)
>
> Proprietary FOS Fiber Blend: 700mg
> (fructooligosaccharides, sprouted mung bean extract)
>
>
> I have to admit that I have felt absolutely no impact from the Body
> Fortress protein, so I've been wondering just how legitimate the RDA
> information is on it. I mean, it DOES come from Wal-Mart, so for all I
> know it's 50% sand and ash! LOL But at the same time, at the rate I'm
> going I'll have to spend $240 on this new protein over the next 2 or 3
> months, just to see if it makes any more of a difference.
>
> So what do you guys think? Am I wasting money here, or is this really
> a better quality product?
>
> TIA,
>
> Jason

I wouldn't buy the new protein. When I did supplement protein I used
products that didn't contain too many extra calories. If you want a good
quality protein look for one that has as close to 4 calories per gram of
protein that you can find. If you choose whey, look for proteins that have
been isolated, not filtered. Hydrolyzed whey proteins have already been
partially digested and permeate through the membrane in your small
intestine without any stomach processing. Hmmm... I guess this means you
could eat this stuff backwards if you wanted to. Would that make you shit
out your mouth though?


If you settle for regular whey proteins you might as well just buy the
powdered milk, as someone else has advised you already.


--Sir Jackery

"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

>"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> schreef:
>
>> Haven't you heard? Wal-Mart employs slave labor. That's right. You
>> heard me correctly. Poor people and illegal Australian aliens are
>> rounded up and forced...FORCED, I tell you...to work there.
>
>I noticed that YOU Americans have build your Country by exploiting
>foreigners. Thats bad.

Oh, bite me, dutchboy. Put on your wooden shoes and go plug a dyke.

"Jason" <jwcarlton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I have to admit that I have felt absolutely no impact from the Body
>Fortress protein, so I've been wondering just how legitimate the RDA
>information is on it. I mean, it DOES come from Wal-Mart, so for all I
>know it's 50% sand and ash!

That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time. Don't you think
a huge corporation like WalMart has better quality control and a lot
more to lose by mislabeling?

"Feeling impact" is not something you get from whey protein. It's not
a drug. You won't "feel" anything from it, and it isn't magic. You
won't "feel" anything from the rest of the crap you're planning to
buy, either, and the marginal benefit from the extra money you seem
willing to plonk down will be essentially nil.

Buy whey. Buy creatine. Get the best price you can for reputable
label claims. Use no more than you really need. Forget the other
crap.

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007, JMW wrote:

> "Jason" <jwcarlton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have to admit that I have felt absolutely no impact from the Body
>> Fortress protein, so I've been wondering just how legitimate the RDA
>> information is on it. I mean, it DOES come from Wal-Mart, so for all I
>> know it's 50% sand and ash!
>
> That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time. Don't you think
> a huge corporation like WalMart has better quality control and a lot
> more to lose by mislabeling?
>

Remember labelclaimstesting? Seems like the small companies just wrote
whatever the hell they wanted on their labels. Remember that power butter
crap? What a scam.


--Sir Jackery

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007, JMW wrote:

> "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@gmail.com> schreef:
>>
>>> Haven't you heard? Wal-Mart employs slave labor. That's right. You
>>> heard me correctly. Poor people and illegal Australian aliens are
>>> rounded up and forced...FORCED, I tell you...to work there.
>>
>> I noticed that YOU Americans have build your Country by exploiting
>> foreigners. Thats bad.
>
> Oh, bite me, dutchboy. Put on your wooden shoes and go plug a dyke.

And the Dutch don't exploit the labor of the Turks? Who do you think sorts
your mail? The bottom line is if people are willing to work for a certain
amount of money, shouldn't they be allowed to? Wouldn't denying them the
opportunity simply inhibit their individual liberty? That's what US
Americans built our country on: freedom. Life liberty and property.



www.lp.org

--Sir Jackery

Sir Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Mar 2007, JMW wrote:
>
>> "Jason" <jwcarlton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have to admit that I have felt absolutely no impact from the Body
>>> Fortress protein, so I've been wondering just how legitimate the RDA
>>> information is on it. I mean, it DOES come from Wal-Mart, so for all I
>>> know it's 50% sand and ash!
>>
>> That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time. Don't you think
>> a huge corporation like WalMart has better quality control and a lot
>> more to lose by mislabeling?
>>
>
>Remember labelclaimstesting? Seems like the small companies just wrote
>whatever the hell they wanted on their labels. Remember that power butter
>crap? What a scam.

