What is the ideal resting time between each set of repetitions?

I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same weight
after one round of each weight.
But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or bad.

What is the ideal resting time between each set of repetitions? Is
there some kind of statistical analysis out there?

Thank you.

newlywed2@daum.net wrote:
> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same weight
> after one round of each weight.
> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or bad.
>
> What is the ideal resting time between each set of repetitions? Is
> there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
>
> Thank you.

For purposes of lifting maximal weights [i.e. strength], 3-4 minutes. For
strength/endurance something less.

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:46:14 +0100, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>newlywed2@daum.net wrote:
>> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same weight
>> after one round of each weight.
>> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
>> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or bad.
>>
>> What is the ideal resting time between each set of repetitions? Is
>> there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
>>
>> Thank you.
>
>For purposes of lifting maximal weights [i.e. strength], 3-4 minutes. For
>strength/endurance something less.

RDC says rest periods of 15 to 20 minutes between heavy singles and
doubles are good as long as one doesn't cool off in that time.

"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com> schreef:

>>For purposes of lifting maximal weights [i.e. strength], 3-4 minutes. For
>>strength/endurance something less.

> RDC says rest periods of 15 to 20 minutes between heavy singles and
> doubles are good as long as one doesn't cool off in that time.

Whats the purpose of resting 20 minutes after a single repetition?

----
Pete

<newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same weight
> after one round of each weight.
> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or bad.
>
> What is the ideal resting time between each set of repetitions? Is
> there some kind of statistical analysis out there?

Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your goal
primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance, and 3:00 or
longer if you goal is strength. This is a continuum and there is no one
right answer - vary the rest period according to the weights you're
using, the exercises you're performing, and your own goals, e.g., some
people may perform some exercises on longer rests while using shorter
rests for other things.

Hope that helps.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> schreef:

>> What is the ideal resting time between each set of repetitions? Is
>> there some kind of statistical analysis out there?

> Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your goal
> primarily to get bigger...

Yeah, when you do wrist curls.

With the "bigger" exercises, i suggest 2-3 minutes.

> Hope that helps.

Yeah, me too...

----
Pete

Steve Freides wrote:
> <newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
> news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same weight
>> after one round of each weight.
>> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
>> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or
>> bad. What is the ideal resting time between each set of repetitions? Is
>> there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
>
> Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your
> goal primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance, and 3:00
> or longer if you goal is strength.

After 4 mins then something like 99% of your ATP has been replenished, so
other than for physcological reasons, any further rest is quite literally a
waste of time.

> This is a continuum and there is
> no one right answer - vary the rest period according to the weights
> you're using, the exercises you're performing, and your own goals,
> e.g., some people may perform some exercises on longer rests while
> using shorter rests for other things.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com



--
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Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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> Steve Freides wrote:
>> <newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
>> news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>>> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same weight
>>> after one round of each weight.
>>> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
>>> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or
>>> bad. What is the ideal resting time between each set of repetitions?
>>> Is
>>> there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
>>
>> Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your
>> goal primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance, and 3:00
>> or longer if you goal is strength.
>
> After 4 mins then something like 99% of your ATP has been replenished,
> so other than for physcological reasons, any further rest is quite
> literally a waste of time.

No, it's not a waste of time. There are things other than ATP at issue
here. See John's mention of RDC's comments and RDC is not the only one.
I find 10-15 minutes between hard efforts about right for me most times,
and it's not only hard singles that can benefit from this treatment,
e.g., if you're doing a ladder-type workout where you do an ascending
pyramid, say sets of 1, 2, 3, 4 reps of the same exercise on short
rests, then you might wish to take 10 minutes or longer before starting
the next ladder if your focus is strength. I also usually take 5-10
minutes or more between heavy DL sets even when they're doubles and
triples.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


>> This is a continuum and there is
>> no one right answer - vary the rest period according to the weights
>> you're using, the exercises you're performing, and your own goals,
>> e.g., some people may perform some exercises on longer rests while
>> using shorter rests for other things.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>
>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:07:13 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com> schreef:
>
>>>For purposes of lifting maximal weights [i.e. strength], 3-4 minutes. For
>>>strength/endurance something less.
>
>> RDC says rest periods of 15 to 20 minutes between heavy singles and
>> doubles are good as long as one doesn't cool off in that time.
>
>Whats the purpose of resting 20 minutes after a single repetition?
>
Ask Rickey.

"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:07:13 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>>"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com> schreef:
>>
>>>>For purposes of lifting maximal weights [i.e. strength], 3-4
>>>>minutes. For
>>>>strength/endurance something less.
>>
>>> RDC says rest periods of 15 to 20 minutes between heavy singles and
>>> doubles are good as long as one doesn't cool off in that time.
>>
>>Whats the purpose of resting 20 minutes after a single repetition?
>>
> Ask Rickey.

Agreed, but I would say it's to let the central nervous system fully
recover.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Bully wrote:
> Steve Freides wrote:
> > <newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
> > news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> >> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same weight
> >> after one round of each weight.
> >> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
> >> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or
> >> bad. What is the ideal resting time between each set of repetitions? Is
> >> there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
> >
> > Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your
> > goal primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance, and 3:00
> > or longer if you goal is strength.
>
> After 4 mins then something like 99% of your ATP has been replenished, so
> other than for physcological reasons, any further rest is quite literally a
> waste of time.

ATP != CNS

"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com> schreef:

>>> RDC says rest periods of 15 to 20 minutes between heavy singles and
>>> doubles are good as long as one doesn't cool off in that time.

>>Whats the purpose of resting 20 minutes after a single repetition?

> Ask Rickey.

Okay.

Who is Ricky and where can he be found?

----
Pete

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> schreef:

>>>Whats the purpose of resting 20 minutes after a single repetition?

>> Ask Rickey.

> Agreed, but I would say it's to let the central nervous system fully
> recover.

Weightlifters often has set World Records with just a few minutes rest
between several attempts.

Somehow i think its strange that such records can be set without full
recovery of the nervous system.

Very, VERY strange...

----
Pete

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:07:10 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com> schreef:
>
>>>> RDC says rest periods of 15 to 20 minutes between heavy singles and
>>>> doubles are good as long as one doesn't cool off in that time.
>
>>>Whats the purpose of resting 20 minutes after a single repetition?
>
>> Ask Rickey.
>
>Okay.
>
>Who is Ricky and where can he be found?
>
Rickey Dale Crain
http://www.crainsmuscleworld.com/

2000 inductee to the
Powerlifting Hall Of Fame


5 Time World Champion
10 Time National Champion


Has competed for 35 years and broken over 100 National,
International and World Records


2 Time All-American Powerlifter in College
Winner of the 1976 Pan American Games


Author of 2 books:
"To Squat Or Not To Squat"
Author of 1 Video:
"To Squat Or Not To Squat"
Recorded 3 Christian Folk/Rock Albums:
"For I Am Crucified"
"Just One Drop Of Blood"
"Fresh As The Wind"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best competition lifts:
Weight class Squat Bench press Deadlift Total
148 630 350 661 1609
165 800 440 716 1890
181 - 450 733 Total


Listed As One Of The Top 25 Powerlifters Of All Time
Part Of The Only Brother-Sister World Champions Ever With Sister Gayla
Sue Crain Dixon
Started lifting at age two
Early Career Idols:
Donald Neil Crain (father)
Jerry Jones (a.k.a. JJ)
George Crawford
Paul Anderson

Currently working on a Bench Press Book, a Deadlift Book and one more
Album

"Every lifter should concentrate more on form, style and technique
than what training routine they are using. Train each lift once a week
and get in shape, before you start your heavy training."


Rickey Dale Crain
Crain's Muscle World, Ltd.

"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com> schreef:

>>> Ask Rickey.

>>Okay.

>>Who is Ricky and where can he be found?

> Rickey Dale Crain
> http://www.crainsmuscleworld.com/

> 2000 inductee to the
> Powerlifting Hall Of Fame

> 5 Time World Champion
> 10 Time National Champion


> Has competed for 35 years and broken over 100 National,
> International and World Records

Ricky has been around. Thanks John.
I will certainly read the link.

----
Pete

Steve Freides wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> news:4ps8ruFkaatpU1@individual.net...
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> <newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
>>> news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>>>> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same
>>>> weight after one round of each weight.
>>>> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
>>>> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or
>>>> bad. What is the ideal resting time between each set of
>>>> repetitions? Is
>>>> there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
>>>
>>> Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your
>>> goal primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance, and
>>> 3:00 or longer if you goal is strength.
>>
>> After 4 mins then something like 99% of your ATP has been
>> replenished, so other than for physcological reasons, any further
>> rest is quite literally a waste of time.
>
> No, it's not a waste of time. There are things other than ATP at
> issue here. See John's mention of RDC's comments and RDC is not the
> only one. I find 10-15 minutes between hard efforts about right for
> me most times, and it's not only hard singles that can benefit from
> this treatment, e.g., if you're doing a ladder-type workout where you
> do an ascending pyramid, say sets of 1, 2, 3, 4 reps of the same
> exercise on short rests, then you might wish to take 10 minutes or
> longer before starting the next ladder if your focus is strength. I
> also usually take 5-10 minutes or more between heavy DL sets even
> when they're doubles and triples.
>

Why?




--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
news:4pt326Fk33pmU1@individual.net...
> Steve Freides wrote:
>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>> news:4ps8ruFkaatpU1@individual.net...
>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> <newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same
>>>>> weight after one round of each weight.
>>>>> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
>>>>> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or
>>>>> bad. What is the ideal resting time between each set of
>>>>> repetitions? Is
>>>>> there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your
>>>> goal primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance, and
>>>> 3:00 or longer if you goal is strength.
>>>
>>> After 4 mins then something like 99% of your ATP has been
>>> replenished, so other than for physcological reasons, any further
>>> rest is quite literally a waste of time.
>>
>> No, it's not a waste of time. There are things other than ATP at
>> issue here. See John's mention of RDC's comments and RDC is not the
>> only one. I find 10-15 minutes between hard efforts about right for
>> me most times, and it's not only hard singles that can benefit from
>> this treatment, e.g., if you're doing a ladder-type workout where you
>> do an ascending pyramid, say sets of 1, 2, 3, 4 reps of the same
>> exercise on short rests, then you might wish to take 10 minutes or
>> longer before starting the next ladder if your focus is strength. I
>> also usually take 5-10 minutes or more between heavy DL sets even
>> when they're doubles and triples.
>>
>
> Why?

For the same reason I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, as did
geek_girl - the central nervous system (CNS) needs to recover.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

> Why?

Bully, i did 5 sets of 5, with 85% of 1RM, with aprox. 3 minutes between
sets.
After a few exercises, when i got a littler fatiqued, that might went up to
4-5 minutes, no more.

Performance DIDNT go down.

----
Pete

"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Bully wrote:
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>> > <newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
>> > news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same weight
>> >> after one round of each weight.
>> >> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
>> >> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or
>> >> bad. What is the ideal resting time between each set of repetitions? Is
>> >> there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
>> >
>> > Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your
>> > goal primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance, and 3:00
>> > or longer if you goal is strength.
>>
>> After 4 mins then something like 99% of your ATP has been replenished, so
>> other than for physcological reasons, any further rest is quite literally a
>> waste of time.
>
>ATP != CNS

True.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:20:02 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>Yeah, when you do wrist curls.
>
>With the "bigger" exercises, i suggest 2-3 minutes.
>
>> Hope that helps.
>
>Yeah, me too...

Here is an odd question. How do you guys keep track of minutes
passed? Do you bring a watch to the gym? I alway just sort of wing
it without really knowing how much time actually passed.

Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>> Why?
>
> Bully, i did 5 sets of 5, with 85% of 1RM, with aprox. 3 minutes
> between sets.
> After a few exercises, when i got a littler fatiqued, that might went
> up to 4-5 minutes, no more.
>
> Performance DIDNT go down.
>
> ----
> Pete

That's what I would expect !

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

geek_girl wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> <newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
>>> news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>>>> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same
>>>> weight after one round of each weight.
>>>> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
>>>> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or
>>>> bad. What is the ideal resting time between each set of
>>>> repetitions? Is there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
>>>
>>> Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your
>>> goal primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance, and
>>> 3:00 or longer if you goal is strength.
>>
>> After 4 mins then something like 99% of your ATP has been
>> replenished, so other than for physcological reasons, any further
>> rest is quite literally a waste of time.
>
> ATP != CNS

No-one said it was. However, as far as I can tell there are very few people
on this group who are training with the intensity whereby they need 20 mins
rest for CNS recovery between sets!!!


--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Shute wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:20:02 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, when you do wrist curls.
>>
>> With the "bigger" exercises, i suggest 2-3 minutes.
>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Yeah, me too...
>
> Here is an odd question. How do you guys keep track of minutes
> passed? Do you bring a watch to the gym? I alway just sort of wing
> it without really knowing how much time actually passed.

When I get real serious about maxing my maxes I do !

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Bully wrote:
> Shute wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:20:02 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, when you do wrist curls.
>>>
>>> With the "bigger" exercises, i suggest 2-3 minutes.
>>>
>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Yeah, me too...
>>
>> Here is an odd question. How do you guys keep track of minutes
>> passed? Do you bring a watch to the gym? I alway just sort of wing
>> it without really knowing how much time actually passed.
>
> When I get real serious about maxing my maxes I do !

....to ensure I get sufficient rest ! Although if training partner #1 is
with me, his incessant talking ensures I do!

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:18:04 -0400, JMW
<jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Bully wrote:
>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> > <newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>>> >> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same weight
>>> >> after one round of each weight.
>>> >> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
>>> >> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or
>>> >> bad. What is the ideal resting time between each set of repetitions? Is
>>> >> there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
>>> >
>>> > Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your
>>> > goal primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance, and 3:00
>>> > or longer if you goal is strength.
>>>
>>> After 4 mins then something like 99% of your ATP has been replenished, so
>>> other than for physcological reasons, any further rest is quite literally a
>>> waste of time.
>>
>>ATP != CNS
>
>True.

This will come as an enormous relief to those of us that were waiting
anxiously for your validation John.

However, I was personally disappointed that you didn't prompt Sarah
Jane to include the peripheral nervous system (PNS) in her equation
thus:

ATP = CNS + PNS

While we're talking 'nervously' let's not forget the cousins of the
above, who would hate to be left out:

Somatic nervous system, Autonomic nervous system, Sympathetic
nervous system, Parasympathetic nervous system and the Sensory
system.

Have a great weekend John - you know I intend to, in fact I started
early this weekend! ;o)

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 01:38:26 -0400, Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:20:02 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
>wrote:
>
>>Yeah, when you do wrist curls.
>>
>>With the "bigger" exercises, i suggest 2-3 minutes.
>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>
>>Yeah, me too...
>
>Here is an odd question. How do you guys keep track of minutes
>passed? Do you bring a watch to the gym? I alway just sort of wing
>it without really knowing how much time actually passed.

I always wear a sports watch that has the easy facility to set time
intervals, which I do by long-established habit without fail for rest
periods between sets and different exercises.

I need to do this as I often get sidetracked by 'gossiping', and it is
always a good excuse to break off this time-wasting (but pleasurable)
gym activity, and get back to what I am *really* supposed to be doing!

Have a great weekend Shute - I always do! ;o)

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
news:4ptt45FkivroU1@individual.net...
> geek_girl wrote:
>> Bully wrote:
>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> <newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same
>>>>> weight after one round of each weight.
>>>>> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
>>>>> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or
>>>>> bad. What is the ideal resting time between each set of
>>>>> repetitions? Is there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your
>>>> goal primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance, and
>>>> 3:00 or longer if you goal is strength.
>>>
>>> After 4 mins then something like 99% of your ATP has been
>>> replenished, so other than for physcological reasons, any further
>>> rest is quite literally a waste of time.
>>
>> ATP != CNS
>
> No-one said it was. However, as far as I can tell there are very few
> people on this group who are training with the intensity whereby they need
> 20 mins rest for CNS recovery between sets!!!
>

Even if 20 min is optimal - personally I can't be spending 3+ hours in the
gym.

Dnia 2006-10-21 Shute napisa³(a):
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:20:02 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, when you do wrist curls.
>>
>>With the "bigger" exercises, i suggest 2-3 minutes.
>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>
>>Yeah, me too...
>
> Here is an odd question. How do you guys keep track of minutes
> passed? Do you bring a watch to the gym? I alway just sort of wing
> it without really knowing how much time actually passed.

This is one thing where I'd find heart rate monitor useful. I used
once an exercise bike for that. It showed your heart rate if you
grabbed the handles, and then I found empirically that lifting weights
is actually pretty good cardio. ;-)

Anyway, I started next set the moment my pulse went down to around 140.

Also I used wall clock. It lets you know if you are making progress.
Without it, it was hard to guess if I can lift more because I got
stronger of just rested a bit longer between sets.

Wall clocks are ego destroyers. ;-(

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Bully wrote:
> geek_girl wrote:
> > Bully wrote:
> >> Steve Freides wrote:
> >>> <newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> >>>> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same
> >>>> weight after one round of each weight.
> >>>> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight before
> >>>> moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be good or
> >>>> bad. What is the ideal resting time between each set of
> >>>> repetitions? Is there some kind of statistical analysis out there?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if your
> >>> goal primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance, and
> >>> 3:00 or longer if you goal is strength.
> >>
> >> After 4 mins then something like 99% of your ATP has been
> >> replenished, so other than for physcological reasons, any further
> >> rest is quite literally a waste of time.
> >
> > ATP != CNS
>
> No-one said it was.

Well, no, you didn't say it was. However, you only mentioned ATP and
psychological reasons, and appeared to be completely discounting the
need for CNS recovery. You did say that "any further rest is quite
literally a waste of time."

> However, as far as I can tell there are very few people
> on this group who are training with the intensity whereby they need 20 mins
> rest for CNS recovery between sets!!!

I'm pretty sure there are others here who sometimes do max doubles and
singles, and for me, those can require as much as 10-15 minutes
recovery time. Of course, I'm a delicate flower, and even I don't take
that much time for every set of every workout. My point wasn't that
everyone should always rest for 20 minutes or whatever between every
set, just that there are factors to consider other than the ones you
mentioned, and those factors may be relevant for some people here, so
your blanket statement that "any further rest is quite literally a
waste of time" isn't correct.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:22:26 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com> schreef:
>
>>>> Ask Rickey.
>
>>>Okay.
>
>>>Who is Ricky and where can he be found?
>
>> Rickey Dale Crain
>> http://www.crainsmuscleworld.com/
>
>> 2000 inductee to the
>> Powerlifting Hall Of Fame
>
>> 5 Time World Champion
>> 10 Time National Champion
>
>
>> Has competed for 35 years and broken over 100 National,
>> International and World Records
>
>Ricky has been around. Thanks John.
>I will certainly read the link.
>
>----
>Pete
>

Meh. May or may not be helpful. Freakish strength, like freakish
muscularity, is mostly genetic. That isn't to say you don't have to
bust your ass to develop it but he may have been as successful with 5
minutes between reps as 15-20.

Probably no more helpful than Coleman telling you how to be the next
Mr. O.

--
Is this thing on?

"Joe Humble" <joehumble@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:krdnj2tfvr5pb19vguieh2lerptcj326an@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:22:26 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
> wrote:
>
>>"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com> schreef:
>>
>>>>> Ask Rickey.
>>
>>>>Okay.
>>
>>>>Who is Ricky and where can he be found?
>>
>>> Rickey Dale Crain
>>> http://www.crainsmuscleworld.com/
>>
>>> 2000 inductee to the
>>> Powerlifting Hall Of Fame
>>
>>> 5 Time World Champion
>>> 10 Time National Champion
>>
>>
>>> Has competed for 35 years and broken over 100 National,
>>> International and World Records
>>
>>Ricky has been around. Thanks John.
>>I will certainly read the link.
>>
>>----
>>Pete
>>
>
> Meh. May or may not be helpful. Freakish strength, like freakish
> muscularity, is mostly genetic. That isn't to say you don't have to
> bust your ass to develop it but he may have been as successful with 5
> minutes between reps as 15-20.
>
> Probably no more helpful than Coleman telling you how to be the next
> Mr. O.

I don't think so. RDC is a real student of the iron game in addition to
being a very successful lifter. He's been putting out a newsletter
with, IMHO, lots of good, practical training advice, particularly when
it comes to how to train as one gets older. I haven't seen any of his
books but I imagine they're at least as good. Add to that the fact that
_many_ strength athletes will tell you they have worked up to very heavy
weights in training at times and used very long rests, and I think
John's point (and RDC's and mine and the rest of people who've actually
used this approach in training with good results) stands - if you want
to get the most out of heavy singles in training, you take enough rest
to be fully recovered between reps, however long that takes.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

geek_girl wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> geek_girl wrote:
>>> Bully wrote:
>>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>> <newlywed2@daum.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1161322179.296465.55410@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>> I usually do one set of each weight and come back to the same
>>>>>> weight after one round of each weight.
>>>>>> But this morning, I did two consecutive sets of each weight
>>>>>> before moving on to the next and felt more fatigue, which may be
>>>>>> good or bad. What is the ideal resting time between each set of
>>>>>> repetitions? Is there some kind of statistical analysis out
>>>>>> there?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, generally a short rest on the order of :30-:60 seconds if
>>>>> your goal primarily to get bigger and/or build up your endurance,
>>>>> and 3:00 or longer if you goal is strength.
>>>>
>>>> After 4 mins then something like 99% of your ATP has been
>>>> replenished, so other than for physcological reasons, any further
>>>> rest is quite literally a waste of time.
>>>
>>> ATP != CNS
>>
>> No-one said it was.
>
> Well, no, you didn't say it was. However, you only mentioned ATP and
> psychological reasons, and appeared to be completely discounting the
> need for CNS recovery. You did say that "any further rest is quite
> literally a waste of time."

Fair comment.

>
>> However, as far as I can tell there are very few people
>> on this group who are training with the intensity whereby they need
>> 20 mins rest for CNS recovery between sets!!!
>
> I'm pretty sure there are others here who sometimes do max doubles and
> singles, and for me, those can require as much as 10-15 minutes
> recovery time. Of course, I'm a delicate flower, and even I don't take
> that much time for every set of every workout. My point wasn't that
> everyone should always rest for 20 minutes or whatever between every
> set, just that there are factors to consider other than the ones you
> mentioned, and those factors may be relevant for some people here, so
> your blanket statement that "any further rest is quite literally a
> waste of time" isn't correct.

Fair comment.

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 01:31:24 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>> Why?
>
>Bully, i did 5 sets of 5, with 85% of 1RM, with aprox. 3 minutes between
>sets.
>After a few exercises, when i got a littler fatiqued, that might went up to
>4-5 minutes, no more.
>
>Performance DIDNT go down.
>
5 sets of 5 with 85% is not the same as 1 rep at 100%. Nor is it the
same as doing a single rep in gear that may add more than 100 pounds
to your 1 rep max without gear. The strain on the CNS can be immense
because your body still has to support all that weight at leverages
where the gear doesn't help you.