What you should know about herbal products and supplements?

Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
natural?
What types of herbal products and supplements are available?
Do any health problems increase the danger of taking herbal products
and supplements?
What are possible side effects of herbal products and supplements?
Can herbal health products or supplements change the way prescription
or OTC drugs work?
Can herbal health products and supplements cause other problems?

Answers on listed question you can find here:
http://herbalnature.blogspot.com/200...ut-herbal.html

And talk here about it.

AleS wrote:
> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
> natural?

No. Belladonna and aflatoxin are natural. Neither are safe. "Natural"
does not confer automatic safety on anything.

> What types of herbal products and supplements are available?

The market knows no bounds.

> Do any health problems increase the danger of taking herbal products
> and supplements?

Yes, e.g., some natural products interfere with blood coagulation and
may cause bleeding if you are taking blood thinners.

> What are possible side effects of herbal products and supplements?

Everything from nothing to death.

> Can herbal health products or supplements change the way prescription
> or OTC drugs work?

Yes.

> Can herbal health products and supplements cause other problems?

Yes.

> Answers on listed question you can find here:
> http://herbalnature.blogspot.com/200...ut-herbal.html
>
> And talk here about it.

Why visit your AdvertSite when you can talk about it here?

AleS wrote:
> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
> natural?

What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had
heart failure. Does that mean water is dangerous? If you were on top
of a really high mountain, you might die for lack of oxygen, but you
could just as easily die of too much oxygen if someone didn't remove
the respirator when trying to save you. Do you want to cut back on
your oxygen? A better question is whether you can compare the odds of
getting well (or dying) using a particular treatment. For instance,
how does Kava, a natural sedative, compare with a prescription drug?

> What types of herbal products and supplements are available?

All types, from combination formulas to individual herbs for specific
applications. My favorites are Rhodiola, Kava, and sleep formulas that
contain several herbal soporifics. You can find a good overview of the
subject at http://www.herbalgram.org.

> Do any health problems increase the danger of taking herbal products
> and supplements?

Sure, your existing health can be a factor in how you respond to
anything you ingest. When you have the flu, do you eat a candy bar?
Why not? While the body is incredibly good at fighting off the ill
effects of junk food, it's more vulnerable when you are already ill.
But why would a vitamin, mineral or other essential nutrient, which
provide the body with good health in the first place, cause you a
problem? Some people, those with certain genetic traits like
hemochromatosis (about 1 in 300), are at risk of getting too much iron,
so they need to avoid taking iron-containing supplements. Regarding
minerals, some forms are less effective, like magnesium oxide, which
works ok as a laxative, however magnesium aspartate or glycinate are
better at supporting overall health. Herbals are more tricky. Many
are contraindicated for pregnant women, and some are more likely to
cause an allergic response (like Valerian, which can cause a skin rash
with prolonged use.) This raises another important point. Don't think
of herbs and essential nutrients as being equivalent in any way. Herbs
do contain various vitamins and minerals, but they also contain
hundreds of phytochemicals found naturally in the plant, and you might
be allergic to one or more of them. This is not typical, but it
happens. It would almost never be life-threatening. For instance,
death by bee sting is more likely than being killed by a dietary
supplement.

99% of our health needs can be addressed with nothing more than basic
nutrition, hopefully a food-based supplement that doesn't contain
synthetic vitamins. If you do choose to use an herbal product, make it
a short-term thing. Herbs are not magic

> What are possible side effects of herbal products and supplements?

See the website mentioned above. Side effects are rare.

> Can herbal health products or supplements change the way prescription
> or OTC drugs work?

It's really the other way around. Drugs interfere with nutrient
uptake. Drug side effects are a disease pathology of their own.
Consult a naturopath about ways to correct any disease process
associated with the long-term use of medication.

> Can herbal health products and supplements cause other problems?

People sometimes consume more supplements than they need. Most people
(those already in good health) need only a multi-vitamin, extra vitamin
C, extra vitamin E, and extra vitamin B.

> Answers on listed question you can find here:
> http://herbalnature.blogspot.com/200...ut-herbal.html
>
> And talk here about it.

Just be careful polling other posters in the newsgroups. See the
"Warning" post at
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....57efa7/?hl=en#.

"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>
> AleS wrote:
>> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
>> natural?
>
> What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
> contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had
> heart failure.

I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.

She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the serum
sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move out of
the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early symptom...causes
death.

Wishing you better guessing in the future.

David

David Cohen wrote:
> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> >
> > AleS wrote:
> >> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
> >> natural?
> >
> > What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
> > contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had
> > heart failure.
>
> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
>
> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the serum
> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move out of
> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early symptom...causes
> death.

Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in the
past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight. Since the other
poster wasn't asking about hyponatremia, however, why are you
attempting to explain it? Nothing better to do?

> Wishing you better guessing in the future.

Wishing you better reasons for posting any time.

"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>> >
>> > AleS wrote:
>> >> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
>> >> natural?
>> >
>> > What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
>> > contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had
>> > heart failure.
>>
>> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
>>
>> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the
>> serum
>> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move out
>> of
>> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
>> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early
>> symptom...causes
>> death.
>
> Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in the
> past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight.

Oversight, huh? Let's see...her death had nothing to do with potassium, and
nothing to do with heart failure, but it was "simply an oversight". Yeah,
sure, whatever you say.

> Since the other
> poster wasn't asking about hyponatremia, however, why are you
> attempting to explain it? Nothing better to do?

I enjoy exposing morons who like to spout off about things they know nothing
about.

But you're not one of THOSE! You just made a simple oversight.

>> Wishing you better guessing in the future.
>
> Wishing you better reasons for posting any time.

My reason is mine. There is no better reason.

David
have pointy stick, will travel crossposts

David Cohen wrote:
>She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the serum
>sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move out of
>the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
>resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early symptom...causes
>death.

Oh... cool, so simply and understandably
Ok, what will a verdict be?

AleS
http://herbalnature.blogspot.com/

In article <aqbth.14160$w91.8238@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>> David Cohen wrote:
>>> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>>> >
>>> > AleS wrote:
>>> >> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
>>> >> natural?
>>> >
>>> > What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
>>> > contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had
>>> > heart failure.
>>>
>>> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
>>>
>>> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the
>>> serum
>>> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move out
>>> of
>>> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
>>> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early
>>> symptom...causes
>>> death.
>>
>> Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in the
>> past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight.
>
>Oversight, huh? Let's see...her death had nothing to do with potassium, and
>nothing to do with heart failure, but it was "simply an oversight". Yeah,
>sure, whatever you say.

PeterB does not admit making mistakes. Not ever.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that
James Baker would have me killed." -- Bill Maher on the Bush twins

"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote
> David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>>> David Cohen wrote:
>>>> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>>>> >
>>>> > AleS wrote:
>>>> >> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
>>>> >> natural?
>>>> >
>>>> > What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
>>>> > contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had
>>>> > heart failure.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
>>>>
>>>> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the
>>>> serum
>>>> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move out
>>>> of
>>>> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
>>>> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early
>>>> symptom...causes
>>>> death.
>>>
>>> Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in the
>>> past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight.
>>
>>Oversight, huh? Let's see...her death had nothing to do with potassium,
>>and
>>nothing to do with heart failure, but it was "simply an oversight". Yeah,
>>sure, whatever you say.
>
> PeterB does not admit making mistakes. Not ever.

Ah, I see. Thank you. Every newsgroup has at least one pompous blowhard who
pontificates on much and knows very little. Crossposts allows us to meet
them occasionally.

David

David Cohen wrote:
> "David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote
>> David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>>>> David Cohen wrote:
>>>>> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> AleS wrote:
>>>>>>> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
>>>>>>> natural?
>>>>>> What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
>>>>>> contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had
>>>>>> heart failure.
>>>>> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
>>>>>
>>>>> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the
>>>>> serum
>>>>> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move out
>>>>> of
>>>>> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
>>>>> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early
>>>>> symptom...causes
>>>>> death.
>>>> Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in the
>>>> past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight.
>>> Oversight, huh? Let's see...her death had nothing to do with potassium,
>>> and
>>> nothing to do with heart failure, but it was "simply an oversight". Yeah,
>>> sure, whatever you say.
>> PeterB does not admit making mistakes. Not ever.
>
> Ah, I see. Thank you. Every newsgroup has at least one pompous blowhard who
> pontificates on much and knows very little. Crossposts allows us to meet
> them occasionally.

Close, David. I dubbed PeteyB with the non-de-newsgroup of
"*P*ontificating *B*lowhard" as that is his stock in trade.

PeterB wrote:
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>>> AleS wrote:
>>>> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
>>>> natural?
>>> What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
>>> contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had
>>> heart failure.
>> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
>>
>> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the serum
>> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move out of
>> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
>> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early symptom...causes
>> death.
>
> Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in the
> past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight. Since the other
> poster wasn't asking about hyponatremia, however, why are you
> attempting to explain it? Nothing better to do?
>
>> Wishing you better guessing in the future.
>
> Wishing you better reasons for posting any time.
>


TEMPER TANTRUM!

David Wright wrote:
> In article <aqbth.14160$w91.8238@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
> David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> >> David Cohen wrote:
> >>> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> >>> >
> >>> > AleS wrote:
> >>> >> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
> >>> >> natural?
> >>> >
> >>> > What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
> >>> > contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had
> >>> > heart failure.
> >>>
> >>> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
> >>>
> >>> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the
> >>> serum
> >>> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move out
> >>> of
> >>> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
> >>> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early
> >>> symptom...causes
> >>> death.
> >>
> >> Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in the
> >> past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight.
> >
> >Oversight, huh? Let's see...her death had nothing to do with potassium, and
> >nothing to do with heart failure, but it was "simply an oversight". Yeah,
> >sure, whatever you say.
>
> PeterB does not admit making mistakes. Not ever.

I just did. But making a mistake doesn't mean it wasn't also an
oversight. I talked about the sodium affect of drinking too much water
earlier. Compare that to your confusion over the difference between a
host and a vector, subsequent statements amplifying the original error,
and your own denials about making a mistake in the first place. But
kudos for excelling at your allegiance to the Hypocritic oath.

David Cohen wrote:
> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> > David Cohen wrote:
> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> >> >
> >> > AleS wrote:
> >> >> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
> >> >> natural?
> >> >
> >> > What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
> >> > contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had
> >> > heart failure.
> >>
> >> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
> >>
> >> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the
> >> serum
> >> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move out
> >> of
> >> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
> >> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early
> >> symptom...causes
> >> death.
> >
> > Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in the
> > past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight.
>
> Oversight, huh? Let's see...her death had nothing to do with potassium, and
> nothing to do with heart failure, but it was "simply an oversight". Yeah,
> sure, whatever you say.

The fact that herbs, like water, are perfectly harmless except in rare
situations, was the point. Your irrelevance, by contrast, is a
distraction to the topic of the thread.

> > Since the other
> > poster wasn't asking about hyponatremia, however, why are you
> > attempting to explain it? Nothing better to do?
>
> I enjoy exposing morons who like to spout off about things they know nothing
> about.

Hardly. You're just a typical pharmonkey trying to create a
distraction, proven by the fact you had nothing to offer on the
poster's original questions.

> But you're not one of THOSE! You just made a simple oversight.
>
> >> Wishing you better guessing in the future.
> >
> > Wishing you better reasons for posting any time.
>
> My reason is mine. There is no better reason.
>
> David
> have pointy stick, will travel crossposts

Don't fall down.

"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>> > David Cohen wrote:
>> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>> >> >
>> >> > AleS wrote:
>> >> >> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
>> >> >> natural?
>> >> >
>> >> > What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
>> >> > contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she
>> >> > had
>> >> > heart failure.
>> >>
>> >> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
>> >>
>> >> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the
>> >> serum
>> >> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move
>> >> out
>> >> of
>> >> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
>> >> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early
>> >> symptom...causes
>> >> death.
>> >
>> > Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in the
>> > past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight.
>>
>> Oversight, huh? Let's see...her death had nothing to do with potassium,
>> and
>> nothing to do with heart failure, but it was "simply an oversight". Yeah,
>> sure, whatever you say.
>
> The fact that herbs, like water, are perfectly harmless except in rare
> situations, was the point. Your irrelevance, by contrast, is a
> distraction to the topic of the thread.

Can't concentrate on more than one point at a time, huh? Making up bullshit
uses all your mental power?

>> > Since the other
>> > poster wasn't asking about hyponatremia, however, why are you
>> > attempting to explain it? Nothing better to do?
>>
>> I enjoy exposing morons who like to spout off about things they know
>> nothing
>> about.
>
> Hardly. You're just a typical pharmonkey

Not only am I a stranger to you, but I am a stranger from another newsgroup,
but, you know I am a "pharmonkey". Psychic pontificating moron. You could be
on "Heroes".

"Save the psychic pontificating moron, save the world".

> trying to create a
> distraction, proven by the fact you had nothing to offer on the
> poster's original questions.

Unlike your offering. You remember your offering, don't you? The bullshit,
incorrect, explanation? Think hard. It was just recently.

>> But you're not one of THOSE! You just made a simple oversight.
>>
>> >> Wishing you better guessing in the future.
>> >
>> > Wishing you better reasons for posting any time.
>>
>> My reason is mine. There is no better reason.
>>
>> David
>> have pointy stick, will travel crossposts
>
> Don't fall down.

Unlike your inability to think about two things at once, I can think, post,
poke morons like you with a pointy stick, chew gum, and walk without falling
down.

Do the others on the short school bus laugh at you a lot?

David

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:vY4th.3877$o31.1386@trndny04...
> AleS wrote:
>
> Yes, e.g., some natural products interfere with blood coagulation and may
> cause bleeding if you are taking blood thinners.
>

The above is an statement made out of ignorance.

Blood thinners are to be adjusted according to food intake, not the other
way around.

Blood thinners are to be minimal if the patient can be convinced of a
correct diet.

Stupid statements are like stating that someone with a broken ankle should
not do jumping jacks for exercise. It does NOT say that people should not
exercise.

The greatest ignorance is someone with some self appointed agenda displays
their ignorance in a News Group like this JUST to be an antagonist and
HAVING ZERO INFORMATION.

Of the newsgroups above, people who have zero knowledge or experience in
misc.health.alternative,misc.fitness.weights,misc. fitness.misc,misc.kids,alt.sport.weightlifting

decide to pass gas.

They are akin to a mental Donkey, completely sterile.

David Cohen wrote:
> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> > David Cohen wrote:
> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> >> > David Cohen wrote:
> >> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >
> >> >> > AleS wrote:
> >> >> >> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
> >> >> >> natural?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
> >> >> > contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she
> >> >> > had
> >> >> > heart failure.
> >> >>
> >> >> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
> >> >>
> >> >> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes the
> >> >> serum
> >> >> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move
> >> >> out
> >> >> of
> >> >> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis. The
> >> >> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early
> >> >> symptom...causes
> >> >> death.
> >> >
> >> > Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in the
> >> > past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight.
> >>
> >> Oversight, huh? Let's see...her death had nothing to do with potassium,
> >> and
> >> nothing to do with heart failure, but it was "simply an oversight". Yeah,
> >> sure, whatever you say.
> >
> > The fact that herbs, like water, are perfectly harmless except in rare
> > situations, was the point. Your irrelevance, by contrast, is a
> > distraction to the topic of the thread.
>
> Can't concentrate on more than one point at a time, huh? Making up bullshit
> uses all your mental power?

Pharmonkey makes mess in playpen. yawn.

> >> > Since the other
> >> > poster wasn't asking about hyponatremia, however, why are you
> >> > attempting to explain it? Nothing better to do?
> >>
> >> I enjoy exposing morons who like to spout off about things they know
> >> nothing
> >> about.
> >
> > Hardly. You're just a typical pharmonkey
>
> Not only am I a stranger to you, but I am a stranger from another newsgroup,
> but, you know I am a "pharmonkey". Psychic pontificating moron. You could be
> on "Heroes".

Your kind is easy to spot. Your kind is sort of like a spot.

> "Save the psychic pontificating moron, save the world".

Save the idiot pharmonkey (for experiments later.)

> > trying to create a
> > distraction, proven by the fact you had nothing to offer on the
> > poster's original questions.
>
> Unlike your offering. You remember your offering, don't you? The bullshit,
> incorrect, explanation? Think hard. It was just recently.

Never put the words "think" and "hard" in the same sentence, you might
hurt yourself.

> >> But you're not one of THOSE! You just made a simple oversight.
> >>
> >> >> Wishing you better guessing in the future.
> >> >
> >> > Wishing you better reasons for posting any time.
> >>
> >> My reason is mine. There is no better reason.
> >>
> >> David
> >> have pointy stick, will travel crossposts
> >
> > Don't fall down.
>
> Unlike your inability to think about two things at once, I can think, post,
> poke morons like you with a pointy stick, chew gum, and walk without falling
> down.

Don't forget masturbation, which you also do standing up.

> Do the others on the short school bus laugh at you a lot?

It's not like that with adults, pharmonkey. Your buddies laugh at you
for very special reasons. That bus will never run out of gas.

PeterB

"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>> > David Cohen wrote:
>> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>> >> > David Cohen wrote:
>> >> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > AleS wrote:
>> >> >> >> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
>> >> >> >> natural?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
>> >> >> > contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she
>> >> >> > had
>> >> >> > heart failure.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> serum
>> >> >> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move
>> >> >> out
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early
>> >> >> symptom...causes
>> >> >> death.
>> >> >
>> >> > Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in
>> >> > the
>> >> > past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight.
>> >>
>> >> Oversight, huh? Let's see...her death had nothing to do with
>> >> potassium,
>> >> and
>> >> nothing to do with heart failure, but it was "simply an oversight".
>> >> Yeah,
>> >> sure, whatever you say.
>> >
>> > The fact that herbs, like water, are perfectly harmless except in rare
>> > situations, was the point. Your irrelevance, by contrast, is a
>> > distraction to the topic of the thread.
>>
>> Can't concentrate on more than one point at a time, huh? Making up
>> bullshit
>> uses all your mental power?
>
> Pharmonkey makes mess in playpen. yawn.

Sorry to interfere with your nap time.

>> >> > Since the other
>> >> > poster wasn't asking about hyponatremia, however, why are you
>> >> > attempting to explain it? Nothing better to do?
>> >>
>> >> I enjoy exposing morons who like to spout off about things they know
>> >> nothing
>> >> about.
>> >
>> > Hardly. You're just a typical pharmonkey
>>
>> Not only am I a stranger to you, but I am a stranger from another
>> newsgroup,
>> but, you know I am a "pharmonkey". Psychic pontificating moron. You could
>> be
>> on "Heroes".
>
> Your kind is easy to spot. Your kind is sort of like a spot.

Sorry. I don't speak Moron. I can't find an online English-Moron dictionary.
Please translate.

>> "Save the psychic pontificating moron, save the world".
>
> Save the idiot pharmonkey (for experiments later.)

Please indicate which quote of mine indicates that I am an idiot. In case
you forgot, here's yours: "The other day, water killed a radio contestant
when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had heart failure."

>> > trying to create a
>> > distraction, proven by the fact you had nothing to offer on the
>> > poster's original questions.
>>
>> Unlike your offering. You remember your offering, don't you? The
>> bullshit,
>> incorrect, explanation? Think hard. It was just recently.
>
> Never put the words "think" and "hard" in the same sentence, you might
> hurt yourself.

Again, no English-Moron dictionary. Please translate.

>> >> But you're not one of THOSE! You just made a simple oversight.
>> >>
>> >> >> Wishing you better guessing in the future.
>> >> >
>> >> > Wishing you better reasons for posting any time.
>> >>
>> >> My reason is mine. There is no better reason.
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >> have pointy stick, will travel crossposts
>> >
>> > Don't fall down.
>>
>> Unlike your inability to think about two things at once, I can think,
>> post,
>> poke morons like you with a pointy stick, chew gum, and walk without
>> falling
>> down.
>
> Don't forget masturbation, which you also do standing up.

If I chose to, yes, I could masturbate standing up. And no, I won't be
sending you jpegs.

>> Do the others on the short school bus laugh at you a lot?
>
> It's not like that with adults, pharmonkey. Your buddies laugh at you
> for very special reasons. That bus will never run out of gas.

Again, no English-Moron dictionary. Please translate.

David

In article <1169406863.699912.325060@51g2000cwl.googlegroups. com>, "AleS"
<salex19@gmail.com> wrote:

> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
> natural?

No.

> What types of herbal products and supplements are available?

Lots and lots

> Do any health problems increase the danger of taking herbal products
> and supplements?

Yes.

> What are possible side effects of herbal products and supplements?

Depends

> Can herbal health products or supplements change the way prescription
> or OTC drugs work?

Yes.

> Can herbal health products and supplements cause other problems?

Yes.


> And talk here about it.

Do I have to?

Oh yes! PLEASE do.
"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:willbrink-2301071732590001@192.168.2.156...
> In article <1169406863.699912.325060@51g2000cwl.googlegroups. com>, "AleS"
> <salex19@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
>> natural?
>
> No.
>
>> What types of herbal products and supplements are available?
>
> Lots and lots
>
>> Do any health problems increase the danger of taking herbal products
>> and supplements?
>
> Yes.
>
>> What are possible side effects of herbal products and supplements?
>
> Depends
>
>> Can herbal health products or supplements change the way prescription
>> or OTC drugs work?
>
> