what size kettlebell to get?

all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should start
with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/ a 24kg
one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to suggestions
based on strength in other lifts or some criteria other than whether
you're 'average'?

"ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
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> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
> start
> with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/ a 24kg
> one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to suggestions
> based on strength in other lifts or some criteria other than whether
> you're 'average'?

Pavel has said somewhere - I can't remember where - that if you can
bench more than 200 lbs., start with a 20 kg instead of a 16 kg, and I
think he says a 250 bench means you can start with the 24 kg. I've been
doing this for several years now - post some numbers and your age and
height/weight, any medical restrictions, injuries, etc., and I'll be
glad to tell you what I recommend.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In news:4p8da7Fhkf8oU1@individual.net,
Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
> "ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
> news:1160684430.837830.249670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
>> start
>> with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/ a 24kg
>> one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to
>> suggestions based on strength in other lifts or some criteria other
>> than whether you're 'average'?
>
> Pavel has said somewhere - I can't remember where - that if you can
> bench more than 200 lbs., start with a 20 kg instead of a 16 kg, and I
> think he says a 250 bench means you can start with the 24 kg. I've
> been doing this for several years now - post some numbers and your
> age and height/weight, any medical restrictions, injuries, etc., and
> I'll be glad to tell you what I recommend.

30yrs old, 6', 178lbs. i'm currently benching 185 x 5 (don't know 1rm). no
medical restrictions.

thanks!

"ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
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> In news:4p8da7Fhkf8oU1@individual.net,
> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>> "ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
>> news:1160684430.837830.249670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
>>> start
>>> with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/ a
>>> 24kg
>>> one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to
>>> suggestions based on strength in other lifts or some criteria other
>>> than whether you're 'average'?
>>
>> Pavel has said somewhere - I can't remember where - that if you can
>> bench more than 200 lbs., start with a 20 kg instead of a 16 kg, and
>> I
>> think he says a 250 bench means you can start with the 24 kg. I've
>> been doing this for several years now - post some numbers and your
>> age and height/weight, any medical restrictions, injuries, etc., and
>> I'll be glad to tell you what I recommend.
>
> 30yrs old, 6', 178lbs. i'm currently benching 185 x 5 (don't know
> 1rm). no
> medical restrictions.

I get a 1RM of 208 from 185 x 5, so take your pick. Personally, I don't
find much use for two sizes close together when they're relatively
light, so I'd still get the 35 lb. and then, after a while, the 53 lb.,
but you can get the 44 lb. if you prefer and you'll stick with it a bit
longer. My first experience with swinging the 35 was that it seemed
much heavier than it actually was, but after only a few weeks, I got a
53 lb.

All this assuming your 185 is pounds. If it's kilograms, you're pretty
strong and you can certainly get a 53 lb. to start.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


>
> thanks!
>
>

In news:4p8icaFhfig9U1@individual.net,
Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
> "ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
> news:7rDXg.16218$7I1.1242@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
>> In news:4p8da7Fhkf8oU1@individual.net,
>> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>>> "ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1160684430.837830.249670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
>>>> start
>>>> with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/ a
>>>> 24kg
>>>> one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to
>>>> suggestions based on strength in other lifts or some criteria other
>>>> than whether you're 'average'?
>>>
>>> Pavel has said somewhere - I can't remember where - that if you can
>>> bench more than 200 lbs., start with a 20 kg instead of a 16 kg, and
>>> I
>>> think he says a 250 bench means you can start with the 24 kg. I've
>>> been doing this for several years now - post some numbers and your
>>> age and height/weight, any medical restrictions, injuries, etc., and
>>> I'll be glad to tell you what I recommend.
>>
>> 30yrs old, 6', 178lbs. i'm currently benching 185 x 5 (don't know
>> 1rm). no
>> medical restrictions.
>
> I get a 1RM of 208 from 185 x 5, so take your pick. Personally, I
> don't find much use for two sizes close together when they're
> relatively light, so I'd still get the 35 lb. and then, after a
> while, the 53 lb., but you can get the 44 lb. if you prefer and
> you'll stick with it a bit longer. My first experience with swinging
> the 35 was that it seemed much heavier than it actually was, but
> after only a few weeks, I got a 53 lb.

if i'll 'outgrow' the 35 pounder to a 53 pounder after just a few weeks,
would it be horrible to start with a 53 pounder?

> All this assuming your 185 is pounds. If it's kilograms, you're
> pretty strong and you can certainly get a 53 lb. to start.

definately pounds. ;D

ed wrote:
> In news:4p8icaFhfig9U1@individual.net,
> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>> "ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:7rDXg.16218$7I1.1242@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
>>> In news:4p8da7Fhkf8oU1@individual.net,
>>> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>>>> "ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1160684430.837830.249670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
>>>>> start
>>>>> with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/ a
>>>>> 24kg
>>>>> one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to
>>>>> suggestions based on strength in other lifts or some criteria
>>>>> other than whether you're 'average'?
>>>>
>>>> Pavel has said somewhere - I can't remember where - that if you can
>>>> bench more than 200 lbs., start with a 20 kg instead of a 16 kg,
>>>> and I
>>>> think he says a 250 bench means you can start with the 24 kg. I've
>>>> been doing this for several years now - post some numbers and your
>>>> age and height/weight, any medical restrictions, injuries, etc.,
>>>> and I'll be glad to tell you what I recommend.
>>>
>>> 30yrs old, 6', 178lbs. i'm currently benching 185 x 5 (don't know
>>> 1rm). no
>>> medical restrictions.
>>
>> I get a 1RM of 208 from 185 x 5, so take your pick. Personally, I
>> don't find much use for two sizes close together when they're
>> relatively light, so I'd still get the 35 lb. and then, after a
>> while, the 53 lb., but you can get the 44 lb. if you prefer and
>> you'll stick with it a bit longer. My first experience with swinging
>> the 35 was that it seemed much heavier than it actually was, but
>> after only a few weeks, I got a 53 lb.
>
> if i'll 'outgrow' the 35 pounder to a 53 pounder after just a few
> weeks, would it be horrible to start with a 53 pounder?
>
>> All this assuming your 185 is pounds. If it's kilograms, you're
>> pretty strong and you can certainly get a 53 lb. to start.
>
> definately pounds. ;D

Do keep working on your bench as well then !!!!

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

In news:4p8qpsFhkjqrU1@individual.net,
Bully <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> typed:
> ed wrote:
<snip>
>>> All this assuming your 185 is pounds. If it's kilograms, you're
>>> pretty strong and you can certainly get a 53 lb. to start.
>>
>> definately pounds. ;D
>
> Do keep working on your bench as well then !!!!

yar, i know. but not too bad for me, being back into lifting for only
about 6 months and trying to cut back a bit on bodyfat (hell, it's not too
bad for me anyways. never was very good at bench, but my squats have always
responded well...).

ed wrote:
> In news:4p8qpsFhkjqrU1@individual.net,
> Bully <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> typed:
>> ed wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> All this assuming your 185 is pounds. If it's kilograms, you're
>>>> pretty strong and you can certainly get a 53 lb. to start.
>>>
>>> definately pounds. ;D
>>
>> Do keep working on your bench as well then !!!!
>
> yar, i know. but not too bad for me, being back into lifting for
> only about 6 months and trying to cut back a bit on bodyfat (hell,
> it's not too bad for me anyways. never was very good at bench, but
> my squats have always responded well...).

Keep it up then

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
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> In news:4p8icaFhfig9U1@individual.net,
> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>> "ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:7rDXg.16218$7I1.1242@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
>>> In news:4p8da7Fhkf8oU1@individual.net,
>>> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>>>> "ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1160684430.837830.249670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
>>>>> start
>>>>> with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/ a
>>>>> 24kg
>>>>> one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to
>>>>> suggestions based on strength in other lifts or some criteria
>>>>> other
>>>>> than whether you're 'average'?
>>>>
>>>> Pavel has said somewhere - I can't remember where - that if you can
>>>> bench more than 200 lbs., start with a 20 kg instead of a 16 kg,
>>>> and
>>>> I
>>>> think he says a 250 bench means you can start with the 24 kg. I've
>>>> been doing this for several years now - post some numbers and your
>>>> age and height/weight, any medical restrictions, injuries, etc.,
>>>> and
>>>> I'll be glad to tell you what I recommend.
>>>
>>> 30yrs old, 6', 178lbs. i'm currently benching 185 x 5 (don't know
>>> 1rm). no
>>> medical restrictions.
>>
>> I get a 1RM of 208 from 185 x 5, so take your pick. Personally, I
>> don't find much use for two sizes close together when they're
>> relatively light, so I'd still get the 35 lb. and then, after a
>> while, the 53 lb., but you can get the 44 lb. if you prefer and
>> you'll stick with it a bit longer. My first experience with swinging
>> the 35 was that it seemed much heavier than it actually was, but
>> after only a few weeks, I got a 53 lb.
>
> if i'll 'outgrow' the 35 pounder to a 53 pounder after just a few
> weeks,
> would it be horrible to start with a 53 pounder?

Outgrow? I still use mine from time to time. Horrible? You will have
be all the more careful. The kettlebell really does have a way of
demanding your attention. I wouldn't recommend the 53, sorry, but
that doesn't mean people your size haven't started with it before.

The best thing to do would be to head over to the DragonDoor forum,
where you'll find a lot of kettlebell users, and ask there. (Even
better would be to see if there's a kettlebell club in your area, where
you could show up to a meeting and just give them a try.) The general
guideline is that swinging a kettlebell feels like swinging a dumbbell
that's about 10 lbs. heavier, so maybe try some dumbbell swings - if you
feel comfortable swinging a 60-65 lb. dumbbell, then a 53 lb. kettlebell
might be an ok place to start. Most people equate the 35 lb. kettlebell
with a 45 lb. dumbbell in terms of swings - it makes sense if you think
about it because of the handle.

>> All this assuming your 185 is pounds. If it's kilograms, you're
>> pretty strong and you can certainly get a 53 lb. to start.
>
> definately pounds. ;D

OK.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In article <4p9hpbFhrshqU1@individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> "ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
> news:mfGXg.6465$NE6.6424@newssvr11.news.prodigy.co m...
> > In news:4p8icaFhfig9U1@individual.net,
> > Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
> >> "ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:7rDXg.16218$7I1.1242@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
> >>> In news:4p8da7Fhkf8oU1@individual.net,
> >>> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
> >>>> "ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:1160684430.837830.249670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >>>>> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
> >>>>> start
> >>>>> with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/ a
> >>>>> 24kg
> >>>>> one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to
> >>>>> suggestions based on strength in other lifts or some criteria
> >>>>> other
> >>>>> than whether you're 'average'?
> >>>>
> >>>> Pavel has said somewhere - I can't remember where - that if you can
> >>>> bench more than 200 lbs., start with a 20 kg instead of a 16 kg,
> >>>> and
> >>>> I
> >>>> think he says a 250 bench means you can start with the 24 kg. I've
> >>>> been doing this for several years now - post some numbers and your
> >>>> age and height/weight, any medical restrictions, injuries, etc.,
> >>>> and
> >>>> I'll be glad to tell you what I recommend.
> >>>
> >>> 30yrs old, 6', 178lbs. i'm currently benching 185 x 5 (don't know
> >>> 1rm). no
> >>> medical restrictions.
> >>
> >> I get a 1RM of 208 from 185 x 5, so take your pick. Personally, I
> >> don't find much use for two sizes close together when they're
> >> relatively light, so I'd still get the 35 lb. and then, after a
> >> while, the 53 lb., but you can get the 44 lb. if you prefer and
> >> you'll stick with it a bit longer. My first experience with swinging
> >> the 35 was that it seemed much heavier than it actually was, but
> >> after only a few weeks, I got a 53 lb.
> >
> > if i'll 'outgrow' the 35 pounder to a 53 pounder after just a few
> > weeks,
> > would it be horrible to start with a 53 pounder?
>
> Outgrow? I still use mine from time to time. Horrible? You will have
> be all the more careful. The kettlebell really does have a way of
> demanding your attention. I wouldn't recommend the 53, sorry, but
> that doesn't mean people your size haven't started with it before.
>
> The best thing to do would be to head over to the DragonDoor forum,
> where you'll find a lot of kettlebell users, and ask there. (Even
> better would be to see if there's a kettlebell club in your area, where
> you could show up to a meeting and just give them a try.) The general
> guideline is that swinging a kettlebell feels like swinging a dumbbell
> that's about 10 lbs. heavier, so maybe try some dumbbell swings - if you
> feel comfortable swinging a 60-65 lb. dumbbell, then a 53 lb. kettlebell
> might be an ok place to start. Most people equate the 35 lb. kettlebell
> with a 45 lb. dumbbell in terms of swings - it makes sense if you think
> about it because of the handle.

Or go and get the adjustable kettlestack handle.

Duh.

--
Keith

"Hobbes" wrote in message
>
> Or go and get the adjustable kettlestack handle.
>
> Duh.
>

Keith, are you being argumentive and hostile here?

You should know better than to mention lower cost alternatives when
discussing the kettlebell religion.

Reason, rational thinking or sensible financial practices are not tolerated
well by the KB faithful.

What were you thinking??

In article <gI6dnYPchMrFPrLYnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:

> "Hobbes" wrote in message
> >
> > Or go and get the adjustable kettlestack handle.
> >
> > Duh.
> >
>
> Keith, are you being argumentive and hostile here?
>
> You should know better than to mention lower cost alternatives when
> discussing the kettlebell religion.
>
> Reason, rational thinking or sensible financial practices are not tolerated
> well by the KB faithful.
>
> What were you thinking??
>

Felt like a fight, dammit.

:^)

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:khobman800-F40234.08463313102006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <gI6dnYPchMrFPrLYnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> "Hobbes" wrote in message
>> >
>> > Or go and get the adjustable kettlestack handle.
>> >
>> > Duh.
>> >
>>
>> Keith, are you being argumentive and hostile here?
>>
>> You should know better than to mention lower cost alternatives when
>> discussing the kettlebell religion.
>>
>> Reason, rational thinking or sensible financial practices are not
>> tolerated
>> well by the KB faithful.
>>
>> What were you thinking??
>>
>
> Felt like a fight, dammit.
>
> :^)

I really do think kettlestacks are fine. For me and the wide variety of
movements I do with a kettlebell, they don't work nearly as well, but if
you're looking to add kettlebell swings to your routine, and not looking
to add repetition snatches or other movements where the bell lands on
the back of the forearm, a kettlestack fits the bill quite nicely.
They're certainly a way to get into seeing what kettlebells are all
about without spending a ton of money. I know some people who do a lot
of single kettlebell work but only a limited amount of two-kettlebell
work who use one fixed weight and one adjustable at the same time.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Dnia 2006-10-13 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>
> that's about 10 lbs. heavier, so maybe try some dumbbell swings - if you
> feel comfortable swinging a 60-65 lb. dumbbell, then

.... grab a heavier dumbbell.

--
Andrzej Rosa

ed wrote:

> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should start
> with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/ a 24kg
> one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to suggestions
> based on strength in other lifts or some criteria other than whether
> you're 'average'?

Why not join a gym and forget about this kettle bell bullshit?


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

In news:453099BF.DFCFB85D@hameggsyahoo.com,
Robert Schuh <rschuh@hameggsyahoo.com> typed:
> ed wrote:
>
>> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
>> start with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/
>> a 24kg one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to
>> suggestions based on strength in other lifts or some criteria other
>> than whether you're 'average'?
>
> Why not join a gym and forget about this kettle bell bullshit?

i'm in a gym (and even go regularly! )- just looking for something i can
play around with on off days when i'm at home...

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> writes:

> "ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
> news:7rDXg.16218$7I1.1242@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
>> In news:4p8da7Fhkf8oU1@individual.net,
>> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>>> "ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1160684430.837830.249670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
>>>> start with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start
>>>> w/ a 24kg one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers
>>>> to suggestions based on strength in other lifts or some criteria
>>>> other than whether you're 'average'?
>>>
>>> Pavel has said somewhere - I can't remember where - that if you
>>> can bench more than 200 lbs., start with a 20 kg instead of a 16
>>> kg, and I think he says a 250 bench means you can start with the
>>> 24 kg. I've been doing this for several years now - post some
>>> numbers and your age and height/weight, any medical restrictions,
>>> injuries, etc., and I'll be glad to tell you what I recommend.
>>
>> 30yrs old, 6', 178lbs. i'm currently benching 185 x 5 (don't know
>> 1rm). no medical restrictions.
>
> I get a 1RM of 208 from 185 x 5, so take your pick. Personally, I
> don't find much use for two sizes close together when they're
> relatively light, so I'd still get the 35 lb. and then, after a
> while, the 53 lb., but you can get the 44 lb. if you prefer and
> you'll stick with it a bit longer. My first experience with
> swinging the 35 was that it seemed much heavier than it actually
> was, but after only a few weeks, I got a 53 lb.
>
> All this assuming your 185 is pounds. If it's kilograms, you're
> pretty strong and you can certainly get a 53 lb. to start.