I remember some of the early whey sellers having GC mass spec assays
done on competitors' stuff and posting links to the results in this
newsgroup. If WalMart was grossly understating the content of their
BodyFortress stuff, I imagine there would be a lot people going on the
attack and inducing people all over the USA to go after WalMart for
mislabeling.

The fact is that I can get 23 grams of protein per 30-gram scoop in a
two-pound tub for $11.47. That's hard to beat.

Cohen wrote:
> "David" wrote:
> > "Jason" wrote
[...]

> > > <snip> I'm morally opposed to going
> > > to Wal-Mart, I didn't have much of a
> > > choice.
> > >
> > Does Walmart offend you? <snip>
>
> Haven't you heard? Wal-Mart employs
> slave labor. That's right. You heard me
> correctly. Poor people and illegal Australian
> aliens are rounded up and forced...FORCED,
> I tell you...to work there.

Hey, the OP said he "didn't have much of a choice" so far as shopping
there goes, so apparently Wal-Mart's power exceeds simply those it
employs but reaches, in fact, to its customer base.

Wal-Mart Manager: "GET BACK TO WORK!"
Wal-Mart Employee: "B-but I have rights."
Wal-Mart Manager: "GET BACK TO WORK OR DIE!"
Wal-Mart Employee: "Are you insane? I qu
(Manager reaches for raygun)
Wal-Mart Manager: "YOU WERE WARNED!"
(Manager activates raygun)
Wal-Mart Employee: (sound similar to the original Star Trek phaser set
on kill sound effect)
Wal-Mart Customer: "Jesus, did you see th
(Manager turns on customer)
Wal-Mart Customer: "Noo(sound similar to the, well, you know the
rest)

[...]

Yes. Wal-Mart is a slaughterhouse. Cohen's right. It's definitely the
beginning of the end.

Low prices, alien technology, bad attitudes.

--
Curt

Jason wrote:
[...]

re Body Fortress protein, creatine, and glutamine

I've purchased all those items at Wal-Mart, too. In fact, I've
purchased every item BF has to offer.

http://www.bodyfortress.com/

> I'm morally opposed to going to Wal-Mart,
> I didn't have much of a choice.
[...]

Save it. Either you're a liar or your morals aren't worth squat to
you.

> It's trademarked by Nutraceutical Corp.

Sweet. You can't get more impressive than combining the words
nutrition and pharmaceutical.

QUICK, WHERE DO I BUY THIS SCHTUFFF!!!??!!?

[...]

> First off, the protein that I have now is a
> LOT more expensive than Body Fortress.
> I give around $10 USD for a 5lb tub,

Ten bucks for five pounds? For Body Fortress? I paid $11.97USD for 2
pounds of their whey protein. Wtf?

> whereas Natural Sport was $20 for just
> over 1lb <snip> so it had better offer some
> remarkable results!
>
> I don't have the Body Fortress tub in front
> of me

I do.

> to compare with, but this is what
> Natural Sport says:
>
> Serving size: 36g (4 tablespoons)

30 grams for the BB serving size.

> Calories: 120

110

> Calories from fat: 10

15

> Total fat: 1g

1.5 g

> Saturated fat: 0g

0.5 g

> Trans fat: 0g

0 g

> Cholesterol: 15mg

25 mg

> Total Carbohydrate: 8g

2 g

> Dietary fiber: 1g

<1 g

> Sugars: <1g

1 g

> Protein: 23g

23 g

> Sodium (from whey protein): 120mg

55 mg

> FiberAid AG: 500mg
> (Larch Tree extract) (guaranteed 475mg arabinogalactan)
> Proprietary FOS Fiber Blend: 700mg
> (fructooligosaccharides, sprouted mung bean extract)

Those don't exist. I read it in PubMed. Those are listed under
imaginary and fictional substances. Honest.

[...]

> I mean, it DOES come from Wal-Mart,
> so for all I know it's 50% sand and ash!

It's people. Soylent Green is, er, I mean, Body Fortress is PEOPLE!

[...]

> So what do you guys think?

IT'S PEOPLE!!!!!

> Am I wasting money here,
[...]

But, yes, you're wasting your money.

> Jason

Whatever happened to Jason Earl? (

Oh. Never mind. Body Fortress and Wal-Mart got him. Damn. He was a
good man, too.

--
Curt

"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> schreef:

>>I noticed that YOU Americans have build your Country by exploiting
>>foreigners. Thats bad.

> Oh, bite me, dutchboy. Put on your wooden shoes and go plug a dyke.

If YOU Americans will continue to exhaust such huge amounts of CO2 then we
need bigger dikes.

Just like New Orleans.

BTW, as we speak, Dutch engineers are working on dikes that will
aotomatically adjust to sea-level.

--
Pete

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:43:20 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> schreef:
>
>>>I noticed that YOU Americans have build your Country by exploiting
>>>foreigners. Thats bad.
>
>> Oh, bite me, dutchboy. Put on your wooden shoes and go plug a dyke.
>
>If YOU Americans will continue to exhaust such huge amounts of CO2 then we
>need bigger dikes.
>
>Just like New Orleans.
>
>BTW, as we speak, Dutch engineers are working on dikes that will
>aotomatically adjust to sea-level.

Hey Pete I was reading this magazine while I was getting my muffler
fixed on my car. There was an article about people in Holland riding
bikes everywhere. They had a picture of this huge row of bikes.
Look something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A...am_bicycle.jpg

I guess you guys prefer the sissy looking bikes. The article didn't
say anything about theft but while I just checked the wikipedia I
found this:
"There are about 700,000 bicycles in the city. Each year, about 80,000
of them are stolen and 25,000 end up in the canals. "

I am afraid of being hit by a car if I ride one in America. People
think they can use cell phones and TVs while driving when they are bad
enough drivers without those things. I am even starting to fear just
driving a small car. I see this giant SUV's smash them to pieces all
the time.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, Shute wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:43:20 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> "JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> schreef:
>>
>>>> I noticed that YOU Americans have build your Country by exploiting
>>>> foreigners. Thats bad.
>>
>>> Oh, bite me, dutchboy. Put on your wooden shoes and go plug a dyke.
>>
>> If YOU Americans will continue to exhaust such huge amounts of CO2 then we
>> need bigger dikes.
>>
>> Just like New Orleans.
>>
>> BTW, as we speak, Dutch engineers are working on dikes that will
>> aotomatically adjust to sea-level.
>
> Hey Pete I was reading this magazine while I was getting my muffler
> fixed on my car. There was an article about people in Holland riding
> bikes everywhere. They had a picture of this huge row of bikes.
> Look something like this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A...am_bicycle.jpg
>
> I guess you guys prefer the sissy looking bikes. The article didn't
> say anything about theft but while I just checked the wikipedia I
> found this:
> "There are about 700,000 bicycles in the city. Each year, about 80,000
> of them are stolen and 25,000 end up in the canals. "
>
> I am afraid of being hit by a car if I ride one in America. People
> think they can use cell phones and TVs while driving when they are bad
> enough drivers without those things. I am even starting to fear just
> driving a small car. I see this giant SUV's smash them to pieces all
> the time.

Davis is supposed to be one of the most bike friendly cities in the
country and I can't tell you how many times I've almost been hit here.
Fortunately the only accidents I've had so far were with skinny little
Asian kids who were also on bikes. It's like throwing a bowling ball
kitten.

--Sir Jackery

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:

>>BTW, as we speak, Dutch engineers are working on dikes that will
>>aotomatically adjust to sea-level.

> Hey Pete I was reading this magazine while I was getting my muffler
> fixed on my car. There was an article about people in Holland riding
> bikes everywhere. They had a picture of this huge row of bikes.
> Look something like this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A...am_bicycle.jpg

Oh, i have seen worse, much worse.

Literally thousands of bikes packed together.

> I guess you guys prefer the sissy looking bikes.

Mountain bikes are in voque for the last 15 years or so.
I prefer a racing bike, a la Tour de France.

>The article didn't
> say anything about theft but while I just checked the wikipedia I
> found this:
> "There are about 700,000 bicycles in the city. Each year, about 80,000
> of them are stolen and 25,000 end up in the canals. "

I think the real numbers are even higher.

Most people dont report the bike as stolen, since the Police will only laugh
at you.
http://www.geocities.com/stevenedw/g...rbikeaway.html

Its not even considered theft anymore.

> I am afraid of being hit by a car if I ride one in America. People
> think they can use cell phones and TVs while driving when they are bad
> enough drivers without those things. I am even starting to fear just
> driving a small car. I see this giant SUV's smash them to pieces all
> the time.

Yeah, those SUVs are getting popular here as well. But you dont have to
worry about getting hit by a car if you ride a bike. We have seperate
bicycle lanes.

http://www.geocities.com/stevenedw/bicycles.html

--
Pete

In news:svtlu2djmqif2d9a2n43isrejp67e6vu7m@4ax.com,
Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> typed:
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:43:20 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> "JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> schreef:
>>
>>>> I noticed that YOU Americans have build your Country by exploiting
>>>> foreigners. Thats bad.
>>
>>> Oh, bite me, dutchboy. Put on your wooden shoes and go plug a dyke.
>>
>> If YOU Americans will continue to exhaust such huge amounts of CO2
>> then we need bigger dikes.
>>
>> Just like New Orleans.
>>
>> BTW, as we speak, Dutch engineers are working on dikes that will
>> aotomatically adjust to sea-level.
>
> Hey Pete I was reading this magazine while I was getting my muffler
> fixed on my car. There was an article about people in Holland riding
> bikes everywhere. They had a picture of this huge row of bikes.
> Look something like this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A...am_bicycle.jpg
>
> I guess you guys prefer the sissy looking bikes. The article didn't
> say anything about theft but while I just checked the wikipedia I
> found this:
> "There are about 700,000 bicycles in the city. Each year, about 80,000
> of them are stolen and 25,000 end up in the canals. "
>
> I am afraid of being hit by a car if I ride one in America. People
> think they can use cell phones and TVs

I would have thought the major problem would have been with people eating?!?
We've just passed a law [or whatever it is we do] over here making it an
offence to use a mobile whilst driving. Offenders will be given 3 points on
their licence and fined £60. However, this has brought about a new hazard.
It's the "ohmigod I have to stop right here and answer my mobile without
giving any thought to any of the drivers around me" type of hazard!!!

> while driving when they are bad
> enough drivers without those things. I am even starting to fear just
> driving a small car. I see this giant SUV's smash them to pieces all
> the time.



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>> I am afraid of being hit by a car if I ride one in America. People
>> think they can use cell phones and TVs

> I would have thought the major problem would have been with people
> eating?!?

Hehe...
The Americans are shoving burgers down their throat while driving.

> We've just passed a law [or whatever it is we do] over here making it an
> offence to use a mobile whilst driving.

We allready have that here.
You can use it with a so called car-kit

> Offenders will be given 3 points on their licence and fined £60. However,
> this has brought about a new hazard. It's the "ohmigod I have to stop
> right here and answer my mobile without giving any thought to any of the
> drivers around me" type of hazard!!!

About those cell-phones...

I threw mine away 5 years ago. If someone insist he has to speak to me,
he/she/it can;

1) Come to my house.
2) Call me on my land-line.
3) Come to the gym, and if i am not present, leave a message.
4) Send an E-mail.
5) Ask my girlfriend to pass on the message.

Sometimes i call certain organizations, and they always ask your
mobile-number. When i say say them i dont have it i get this "oh, OH!" as if
i am a retard.

People here dont just have one cell-phone, they have 2-3. That is, from the
age of 15 and up.

--
Pete

Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703030809090.9479@pc30.cs.ucda vis.edu...
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007, Jason wrote:
>
>> I barely know where to begin with this one!
>>
>> For the last several months, I've been using Body Fortress protein,
>> creatine, and glutamine (Wal-Mart special). I live in a small town,
>> and this was quite literally my only local option, so even though I'm
>> morally opposed to going to Wal-Mart, I didn't have much of a choice.
>>
>> Well, one of my clients owns a health food store (mainly carries fresh
>> groceries, soy milk, and some supplements like Lysine and
>> Glucosamine), and after hearing my complaints ordered some stuff for
>> me to try out. The brand he ordered is called "Natural Sport;" I've
>> never heard of it, but his only other option was Twin Labs pills (and
>> I specifically requested powder). It's trademarked by Nutraceutical
>> Corp.
>>
>> I haven't tried the creatine yet, so I'll post on that one later (it
>> has a few other mixes, so it's not just creatine monohydrate).
>>
>> First off, the protein that I have now is a LOT more expensive than
>> Body Fortress. I give around $10 USD for a 5lb tub, whereas Natural
>> Sport was $20 for just over 1lb (17.6oz, or 498g). So, we're talking a
>> whopping ten times the price, so it had better offer some remarkable
>> results!
>>
>> I don't have the Body Fortress tub in front of me to compare with, but
>> this is what Natural Sport says:
>>
>> Serving size: 36g (4 tablespoons)
>> Calories: 120
>> Calories from fat: 10
>>
>> Total fat: 1g
>> Saturated fat: 0g
>> Trans fat: 0g
>>
>> Cholesterol: 15mg
>>
>> Total Carbohydrate: 8g
>> Dietary fiber: 1g
>> Sugars: <1g
>>
>> Protein: 23g
>>
>> Sodium (from whey protein): 120mg
>>
>> FiberAid AG: 500mg
>> (Larch Tree extract) (guaranteed 475mg arabinogalactan)
>>
>> Proprietary FOS Fiber Blend: 700mg
>> (fructooligosaccharides, sprouted mung bean extract)
>>
>>
>> I have to admit that I have felt absolutely no impact from the Body
>> Fortress protein, so I've been wondering just how legitimate the RDA
>> information is on it. I mean, it DOES come from Wal-Mart, so for all I
>> know it's 50% sand and ash! LOL But at the same time, at the rate I'm
>> going I'll have to spend $240 on this new protein over the next 2 or 3
>> months, just to see if it makes any more of a difference.
>>
>> So what do you guys think? Am I wasting money here, or is this really
>> a better quality product?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Jason
>
> I wouldn't buy the new protein. When I did supplement protein I used
> products that didn't contain too many extra calories. If you want a good
> quality protein look for one that has as close to 4 calories per gram of
> protein that you can find.

All proteins have 4 calories/gram. That is like saying you want to find fats
with 9 cal/gram.


If you choose whey, look for proteins that have
> been isolated, not filtered. Hydrolyzed whey proteins have already been
> partially digested and permeate through the membrane in your small
> intestine without any stomach processing. Hmmm... I guess this means you
> could eat this stuff backwards if you wanted to. Would that make you shit
> out your mouth though?


Isolates may be superior, but they are not really necessary unless you are
lactose intolerant.

>
>
> If you settle for regular whey proteins you might as well just buy the
> powdered milk, as someone else has advised you already.
>
>
> --Sir Jackery

You are making a far too broad of a statement there.




--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/


"

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Hard Bop Drums wrote:

> Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703030809090.9479@pc30.cs.ucda vis.edu...
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007, Jason wrote:
>>
>>> I barely know where to begin with this one!
>>>
>>> For the last several months, I've been using Body Fortress protein,
>>> creatine, and glutamine (Wal-Mart special). I live in a small town,
>>> and this was quite literally my only local option, so even though I'm
>>> morally opposed to going to Wal-Mart, I didn't have much of a choice.
>>>
>>> Well, one of my clients owns a health food store (mainly carries fresh
>>> groceries, soy milk, and some supplements like Lysine and
>>> Glucosamine), and after hearing my complaints ordered some stuff for
>>> me to try out. The brand he ordered is called "Natural Sport;" I've
>>> never heard of it, but his only other option was Twin Labs pills (and
>>> I specifically requested powder). It's trademarked by Nutraceutical
>>> Corp.
>>>
>>> I haven't tried the creatine yet, so I'll post on that one later (it
>>> has a few other mixes, so it's not just creatine monohydrate).
>>>
>>> First off, the protein that I have now is a LOT more expensive than
>>> Body Fortress. I give around $10 USD for a 5lb tub, whereas Natural
>>> Sport was $20 for just over 1lb (17.6oz, or 498g). So, we're talking a
>>> whopping ten times the price, so it had better offer some remarkable
>>> results!
>>>
>>> I don't have the Body Fortress tub in front of me to compare with, but
>>> this is what Natural Sport says:
>>>
>>> Serving size: 36g (4 tablespoons)
>>> Calories: 120
>>> Calories from fat: 10
>>>
>>> Total fat: 1g
>>> Saturated fat: 0g
>>> Trans fat: 0g
>>>
>>> Cholesterol: 15mg
>>>
>>> Total Carbohydrate: 8g
>>> Dietary fiber: 1g
>>> Sugars: <1g
>>>
>>> Protein: 23g
>>>
>>> Sodium (from whey protein): 120mg
>>>
>>> FiberAid AG: 500mg
>>> (Larch Tree extract) (guaranteed 475mg arabinogalactan)
>>>
>>> Proprietary FOS Fiber Blend: 700mg
>>> (fructooligosaccharides, sprouted mung bean extract)
>>>
>>>
>>> I have to admit that I have felt absolutely no impact from the Body
>>> Fortress protein, so I've been wondering just how legitimate the RDA
>>> information is on it. I mean, it DOES come from Wal-Mart, so for all I
>>> know it's 50% sand and ash! LOL But at the same time, at the rate I'm
>>> going I'll have to spend $240 on this new protein over the next 2 or 3
>>> months, just to see if it makes any more of a difference.
>>>
>>> So what do you guys think? Am I wasting money here, or is this really
>>> a better quality product?
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Jason
>>
>> I wouldn't buy the new protein. When I did supplement protein I used
>> products that didn't contain too many extra calories. If you want a good
>> quality protein look for one that has as close to 4 calories per gram of
>> protein that you can find.
>
> All proteins have 4 calories/gram. That is like saying you want to find fats
> with 9 cal/gram.

As close to 4 calories per gram/protein. In other words, all the calories
should be from protein, not fats/sugar. Protein shakes are a nasty quick
delivery system for protein. I'll save my calories from fats and sugars
for tasty foods like ice cream and cake (-:

>
>
> If you choose whey, look for proteins that have
>> been isolated, not filtered. Hydrolyzed whey proteins have already been
>> partially digested and permeate through the membrane in your small
>> intestine without any stomach processing. Hmmm... I guess this means you
>> could eat this stuff backwards if you wanted to. Would that make you shit
>> out your mouth though?
>
>
> Isolates may be superior, but they are not really necessary unless you are
> lactose intolerant.

Isolates contain fewer calories per gram of protein because they eliminate
more milkfat. They are necessary if you are concerned with the amount of
calories you are consuming, not just lactose intolerance.

>
>>
>>
>> If you settle for regular whey proteins you might as well just buy the
>> powdered milk, as someone else has advised you already.
>>
>>
>> --Sir Jackery
>
> You are making a far too broad of a statement there.

Yeah, you're right there. Perhaps I should have said if you settle for
regular whey proteins you obviously don't really care about choosing an
ideal selection.


--Sir Jackery

Sir Jackery wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Hard Bop Drums wrote:
>
>> Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703030809090.9479@pc30.cs.ucda vis.edu...
>>
>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007, Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>> I barely know where to begin with this one!
>>>>
>>>> For the last several months, I've been using Body Fortress protein,
>>>> creatine, and glutamine (Wal-Mart special). I live in a small town,
>>>> and this was quite literally my only local option, so even though I'm
>>>> morally opposed to going to Wal-Mart, I didn't have much of a choice.
>>>>
>>>> Well, one of my clients owns a health food store (mainly carries fresh
>>>> groceries, soy milk, and some supplements like Lysine and
>>>> Glucosamine), and after hearing my complaints ordered some stuff for
>>>> me to try out. The brand he ordered is called "Natural Sport;" I've
>>>> never heard of it, but his only other option was Twin Labs pills (and
>>>> I specifically requested powder). It's trademarked by Nutraceutical
>>>> Corp.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't tried the creatine yet, so I'll post on that one later (it
>>>> has a few other mixes, so it's not just creatine monohydrate).
>>>>
>>>> First off, the protein that I have now is a LOT more expensive than
>>>> Body Fortress. I give around $10 USD for a 5lb tub, whereas Natural
>>>> Sport was $20 for just over 1lb (17.6oz, or 498g). So, we're talking a
>>>> whopping ten times the price, so it had better offer some remarkable
>>>> results!
>>>>
>>>> I don't have the Body Fortress tub in front of me to compare with, but
>>>> this is what Natural Sport says:
>>>>
>>>> Serving size: 36g (4 tablespoons)
>>>> Calories: 120
>>>> Calories from fat: 10
>>>>
>>>> Total fat: 1g
>>>> Saturated fat: 0g
>>>> Trans fat: 0g
>>>>
>>>> Cholesterol: 15mg
>>>>
>>>> Total Carbohydrate: 8g
>>>> Dietary fiber: 1g
>>>> Sugars: <1g
>>>>
>>>> Protein: 23g
>>>>
>>>> Sodium (from whey protein): 120mg
>>>>
>>>> FiberAid AG: 500mg
>>>> (Larch Tree extract) (guaranteed 475mg arabinogalactan)
>>>>
>>>> Proprietary FOS Fiber Blend: 700mg
>>>> (fructooligosaccharides, sprouted mung bean extract)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have to admit that I have felt absolutely no impact from the Body
>>>> Fortress protein, so I've been wondering just how legitimate the RDA
>>>> information is on it. I mean, it DOES come from Wal-Mart, so for all I
>>>> know it's 50% sand and ash! LOL But at the same time, at the rate I'm
>>>> going I'll have to spend $240 on this new protein over the next 2 or 3
>>>> months, just to see if it makes any more of a difference.
>>>>
>>>> So what do you guys think? Am I wasting money here, or is this really
>>>> a better quality product?
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't buy the new protein. When I did supplement protein I used
>>> products that didn't contain too many extra calories. If you want a
>>> good
>>> quality protein look for one that has as close to 4 calories per
>>> gram of
>>> protein that you can find.
>>
>>
>> All proteins have 4 calories/gram. That is like saying you want to
>> find fats
>> with 9 cal/gram.
>
>
> As close to 4 calories per gram/protein. In other words, all the
> calories should be from protein, not fats/sugar. Protein shakes are a
> nasty quick delivery system for protein.

If you use a product that has Casein and Albumin along with Whey, it
will spread out the uptake for longer.

> I'll save my calories from fats and sugars for tasty foods like ice
> cream and cake (-:

It is odd, but once I get into the "dieting" mindset, I really have no
desire for crappy foods. I think it has to do with being older now. :-)

>
>>
>>
>> If you choose whey, look for proteins that have
>>
>>> been isolated, not filtered. Hydrolyzed whey proteins have already been
>>> partially digested and permeate through the membrane in your small
>>> intestine without any stomach processing. Hmmm... I guess this means
>>> you
>>> could eat this stuff backwards if you wanted to. Would that make you
>>> shit
>>> out your mouth though?
>>
>>
>>
>> Isolates may be superior, but they are not really necessary unless
>> you are
>> lactose intolerant.
>
>
> Isolates contain fewer calories per gram of protein because they
> eliminate more milkfat. They are necessary if you are concerned with
> the amount of calories you are consuming, not just lactose intolerance.

I see what you are saying now. I thought you were saying that some
proteins has more or less calories than others in their separate forms.

>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you settle for regular whey proteins you might as well just buy the
>>> powdered milk, as someone else has advised you already.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Sir Jackery
>>
>>
>> You are making a far too broad of a statement there.
>
>
> Yeah, you're right there. Perhaps I should have said if you settle for
> regular whey proteins you obviously don't really care about choosing
> an ideal selection.
>
>
> --Sir Jackery

Right now, I am more than pleased with using Designer Whey right now. A
few grams of fat/serving is not going to kill me and the price is right. :-)

--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Robert Schuh wrote:

> Sir Jackery wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Hard Bop Drums wrote:
>>
>>> Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0703030809090.9479@pc30.cs.ucda vis.edu...
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007, Jason wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I barely know where to begin with this one!
>>>>>
>>>>> For the last several months, I've been using Body Fortress protein,
>>>>> creatine, and glutamine (Wal-Mart special). I live in a small town,
>>>>> and this was quite literally my only local option, so even though I'm
>>>>> morally opposed to going to Wal-Mart, I didn't have much of a choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, one of my clients owns a health food store (mainly carries fresh
>>>>> groceries, soy milk, and some supplements like Lysine and
>>>>> Glucosamine), and after hearing my complaints ordered some stuff for
>>>>> me to try out. The brand he ordered is called "Natural Sport;" I've
>>>>> never heard of it, but his only other option was Twin Labs pills (and
>>>>> I specifically requested powder). It's trademarked by Nutraceutical
>>>>> Corp.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't tried the creatine yet, so I'll post on that one later (it
>>>>> has a few other mixes, so it's not just creatine monohydrate).
>>>>>
>>>>> First off, the protein that I have now is a LOT more expensive than
>>>>> Body Fortress. I give around $10 USD for a 5lb tub, whereas Natural
>>>>> Sport was $20 for just over 1lb (17.6oz, or 498g). So, we're talking a
>>>>> whopping ten times the price, so it had better offer some remarkable
>>>>> results!
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have the Body Fortress tub in front of me to compare with, but
>>>>> this is what Natural Sport says:
>>>>>
>>>>> Serving size: 36g (4 tablespoons)
>>>>> Calories: 120
>>>>> Calories from fat: 10
>>>>>
>>>>> Total fat: 1g
>>>>> Saturated fat: 0g
>>>>> Trans fat: 0g
>>>>>
>>>>> Cholesterol: 15mg
>>>>>
>>>>> Total Carbohydrate: 8g
>>>>> Dietary fiber: 1g
>>>>> Sugars: <1g
>>>>>
>>>>> Protein: 23g
>>>>>
>>>>> Sodium (from whey protein): 120mg
>>>>>
>>>>> FiberAid AG: 500mg
>>>>> (Larch Tree extract) (guaranteed 475mg arabinogalactan)
>>>>>
>>>>> Proprietary FOS Fiber Blend: 700mg
>>>>> (fructooligosaccharides, sprouted mung bean extract)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to admit that I have felt absolutely no impact from the Body
>>>>> Fortress protein, so I've been wondering just how legitimate the RDA
>>>>> information is on it. I mean, it DOES come from Wal-Mart, so for all I
>>>>> know it's 50% sand and ash! LOL But at the same time, at the rate I'm
>>>>> going I'll have to spend $240 on this new protein over the next 2 or 3
>>>>> months, just to see if it makes any more of a difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what do you guys think? Am I wasting money here, or is this really
>>>>> a better quality product?
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't buy the new protein. When I did supplement protein I used
>>>> products that didn't contain too many extra calories. If you want a good
>>>> quality protein look for one that has as close to 4 calories per gram of
>>>> protein that you can find.
>>>
>>>
>>> All proteins have 4 calories/gram. That is like saying you want to find
>>> fats
>>> with 9 cal/gram.
>>
>>
>> As close to 4 calories per gram/protein. In other words, all the calories
>> should be from protein, not fats/sugar. Protein shakes are a nasty quick
>> delivery system for protein.
>
> If you use a product that has Casein and Albumin along with Whey, it will
> spread out the uptake for longer.

Checkout stallones protein pudding, it's like all calcium caseinate if
IIRC. Also great to cool down ones mouth after eating food that is too
spicy (does such a food exist?).

--Sir Jackery

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:54:42 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:
>
>>>BTW, as we speak, Dutch engineers are working on dikes that will
>>>aotomatically adjust to sea-level.
>
>> Hey Pete I was reading this magazine while I was getting my muffler
>> fixed on my car. There was an article about people in Holland riding
>> bikes everywhere. They had a picture of this huge row of bikes.
>> Look something like this:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A...am_bicycle.jpg
>
>Oh, i have seen worse, much worse.
>
>Literally thousands of bikes packed together.
>
>> I guess you guys prefer the sissy looking bikes.
>
>Mountain bikes are in voque for the last 15 years or so.
>I prefer a racing bike, a la Tour de France.

We haven't rode bikes like the picture I showed since the 70's. And
even then they where accessorized to look a little cooler. I am sure
the racing bikes are fine. I wouldn't want to spend too much money if
the risk of theft is high but I would want something half decent.

>>The article didn't
>> say anything about theft but while I just checked the wikipedia I
>> found this:
>> "There are about 700,000 bicycles in the city. Each year, about 80,000
>> of them are stolen and 25,000 end up in the canals. "
>
>I think the real numbers are even higher.
>
>Most people dont report the bike as stolen, since the Police will only laugh
>at you.
>http://www.geocities.com/stevenedw/g...rbikeaway.html
>
>Its not even considered theft anymore.

Sounds like you need a registry type system. American vehicles have
identification numbers. These are usually on the dashboard but are
also in many other places on a car. They used them once to locate a
man who tried to blow up the World Trade Center with a rental. They
caught him trying to get his deposit back. This wouldn't stop the
pros but it would minimize the amateurs from stealing. It sounds so
bad right now that people must figure why bother buying a new one lets
just steal one.

>> I am afraid of being hit by a car if I ride one in America. People
>> think they can use cell phones and TVs while driving when they are bad
>> enough drivers without those things. I am even starting to fear just
>> driving a small car. I see this giant SUV's smash them to pieces all
>> the time.
>
>Yeah, those SUVs are getting popular here as well. But you dont have to
>worry about getting hit by a car if you ride a bike. We have seperate
>bicycle lanes.
>
>http://www.geocities.com/stevenedw/bicycles.html

Yeah that was the focal point of the article. We really need
government encouragement of alternate forms of transportation.

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:42:58 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>>> I am afraid of being hit by a car if I ride one in America. People
>>> think they can use cell phones and TVs
>
>> I would have thought the major problem would have been with people
>> eating?!?
>
>Hehe...
>The Americans are shoving burgers down their throat while driving.
>
>> We've just passed a law [or whatever it is we do] over here making it an
>> offence to use a mobile whilst driving.
>
>We allready have that here.
>You can use it with a so called car-kit
>
>> Offenders will be given 3 points on their licence and fined £60. However,
>> this has brought about a new hazard. It's the "ohmigod I have to stop
>> right here and answer my mobile without giving any thought to any of the
>> drivers ar