A very interesting Creatine site

http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/creatineR108.html

For starters, this post is not about dogging creatine.
This site is as interesting as a site, as it is on creatine. A very
interesting read.

It's kind of like a Wikipedia of supplements, a free-for-all feedback on a
given supplement.
iow, *anecdotal reporting* at its apparent best.
Altho it is possible these responses could be filtered/stacked/manipulated,
they seem genuine, and span the spectrum of personal experience w/ creatine,
from being the greatest, to useless, to mixed, to disastrous, to being a
medical miracle.

Regarding creatine, there seems to be *hundreds* of reports, w/ occasional
responses to those reports.
Some of the reports seem silly, but the majority seem genuine, even
compelling. A few people insist on playing scientist (say
whaaaaaaaat?????), but the majority are just interesting accounts of
experiences.

One of the more interesting ones concerns a woman who *cured her
fibromyalgia* with creatine!
Fibormyalgia is a miserable miserable condition to be stuck with, considered
incurable, altho it can be managed, if you're lucky, w/ traditional
medicine--and morphine.
And there is a large body of research on creatine in a variety *medicinal
therapeutic capacities*, a number of these studies on fibromyalgia. Seems
promising on a number of fronts.

And vegetarians, for example, seem to do well with creatine supps.

A couple cite pretty interesting adverse effects, one being mood swings,
which the poster tested in a number of contexts, concluding that the effect
was quite pronounced, and definitely from creatine.
A couple of cites chronicle some weird effects on the heart, etc.

I would say the distinct majority of the responses characterize creatine as
being problematic, but that's to be expected, as statistically people will
bitch more than they will praise.

Is this science? No.
But is science still science? As opposed to a high-tech dog-and-pony show?
Hmmm.....

But I am a big believer in properly-assessed (ie, gathered) anecdotal
evidence.
In fact, one could view many epidemiological studies as a sort of hybrid
between the anecdotal ("formalized anecdotal"?) and hard science.

(Ir)Regardless, I think many here will find this site *very* interesting, a
very good read.
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In article <Q3Vah.107$QB1.11@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
<entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:



> One of the more interesting ones concerns a woman who *cured her
> fibromyalgia* with creatine!

Did I not already post it may improve this condition? What I wrote in an
article years ago:

"Because of creatine's apparent abilities to improve the symptoms of other
pathologies involving a lack of high energy compounds (e.g., congestive
heart failure, etc.) as well as the aforementioned afflictions outlined in
the introduction to this article, it has been suggested that creatine may
help with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia (some researchers now
posit that they are in fact the same syndrome). Although the causes of
both pathologies is still being debated, a lack of high energy compounds
(e.g. ATP) at the level of the mitochondria and general muscle weakness
exists. For example, people with fibromyalgia have lower levels of
creatine phosphate and ATP levels compared to controls."

Cont:

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=19


> And there is a large body of research on creatine in a variety *medicinal
> therapeutic capacities*,

And did I not already tell you that also? Did I not list the conditions
that may benefit from creatine? Shall I list them for you yet again? Here
goes:

" A substantial body of research that found creatine may help with
diseases effecting the neuro muscular system, such as muscular dystrophy
and may have therapeutic applications in aging populations, wasting
syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, myopathies, Parkinson's disease,
Huntington's disease and other mitochondrial cytopathies. Several studies
have shown it may reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and has been used to
correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as people born without
the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine."

and

"In this article, we examine some additional properties of creatine, such
as its effects on growth hormone release, homocysteine and chronic fatigue
syndrome, as well as other important issues surrounding this supplement,
such as its safety."

We now have three things we know you suck at: basic science, reasoning
power, and now, reading comprehension.

Cont:

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=24

Well, lessee, I'm sure you are *just* the person to help me out with my
reading comprehension problems:
Lessee, then you must have, amongst all your recent diatribe (curt),
MENTIONED all this??
Can you show me where?
I don't seem to remember reading anything from you except name calling.

Was *I* sposed to actually visit *your* site??????
Gee, why don't we do Brunch sometime?

You said, and if I must I"ll find it, there are NO adverse reactions to
creatine.
You said that Kreider said there are no adverse reactions to creatine.
Kreider documents such in a 2002 paper. Amongst others.

Since you must be impressed with a site that cites personal successes w/
creatine as a medicine, then you must also be struck by the *litany* of
negative effects in that same site.

*Now* you say creatine has powerful pharmacologic effects.
Which makes your "no adverse reaction" stance even more absurd.
Any agent as powerful as this can't be used willy-nilly by the public.

For example, on that site, creatine was attributed to causing *seriious*
heart problems, AND *helping* w/ a number of conditions, including heart
conditions. It was amazing.
EVERYBODY should read this site. It is actually very interesting reading--I
was clicking away for a few hours.

My stance was oh-so simple: not that creatine is bogus, shit, poison, or
whatever.
Simply that there is a more-than-random incidence of adverse reactions,
which is likely a statistical no-brainer, even a truism.
You have fought this tooth and nail.

And in the process, you have discredited yourself.
Which is unfortunate, because instead of all this juvenile bullshit, real
education could be occuring here.
You choose the old mfw way.

Your quote below, as usual, omits interesting observations, because, well,
you only cite, you don't observe or explain, because, well, never mind.....

We know creatine is utilized in the muscle, apparently as a pre-glycolytic
energy source.
No one EVER mentioned a role in the mitochondria.
You can't just willy-nilly suggest that Oh, creatine balances ATP energy
problems in the mitochondria. You need to provide context. Not to do so
implies you don't know anything about mitochondrial structure, function,
transport, etc. Or basic biology.
But, it's interesting nonetheless.
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"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:willbrink-2811060945320001@192.168.2.156...
> In article <Q3Vah.107$QB1.11@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> One of the more interesting ones concerns a woman who *cured her
>> fibromyalgia* with creatine!
>
> Did I not already post it may improve this condition? What I wrote in an
> article years ago:
>
> "Because of creatine's apparent abilities to improve the symptoms of other
> pathologies involving a lack of high energy compounds (e.g., congestive
> heart failure, etc.) as well as the aforementioned afflictions outlined in
> the introduction to this article, it has been suggested that creatine may
> help with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia (some researchers now
> posit that they are in fact the same syndrome). Although the causes of
> both pathologies is still being debated, a lack of high energy compounds
> (e.g. ATP) at the level of the mitochondria and general muscle weakness
> exists. For example, people with fibromyalgia have lower levels of
> creatine phosphate and ATP levels compared to controls."
>
> Cont:
>
> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=19
>
>
>> And there is a large body of research on creatine in a variety *medicinal
>> therapeutic capacities*,
>
> And did I not already tell you that also? Did I not list the conditions
> that may benefit from creatine? Shall I list them for you yet again? Here
> goes:
>
> " A substantial body of research that found creatine may help with
> diseases effecting the neuro muscular system, such as muscular dystrophy
> and may have therapeutic applications in aging populations, wasting
> syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, myopathies, Parkinson's disease,
> Huntington's disease and other mitochondrial cytopathies. Several studies
> have shown it may reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and has been used to
> correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as people born without
> the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine."
>
> and
>
> "In this article, we examine some additional properties of creatine, such
> as its effects on growth hormone release, homocysteine and chronic fatigue
> syndrome, as well as other important issues surrounding this supplement,
> such as its safety."
>
> We now have three things we know you suck at: basic science, reasoning
> power, and now, reading comprehension.
>
> Cont:
>
> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=24
>

In article <Pk0bh.7$u36.6@newsfe11.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
<entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:

> Well, lessee, I'm sure you are *just* the person to help me out with my
> reading comprehension problems:

No I am not.

> Lessee, then you must have, amongst all your recent diatribe (curt),
> MENTIONED all this??
> Can you show me where?
> I don't seem to remember reading anything from you except name calling.

Yes, you do an amazing job of self selecting what you see.

>
> Was *I* sposed to actually visit *your* site??????
> Gee, why don't we do Brunch sometime?

Could we? That would be peachy.

>
> You said, and if I must I"ll find it, there are NO adverse reactions to
> creatine.
> You said that Kreider said there are no adverse reactions to creatine.
> Kreider documents such in a 2002 paper. Amongst others.

See my comments on your reading comprehension issues.

>
> Since you must be impressed with a site that cites personal successes w/
> creatine as a medicine,

Um no goofus, that was you. Do we need to add poor memory to your lists of
things you lack?

>then you must also be struck by the *litany* of
> negative effects in that same site.

Nope.

>
> *Now* you say creatine has powerful pharmacologic effects.

I have been saying it for years and said it in the "creatine notes" thread
you started. Are you on some meds or something? There really is something
wrong with you. I don't even think you are trolling at this point.

> Which makes your "no adverse reaction" stance even more absurd.

I said the benefits outweigh the risks, not that there are no risks. It's
due to your lack of even basic science knowledge that is causing you so
much trouble and confusion.

> Any agent as powerful as this can't be used willy-nilly by the public.

You are as stupid as a blender.

>
> For example, on that site, creatine was attributed to causing *seriious*
> heart problems, AND *helping* w/ a number of conditions, including heart
> conditions. It was amazing.

To the ignorant perhaps. Not so amazing for me.

> EVERYBODY should read this site. It is actually very interesting reading--I
> was clicking away for a few hours.

Knock yourself out sparky.

>
> My stance was oh-so simple:

Not as simple as you are, I promise.

> not that creatine is bogus, shit, poison, or
> whatever.
> Simply that there is a more-than-random incidence of adverse reactions,
> which is likely a statistical no-brainer, even a truism.


Again, more proof you don't understand even the basics of the science or
basic methodology of research.

> You have fought this tooth and nail.

Wrong yet again.

>
> And in the process, you have discredited yourself.
> Which is unfortunate, because instead of all this juvenile bullshit, real
> education could be occuring here.

If you learned to read and listen, yes it could. Instead you chose to
argue with me over a topic you know zip about.

Random babble snipped.

What do you think the transport mechanism of creatine into the mitochondria
might be?
What do you think creatine does in the mitochondria when/if it gets there?

Did you read the creatine feedback on that site?
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"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:willbrink-2811061710000001@192.168.2.156...
> In article <Pk0bh.7$u36.6@newsfe11.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, lessee, I'm sure you are *just* the person to help me out with my
>> reading comprehension problems:
>
> No I am not.
>
>> Lessee, then you must have, amongst all your recent diatribe (curt),
>> MENTIONED all this??
>> Can you show me where?
>> I don't seem to remember reading anything from you except name calling.
>
> Yes, you do an amazing job of self selecting what you see.
>
>>
>> Was *I* sposed to actually visit *your* site??????
>> Gee, why don't we do Brunch sometime?
>
> Could we? That would be peachy.
>
>>
>> You said, and if I must I"ll find it, there are NO adverse reactions to
>> creatine.
>> You said that Kreider said there are no adverse reactions to creatine.
>> Kreider documents such in a 2002 paper. Amongst others.
>
> See my comments on your reading comprehension issues.
>
>>
>> Since you must be impressed with a site that cites personal successes w/
>> creatine as a medicine,
>
> Um no goofus, that was you. Do we need to add poor memory to your lists of
> things you lack?
>
>>then you must also be struck by the *litany* of
>> negative effects in that same site.
>
> Nope.
>
>>
>> *Now* you say creatine has powerful pharmacologic effects.
>
> I have been saying it for years and said it in the "creatine notes" thread
> you started. Are you on some meds or something? There really is something
> wrong with you. I don't even think you are trolling at this point.
>
>> Which makes your "no adverse reaction" stance even more absurd.
>
> I said the benefits outweigh the risks, not that there are no risks. It's
> due to your lack of even basic science knowledge that is causing you so
> much trouble and confusion.
>
>> Any agent as powerful as this can't be used willy-nilly by the public.
>
> You are as stupid as a blender.
>
>>
>> For example, on that site, creatine was attributed to causing *seriious*
>> heart problems, AND *helping* w/ a number of conditions, including heart
>> conditions. It was amazing.
>
> To the ignorant perhaps. Not so amazing for me.
>
>> EVERYBODY should read this site. It is actually very interesting
>> reading--I
>> was clicking away for a few hours.
>
> Knock yourself out sparky.
>
>>
>> My stance was oh-so simple:
>
> Not as simple as you are, I promise.
>
>> not that creatine is bogus, shit, poison, or
>> whatever.
>> Simply that there is a more-than-random incidence of adverse reactions,
>> which is likely a statistical no-brainer, even a truism.
>
>
> Again, more proof you don't understand even the basics of the science or
> basic methodology of research.
>
>> You have fought this tooth and nail.
>
> Wrong yet again.
>
>>
>> And in the process, you have discredited yourself.
>> Which is unfortunate, because instead of all this juvenile bullshit, real
>> education could be occuring here.
>
> If you learned to read and listen, yes it could. Instead you chose to
> argue with me over a topic you know zip about.
>
> Random babble snipped.
>

Since you now acknowledge the risks, what might they be?
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"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:willbrink-2811061710000001@192.168.2.156...
> In article <Pk0bh.7$u36.6@newsfe11.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, lessee, I'm sure you are *just* the person to help me out with my
>> reading comprehension problems:
>
> No I am not.
>
>> Lessee, then you must have, amongst all your recent diatribe (curt),
>> MENTIONED all this??
>> Can you show me where?
>> I don't seem to remember reading anything from you except name calling.
>
> Yes, you do an amazing job of self selecting what you see.
>
>>
>> Was *I* sposed to actually visit *your* site??????
>> Gee, why don't we do Brunch sometime?
>
> Could we? That would be peachy.
>
>>
>> You said, and if I must I"ll find it, there are NO adverse reactions to
>> creatine.
>> You said that Kreider said there are no adverse reactions to creatine.
>> Kreider documents such in a 2002 paper. Amongst others.
>
> See my comments on your reading comprehension issues.
>
>>
>> Since you must be impressed with a site that cites personal successes w/
>> creatine as a medicine,
>
> Um no goofus, that was you. Do we need to add poor memory to your lists of
> things you lack?
>
>>then you must also be struck by the *litany* of
>> negative effects in that same site.
>
> Nope.
>
>>
>> *Now* you say creatine has powerful pharmacologic effects.
>
> I have been saying it for years and said it in the "creatine notes" thread
> you started. Are you on some meds or something? There really is something
> wrong with you. I don't even think you are trolling at this point.
>
>> Which makes your "no adverse reaction" stance even more absurd.
>
> I said the benefits outweigh the risks, not that there are no risks. It's
> due to your lack of even basic science knowledge that is causing you so
> much trouble and confusion.
>
>> Any agent as powerful as this can't be used willy-nilly by the public.
>
> You are as stupid as a blender.
>
>>
>> For example, on that site, creatine was attributed to causing *seriious*
>> heart problems, AND *helping* w/ a number of conditions, including heart
>> conditions. It was amazing.
>
> To the ignorant perhaps. Not so amazing for me.
>
>> EVERYBODY should read this site. It is actually very interesting
>> reading--I
>> was clicking away for a few hours.
>
> Knock yourself out sparky.
>
>>
>> My stance was oh-so simple:
>
> Not as simple as you are, I promise.
>
>> not that creatine is bogus, shit, poison, or
>> whatever.
>> Simply that there is a more-than-random incidence of adverse reactions,
>> which is likely a statistical no-brainer, even a truism.
>
>
> Again, more proof you don't understand even the basics of the science or
> basic methodology of research.
>
>> You have fought this tooth and nail.
>
> Wrong yet again.
>
>>
>> And in the process, you have discredited yourself.
>> Which is unfortunate, because instead of all this juvenile bullshit, real
>> education could be occuring here.
>
> If you learned to read and listen, yes it could. Instead you chose to
> argue with me over a topic you know zip about.
>
> Random babble snipped.
>

In article <6n3bh.316$tv6.132@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
<entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:

> Since you now acknowledge the risks, what might they be?

If you list the meds you are taking for your OCD and ADHD, I will consider
answering the question.

Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
> http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/creatineR108.html
>
> <snip />
>
> (Ir)Regardless, I think many here will find this site *very* interesting, a
> very good read.

"Few adverse effects of long-term creatine supplementation in a
placebo-controlled trial."
[Groeneveld GJ, Beijer C, Veldink JH, Kalmijn S, Wokke JH, van den Berg LH.]
Int J Sports Med. 2005 May;26(4):307-13]

"In this study, the researchers performed a double-blind,
placebo-controlled trial of creatine monohydrate, with patients taking
10 grams of creatine a day for a period of 310 days or a placebo. The
patients were questioned periodically and their plasma urea
concentrations and urinary creatine and albumin concentrations were
measured.

Groeneveld and coworkers found that there were no significant
differences in side effects between the group taking the creatine
monohydrate supplement compared to the group of people who were taking
the placebo.

Out of the almost 200 research subjects only 3 experienced side effects
like nausea and diarrhea which caused them to discontinue the use of
creatine. These side effects disappeared after creatine use was stopped.

Regarding metabolic factors, the long-term use of creatine supplement
did not increase the plasma urea levels or albumin levels."

More at:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/gastelu8.htm

"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:willbrink-2811060945320001@192.168.2.156...
> In article <Q3Vah.107$QB1.11@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> One of the more interesting ones concerns a woman who *cured her
>> fibromyalgia* with creatine!
>
> Did I not already post it may improve this condition? What I wrote in an
> article years ago:
>
> "Because of creatine's apparent abilities to improve the symptoms of other
> pathologies involving a lack of high energy compounds (e.g., congestive
> heart failure, etc.) as well as the aforementioned afflictions outlined in
> the introduction to this article, it has been suggested that creatine may
> help with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia (some researchers now
> posit that they are in fact the same syndrome). Although the causes of
> both pathologies is still being debated, a lack of high energy compounds
> (e.g. ATP) at the level of the mitochondria and general muscle weakness
> exists. For example, people with fibromyalgia have lower levels of
> creatine phosphate and ATP levels compared to controls."
>
> Cont:
>
> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=19
>
>
>> And there is a large body of research on creatine in a variety *medicinal
>> therapeutic capacities*,
>
> And did I not already tell you that also? Did I not list the conditions
> that may benefit from creatine? Shall I list them for you yet again? Here
> goes:
>
> " A substantial body of research that found creatine may help with
> diseases effecting the neuro muscular system, such as muscular dystrophy
> and may have therapeutic applications in aging populations, wasting
> syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, myopathies, Parkinson's disease,
> Huntington's disease and other mitochondrial cytopathies. Several studies
> have shown it may reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and has been used to
> correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as people born without
> the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine."
>
> and
>
> "In this article, we examine some additional properties of creatine, such
> as its effects on growth hormone release, homocysteine and chronic fatigue
> syndrome, as well as other important issues surrounding this supplement,
> such as its safety."
>
> We now have three things we know you suck at: basic science, reasoning
> power, and now, reading comprehension.

we also know of one thing that you suck at

>
> Cont:
>
> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=24

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:48:00 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:willbrink-2811060945320001@192.168.2.156...
>> In article <Q3Vah.107$QB1.11@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> One of the more interesting ones concerns a woman who *cured her
>>> fibromyalgia* with creatine!
>>
>> Did I not already post it may improve this condition? What I wrote in an
>> article years ago:
>>
>> "Because of creatine's apparent abilities to improve the symptoms of other
>> pathologies involving a lack of high energy compounds (e.g., congestive
>> heart failure, etc.) as well as the aforementioned afflictions outlined in
>> the introduction to this article, it has been suggested that creatine may
>> help with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia (some researchers now
>> posit that they are in fact the same syndrome). Although the causes of
>> both pathologies is still being debated, a lack of high energy compounds
>> (e.g. ATP) at the level of the mitochondria and general muscle weakness
>> exists. For example, people with fibromyalgia have lower levels of
>> creatine phosphate and ATP levels compared to controls."
>>
>> Cont:
>>
>> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=19
>>
>>
>>> And there is a large body of research on creatine in a variety *medicinal
>>> therapeutic capacities*,
>>
>> And did I not already tell you that also? Did I not list the conditions
>> that may benefit from creatine? Shall I list them for you yet again? Here
>> goes:
>>
>> " A substantial body of research that found creatine may help with
>> diseases effecting the neuro muscular system, such as muscular dystrophy
>> and may have therapeutic applications in aging populations, wasting
>> syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, myopathies, Parkinson's disease,
>> Huntington's disease and other mitochondrial cytopathies. Several studies
>> have shown it may reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and has been used to
>> correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as people born without
>> the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine."
>>
>> and
>>
>> "In this article, we examine some additional properties of creatine, such
>> as its effects on growth hormone release, homocysteine and chronic fatigue
>> syndrome, as well as other important issues surrounding this supplement,
>> such as its safety."
>>
>> We now have three things we know you suck at: basic science, reasoning
>> power, and now, reading comprehension.
>
>we also know of one thing that you suck at

Did you intend to stop in mid sentence, or was that it?

;o)

Brink positively got his ass beat positively senseless in grade school.
I wonder if it is not still continuing.
He is, in essence, a fraud.
A consulting fraud, at that.
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"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:jtbrm2tffajslbqfnebks20jkq475cabka@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:48:00 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:willbrink-2811060945320001@192.168.2.156...
>>> In article <Q3Vah.107$QB1.11@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
>>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> One of the more interesting ones concerns a woman who *cured her
>>>> fibromyalgia* with creatine!
>>>
>>> Did I not already post it may improve this condition? What I wrote in an
>>> article years ago:
>>>
>>> "Because of creatine's apparent abilities to improve the symptoms of
>>> other
>>> pathologies involving a lack of high energy compounds (e.g., congestive
>>> heart failure, etc.) as well as the aforementioned afflictions outlined
>>> in
>>> the introduction to this article, it has been suggested that creatine
>>> may
>>> help with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia (some researchers
>>> now
>>> posit that they are in fact the same syndrome). Although the causes of
>>> both pathologies is still being debated, a lack of high energy compounds
>>> (e.g. ATP) at the level of the mitochondria and general muscle weakness
>>> exists. For example, people with fibromyalgia have lower levels of
>>> creatine phosphate and ATP levels compared to controls."
>>>
>>> Cont:
>>>
>>> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=19
>>>
>>>
>>>> And there is a large body of research on creatine in a variety
>>>> *medicinal
>>>> therapeutic capacities*,
>>>
>>> And did I not already tell you that also? Did I not list the conditions
>>> that may benefit from creatine? Shall I list them for you yet again?
>>> Here
>>> goes:
>>>
>>> " A substantial body of research that found creatine may help with
>>> diseases effecting the neuro muscular system, such as muscular dystrophy
>>> and may have therapeutic applications in aging populations, wasting
>>> syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, myopathies, Parkinson's disease,
>>> Huntington's disease and other mitochondrial cytopathies. Several
>>> studies
>>> have shown it may reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and has been used to
>>> correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as people born without
>>> the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine."
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> "In this article, we examine some additional properties of creatine,
>>> such
>>> as its effects on growth hormone release, homocysteine and chronic
>>> fatigue
>>> syndrome, as well as other important issues surrounding this supplement,
>>> such as its safety."
>>>
>>> We now have three things we know you suck at: basic science, reasoning
>>> power, and now, reading comprehension.
>>
>>we also know of one thing that you suck at
>
> Did you intend to stop in mid sentence, or was that it?
>
> ;o)
>

Can you cite a study where a person can have both OCD *and* ADHD??

After, of course, you've tackled my other elementary Qs.
Don't strain yerself, tho.
I'll give you a hint on the kinetics of creatine --> creatinine: the answer
lies within your gibberish.
And lessee: you say the reaction is not spontaneous, yet you say a solution
of creatine will go bad unless you refrigerate it.
Izzat because, uh, it *spoils*??
And, lessee, you are a "consulting expert" in creatine?? goodgawd....
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"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:willbrink-2911060942050001@192.168.2.156...
> In article <6n3bh.316$tv6.132@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>
>> Since you now acknowledge the risks, what might they be?
>
> If you list the meds you are taking for your OCD and ADHD, I will consider
> answering the question.
>

"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:jtbrm2tffajslbqfnebks20jkq475cabka@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:48:00 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:willbrink-2811060945320001@192.168.2.156...
>>> In article <Q3Vah.107$QB1.11@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
>>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> One of the more interesting ones concerns a woman who *cured her
>>>> fibromyalgia* with creatine!
>>>
>>> Did I not already post it may improve this condition? What I wrote in an
>>> article years ago:
>>>
>>> "Because of creatine's apparent abilities to improve the symptoms of
>>> other
>>> pathologies involving a lack of high energy compounds (e.g., congestive
>>> heart failure, etc.) as well as the aforementioned afflictions outlined
>>> in
>>> the introduction to this article, it has been suggested that creatine
>>> may
>>> help with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia (some researchers
>>> now
>>> posit that they are in fact the same syndrome). Although the causes of
>>> both pathologies is still being debated, a lack of high energy compounds
>>> (e.g. ATP) at the level of the mitochondria and general muscle weakness
>>> exists. For example, people with fibromyalgia have lower levels of
>>> creatine phosphate and ATP levels compared to controls."
>>>
>>> Cont:
>>>
>>> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=19
>>>
>>>
>>>> And there is a large body of research on creatine in a variety
>>>> *medicinal
>>>> therapeutic capacities*,
>>>
>>> And did I not already tell you that also? Did I not list the conditions
>>> that may benefit from creatine? Shall I list them for you yet again?
>>> Here
>>> goes:
>>>
>>> " A substantial body of research that found creatine may help with
>>> diseases effecting the neuro muscular system, such as muscular dystrophy
>>> and may have therapeutic applications in aging populations, wasting
>>> syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, myopathies, Parkinson's disease,
>>> Huntington's disease and other mitochondrial cytopathies. Several
>>> studies
>>> have shown it may reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and has been used to
>>> correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as people born without
>>> the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine."
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> "In this article, we examine some additional properties of creatine,
>>> such
>>> as its effects on growth hormone release, homocysteine and chronic
>>> fatigue
>>> syndrome, as well as other important issues surrounding this supplement,
>>> such as its safety."
>>>
>>> We now have three things we know you suck at: basic science, reasoning
>>> power, and now, reading comprehension.
>>
>>we also know of one thing that you suck at
>
> Did you intend to stop in mid sentence, or was that it?

No that was it - was my grammar not quite right? Not the Queens English and
to your entire satisfaction?
>
> ;o)

"Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> schreef:

> Can you cite a study where a person can have both OCD *and* ADHD??

Can YOU stop top-posting ?!?!?!

----
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:01:13 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:jtbrm2tffajslbqfnebks20jkq475cabka@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:48:00 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:willbrink-2811060945320001@192.168.2.156...
>>>> In article <Q3Vah.107$QB1.11@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
>>>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> One of the more interesting ones concerns a woman who *cured her
>>>>> fibromyalgia* with creatine!
>>>>
>>>> Did I not already post it may improve this condition? What I wrote in an
>>>> article years ago:
>>>>
>>>> "Because of creatine's apparent abilities to improve the symptoms of
>>>> other
>>>> pathologies involving a lack of high energy compounds (e.g., congestive
>>>> heart failure, etc.) as well as the aforementioned afflictions outlined
>>>> in
>>>> the introduction to this article, it has been suggested that creatine
>>>> may
>>>> help with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia (some researchers
>>>> now
>>>> posit that they are in fact the same syndrome). Although the causes of
>>>> both pathologies is still being debated, a lack of high energy compounds
>>>> (e.g. ATP) at the level of the mitochondria and general muscle weakness
>>>> exists. For example, people with fibromyalgia have lower levels of
>>>> creatine phosphate and ATP levels compared to controls."
>>>>
>>>> Cont:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=19
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And there is a large body of research on creatine in a variety
>>>>> *medicinal
>>>>> therapeutic capacities*,
>>>>
>>>> And did I not already tell you that also? Did I not list the conditions
>>>> that may benefit from creatine? Shall I list them for you yet again?
>>>> Here
>>>> goes:
>>>>
>>>> " A substantial body of research that found creatine may help with
>>>> diseases effecting the neuro muscular system, such as muscular dystrophy
>>>> and may have therapeutic applications in aging populations, wasting
>>>> syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, myopathies, Parkinson's disease,
>>>> Huntington's disease and other mitochondrial cytopathies. Several
>>>> studies
>>>> have shown it may reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and has been used to
>>>> correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as people born without
>>>> the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine."
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> "In this article, we examine some additional properties of creatine,
>>>> such
>>>> as its effects on growth hormone release, homocysteine and chronic
>>>> fatigue
>>>> syndrome, as well as other important issues surrounding this supplement,
>>>> such as its safety."
>>>>
>>>> We now have three things we know you suck at: basic science, reasoning
>>>> power, and now, reading comprehension.
>>>
>>>we also know of one thing that you suck at
>>
>> Did you intend to stop in mid sentence, or was that it?
>
>No that was it - was my grammar not quite right?

There was no "grammar", but then you are frequently zany so that
didn't confuse me...

>Not the Queens English and to your entire satisfaction?

Only in the respect that you left us hanging in the air with not a
clue as to what Brink "sucks at", given that he consistently sucks at
many things, including not having a clue about spelling or grammar.

I hope it's not catching...

However, if you are being difficult for the sake of it, be warned that
if you don't stop it, I shall have no hesitation in threatening to
allegedly "killfile" you, in order to "reduce the signal-to-noise
ratio." ;o)

In article <tIibh.998$Ay1.134@newsfe12.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
<entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:

> Can you cite a study where a person can have both OCD *and* ADHD??

Yes, go look in the mirror. Idiotic babble snipped.

OK, my mistake, my deficiency:
Because of my failings and deficiencies, I just don't understand why a
non-spontaneously reacting chemical, in solution all by itself, needs to be
refrigerated.
Can you *now* explain this to me?
You *are* a consulting expert in creatine...
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------
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Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
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all d'numbuhs

"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:willbrink-2911061409280001@192.168.2.156...
> In article <tIibh.998$Ay1.134@newsfe12.lga>, "Proctologically Violated©®"
> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>
>> Can you cite a study where a person can have both OCD *and* ADHD??
>
> Yes, go look in the mirror. Idiotic babble snipped.
>

"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:5glrm25icok844s85kv2iplk6hngrlmnl9@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:01:13 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:jtbrm2tffajslbqfnebks20jkq475cabka@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:48:00 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:willbrink-2811060945320001@192.168.2.156...
>>>>> In article <Q3Vah.107$QB1.11@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically
>>>>> Violated©®"
>>>>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the more interesting ones concerns a woman who *cured her
>>>>>> fibromyalgia* with creatine!
>>>>>
>>>>> Did I not already post it may improve this condition? What I wrote in
>>>>> an
>>>>> article years ago:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Because of creatine's apparent abilities to improve the symptoms of
>>>>> other
>>>>> pathologies involving a lack of high energy compounds (e.g.,
>>>>> congestive
>>>>> heart failure, etc.) as well as the aforementioned afflictions
>>>>> outlined
>>>>> in
>>>>> the introduction to this article, it has been suggested that creatine
>>>>> may
>>>>> help with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia (some researchers
>>>>> now
>>>>> posit that they are in fact the same syndrome). Although the causes of
>>>>> both pathologies is still being debated, a lack of high energy
>>>>> compounds
>>>>> (e.g. ATP) at the level of the mitochondria and general muscle
>>>>> weakness
>>>>> exists. For example, people with fibromyalgia have lower levels of
>>>>> creatine phosphate and ATP levels compared to controls."
>>>>>
>>>>> Cont:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=19
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And there is a large body of research on creatine in a variety
>>>>>> *medicinal
>>>>>> therapeutic capacities*,
>>>>>
>>>>> And did I not already tell you that also? Did I not list the
>>>>> conditions
>>>>> that may benefit from creatine? Shall I list them for you yet again?
>>>>> Here
>>>>> goes:
>>>>>
>>>>> " A substantial body of research that found creatine may help with
>>>>> diseases effecting the neuro muscular system, such as muscular
>>>>> dystrophy
>>>>> and may have therapeutic applications in aging populations, wasting
>>>>> syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, myopathies, Parkinson's disease,
>>>>> Huntington's disease and other mitochondrial cytopathies. Several
>>>>> studies
>>>>> have shown it may reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and has been used to
>>>>> correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as people born
>>>>> without
>>>>> the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine."
>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> "In this article, we examine some additional properties of creatine,
>>>>> such
>>>>> as its effects on growth hormone release, homocysteine and chronic
>>>>> fatigue
>>>>> syndrome, as well as other important issues surrounding this
>>>>> supplement,
>>>>> such as its safety."
>>>>>
>>>>> We now have three things we know you suck at: basic science, reasoning
>>>>> power, and now, reading comprehension.
>>>>
>>>>we also know of one thing that you suck at
>>>
>>> Did you intend to stop in mid sentence, or was that it?
>>
>>No that was it - was my grammar not quite right?
>
> There was no "grammar", but then you are frequently zany so that
> didn't confuse me...
>
>>Not the Queens English and to your entire satisfaction?
>
> Only in the respect that you left us hanging in the air with not a
> clue as to what Brink "sucks at", given that he consistently sucks at
> many things, including not having a clue about spelling or grammar.

Ok Ok I can see where you are becoming confused - leave out the word 'at'

>
> I hope it's not catching...
>
> However, if you are being difficult for the sake of it, be warned that
> if you don't stop it, I shall have no hesitation in threatening to
> allegedly "killfile" you, in order to "reduce the signal-to-noise
> ratio." ;o)

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:12:37 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
>
>"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:5glrm25icok844s85kv2iplk6hngrlmnl9@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:01:13 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
[...]

>>>>>>
>>>>>> We now have three things we know you suck at: basic science, reasoning
>>>>>> power, and now, reading comprehension.
>>>>>
>>>>>we also know of one thing that you suck at
>>>>
>>>> Did you intend to stop in mid sentence, or was that it?
>>>
>>>No that was it - was my grammar not quite right?
>>
>> There was no "grammar", but then you are frequently zany so that
>> didn't confuse me...
>>
>>>Not the Queens English and to your entire satisfaction?
>>
>> Only in the respect that you left us hanging in the air with not a
>> clue as to what Brink "sucks at", given that he consistently sucks at
>> many things, including not having a clue about spelling or grammar.
>
>Ok Ok I can see where you are becoming confused - leave out the word 'at'
>

All now becomes clear; my thanks for sparing the time to contribute
this important explanation.

It is clear that it is sufficient to understand that the OP simply
"sucks" generally, and doesn't just suck in one area or discipline.

Following on from your recent enquiry about "Skippy", I wonder if the
origin and meaning of "sucks" is known to those that use it on a
regular basis?

"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:456e9277$0$19406$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>
> "Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:5glrm25icok844s85kv2iplk6hngrlmnl9@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:01:13 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>news:jtbrm2tffajslbqfnebks20jkq475cabka@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:48:00 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:willbrink-2811060945320001@192.168.2.156...
>>>>>> In article <Q3Vah.107$QB1.11@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically
>>>>>> Violated©®"
>>>>>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the more interesting ones concerns a woman who *cured her
>>>>>>> fibromyalgia* with creatine!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did I not already post it may improve this condition? What I wrote in
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> article years ago:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Because of creatine's apparent abilities to improve the symptoms of
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> pathologies involving a lack of high energy compounds (e.g.,
>>>>>> congestive
>>>>>> heart failure, etc.) as well as the aforementioned afflictions
>>>>>> outlined
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the introduction to this article, it has been suggested that creatine
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> help with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia (some researchers
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> posit that they are in fact the same syndrome). Although the causes
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> both pathologies is still being debated, a lack of high energy
>>>>>> compounds
>>>>>> (e.g. ATP) at the level of the mitochondria and general muscle
>>>>>> weakness
>>>>>> exists. For example, people with fibromyalgia have lower levels of
>>>>>> creatine phosphate and ATP levels compared to controls."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cont:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=19
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And there is a large body of research on creatine in a variety
>>>>>>> *medicinal
>>>>>>> therapeutic capacities*,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And did I not already tell you that also? Did I not list the
>>>>>> conditions
>>>>>> that may benefit from creatine? Shall I list them for you yet again?
>>>>>> Here
>>>>>> goes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> " A substantial body of research that found creatine may help with
>>>>>> diseases effecting the neuro muscular system, such as muscular
>>>>>> dystrophy
>>>>>> and may have therapeutic applications in aging populations, wasting
>>>>>> syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, myopathies, Parkinson's disease,
>>>>>> Huntington's disease and other mitochondrial cytopathies. Several
>>>>>> studies
>>>>>> have shown it may reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and has been used
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as people born
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In this article, we examine some additional properties of creatine,
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> as its effects on growth hormone release, homocysteine and chronic
>>>>>> fatigue
>>>>>> syndrome, as well as other important issues surrounding this
>>>>>> supplement,
>>>>>> such as its safety."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We now have three things we know you suck at: basic science,
>>>>>> reasoning
>>>>>> power, and now, reading comprehension.
>>>>>
>>>>>we also know of one thing that you suck at
>>>>
>>>> Did you intend to stop in mid sentence, or was that it?
>>>
>>>No that was it - was my grammar not quite right?
>>
>> There was no "grammar", but then you are frequently zany so that
>> didn't confuse me...
>>
>>>Not the Queens English and to your entire satisfaction?
>>
>> Only in the respect that you left us hanging in the air with not a
>> clue as to what Brink "sucks at", given that he consistently sucks at
>> many things, including not having a clue about spelling or grammar.
>
> Ok Ok I can see where you are becoming confused - leave out the word 'at'

Or, change "at" to "on".
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------
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Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.
The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!

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all d'numbuhs


>
>>
>> I hope it's not catching...
>>
>> However, if you are being difficult for the sake of it, be warned that
>> if you don't stop it, I shall have no hesitation in threatening to
>> allegedly "killfile" you, in order to "reduce the signal-to-noise
>> ratio." ;o)
>
>
>

"Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote in
message news:jsxbh.506$0O7.256@newsfe10.lga...
>
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:456e9277$0$19406$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>
>> "Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:5glrm25icok844s85kv2iplk6hngrlmnl9@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 04:01:13 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:jtbrm2tffajslbqfnebks20jkq475cabka@4ax.co m...
>>>>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:48:00 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:willbrink-2811060945320001@192.168.2.156...
>>>>>>> In article <Q3Vah.107$QB1.11@newsfe09.lga>, "Proctologically
>>>>>>> Violated©®"
>>>>>>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of the more interesting ones concerns a woman who *cured her
>>>>>>>> fibromyalgia* with creatine!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did I not already post it may improve this condition? What I wrote
>>>>>>> in an
>>>>>>> article years ago:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Because of creatine's apparent abilities to improve the symptoms of
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> pathologies involving a lack of high energy compounds (e.g.,
>>>>>>> congestive
>>>>>>> heart failure, etc.) as well as the aforementioned afflictions
>>>>>>> outlined
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the introduction to this article, it has been suggested that
>>>>>>> creatine
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> help with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia (some
>>>>>>> researchers
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>> posit that they are in fact the same syndrome). Although the causes
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> both pathologies is still being debated, a lack of high energy
>>>>>>> compounds
>>>>>>> (e.g. ATP) at the level of the mitochondria and general muscle
>>>>>>> weakness
>>>>>>> exists. For example, people with fibromyalgia have lower levels of
>>>>>>> creatine phosphate and ATP levels compared to controls."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cont:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=19
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And there is a large body of research on creatine in a variety
>>>>>>>> *medicinal
>>>>>>>> therapeutic capacities*,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And did I not already tell you that also? Did I not list the
>>>>>>> conditions
>>>>>>> that may benefit from creatine? Shall I list them for you yet again?
>>>>>>> Here
>>>>>>> goes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> " A substantial body of research that found creatine may help with
>>>>>>> diseases effecting the neuro muscular system, such as muscular
>>>>>>> dystrophy
>>>>>>> and may have therapeutic applications in aging populations, wasting
>>>>>>> syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, myopathies, Parkinson's disease,
>>>>>>> Huntington's disease and other mitochondrial cytopathies. Several
>>>>>>> studies
>>>>>>> have shown it may reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and has been used
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as people born
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>> the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "In this article, we examine some additional properties of creatine,
>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>> as its effects on growth hormone release, homocysteine and chronic
>>>>>>> fatigue
>>>>>>> syndrome, as well as other important issues surrounding this
>>>>>>> supplement,
>>>>>>> such as its safety."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We now have three things we know you suck at: basic science,
>>>>>>> reasoning
>>>>>>> power, and now, reading comprehension.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>we also know of one thing that you suck at
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you intend to stop in mid sentence, or was that it?
>>>>
>>>>No that was it - was my grammar not quite right?
>>>
>