I'm going to disagree with Steve here. If you can press 24kg over
your head even once then go ahead and get yourself a 24kg kbell. I
wasn't much stronger than you are when I purchased a 24kg kbell, and
having to *reach* a little worked very well for me. Apparently a 24kg
bell is the size that they hand raw recruits in Russia, and I
guarantee you that you are stronger than most completely untrained 18
year-olds. If they can snatch 24kg you can too. In fact, I would be
surprised if within a week of owning a 24kg kbell you weren't doing
sets of 10 with each hand.

I bought a 24kg kbell a few months back (at the time I was really much
stronger than you), and I really feel that I have outgrown it. I'm
already looking to upgrade.

Jason

"ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> writes:

> In news:453099BF.DFCFB85D@hameggsyahoo.com,
> Robert Schuh <rschuh@hameggsyahoo.com> typed:
>> ed wrote:
>>
>>> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
>>> start with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/
>>> a 24kg one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to
>>> suggestions based on strength in other lifts or some criteria other
>>> than whether you're 'average'?
>>
>> Why not join a gym and forget about this kettle bell bullshit?
>
> i'm in a gym (and even go regularly! )- just looking for
> something i can play around with on off days when i'm at home...

Kettlebells are perfect for this sort of thing. I have one at work,
and I love it.

Jason

Jason Earl <jearl@xmission.com> wrote:
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> writes:
>> "ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote
>>>> Pavel has said somewhere - I can't remember where - that if you
>>>> can bench more than 200 lbs., start with a 20 kg instead of a 16
>>>> kg, and I think he says a 250 bench means you can start with the
>>>> 24 kg.
>
> I'm going to disagree with Steve here. If you can press 24kg over
> your head even once then go ahead and get yourself a 24kg kbell.

No no no, this is all wrong. You get a kettlebell no bigger than the
size of your head (but counting the curly fluff)

"Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:87u0265sf7.fsf@workhorse.earlhome...
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> writes:
>
>> "ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:7rDXg.16218$7I1.1242@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
>>> In news:4p8da7Fhkf8oU1@individual.net,
>>> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>>>> "ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1160684430.837830.249670@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
>>>>> start with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start
>>>>> w/ a 24kg one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers
>>>>> to suggestions based on strength in other lifts or some criteria
>>>>> other than whether you're 'average'?
>>>>
>>>> Pavel has said somewhere - I can't remember where - that if you
>>>> can bench more than 200 lbs., start with a 20 kg instead of a 16
>>>> kg, and I think he says a 250 bench means you can start with the
>>>> 24 kg. I've been doing this for several years now - post some
>>>> numbers and your age and height/weight, any medical restrictions,
>>>> injuries, etc., and I'll be glad to tell you what I recommend.
>>>
>>> 30yrs old, 6', 178lbs. i'm currently benching 185 x 5 (don't know
>>> 1rm). no medical restrictions.
>>
>> I get a 1RM of 208 from 185 x 5, so take your pick. Personally, I
>> don't find much use for two sizes close together when they're
>> relatively light, so I'd still get the 35 lb. and then, after a
>> while, the 53 lb., but you can get the 44 lb. if you prefer and
>> you'll stick with it a bit longer. My first experience with
>> swinging the 35 was that it seemed much heavier than it actually
>> was, but after only a few weeks, I got a 53 lb.
>>
>> All this assuming your 185 is pounds. If it's kilograms, you're
>> pretty strong and you can certainly get a 53 lb. to start.
>
> I'm going to disagree with Steve here. If you can press 24kg over
> your head even once then go ahead and get yourself a 24kg kbell. I
> wasn't much stronger than you are when I purchased a 24kg kbell, and
> having to *reach* a little worked very well for me. Apparently a 24kg
> bell is the size that they hand raw recruits in Russia, and I
> guarantee you that you are stronger than most completely untrained 18
> year-olds. If they can snatch 24kg you can too. In fact, I would be
> surprised if within a week of owning a 24kg kbell you weren't doing
> sets of 10 with each hand.
>
> I bought a 24kg kbell a few months back (at the time I was really much
> stronger than you), and I really feel that I have outgrown it. I'm
> already looking to upgrade.

All sounds good enough to me, Jason. When I got my first kettlebell, I
couldn't strict press a 24 kg even though I was side pressing a barbell
that weighed more. My recommendation is a conservative one - the swing
can be hard on the back if you don't do it properly, and many beginners
don't do it properly, which is why I prefer to see people work out the
issues with their form using a lighter weight, all other things being
equal.

Still, there are always uses for a 16 kg bell, e.g., to learn the b/u
(bottoms-up) clean and then the b/u press. Have you tried those with
your 24 kg? FWIW, I've been doing the 24 kg b/u clean semi-regularly of
late, today a few sets of 5 each arm w/o putting the bell down.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

ed wrote:

> In news:453099BF.DFCFB85D@hameggsyahoo.com,
> Robert Schuh <rschuh@hameggsyahoo.com> typed:
> > ed wrote:
> >
> >> all the faq's i see say something like an 'average' person should
> >> start with a 16kg kettlebell, and if you're strong, you can start w/
> >> a 24kg one- um, not really so helpful... anyone have pointers to
> >> suggestions based on strength in other lifts or some criteria other
> >> than whether you're 'average'?
> >
> > Why not join a gym and forget about this kettle bell bullshit?
>
> i'm in a gym (and even go regularly! )- just looking for something i can
> play around with on off days when i'm at home...

That is cool then! :-)


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> writes:

> "Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message

-snip-

>> I bought a 24kg kbell a few months back (at the time I was really
>> much stronger than you), and I really feel that I have outgrown it.
>> I'm already looking to upgrade.
>
> All sounds good enough to me, Jason. When I got my first
> kettlebell, I couldn't strict press a 24 kg even though I was side
> pressing a barbell that weighed more. My recommendation is a
> conservative one - the swing can be hard on the back if you don't do
> it properly, and many beginners don't do it properly, which is why I
> prefer to see people work out the issues with their form using a
> lighter weight, all other things being equal.

You certainly have a lot more experience than I do, especially when it
comes to teaching beginners. It's hard to argue with starting with a
lighter weight for safety reasons. Still, 24kg isn't that much weight
to swing.

> Still, there are always uses for a 16 kg bell, e.g., to learn the b/u
> (bottoms-up) clean and then the b/u press. Have you tried those with
> your 24 kg? FWIW, I've been doing the 24 kg b/u clean semi-regularly of
> late, today a few sets of 5 each arm w/o putting the bell down.

I've tried them, and I can get one pretty reliably right handed. Now
that I know that you can do sets of 5 I will probably give up regular
military presses for a bit .

One thing is certain, when all is said and done I will probably own a
whole pile of kbells. Anyone buying kbells should probably take that
into consideration .

Jason

"Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:87d58t5bws.fsf@workhorse.earlhome...

-snip-

>> Still, there are always uses for a 16 kg bell, e.g., to learn the b/u
>> (bottoms-up) clean and then the b/u press. Have you tried those with
>> your 24 kg? FWIW, I've been doing the 24 kg b/u clean semi-regularly
>> of
>> late, today a few sets of 5 each arm w/o putting the bell down.
>
> I've tried them, and I can get one pretty reliably right handed. Now
> that I know that you can do sets of 5 I will probably give up regular
> military presses for a bit .

I've only been working the b/u clean this go 'round. The b/u press,
because it's not a lot of fun when it fails, isn't something I think I'd
try to do for reps. What I would like to do is get it with a heavier
weight.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> One thing is certain, when all is said and done I will probably own a
> whole pile of kbells. Anyone buying kbells should probably take that
> into consideration .
>
> Jason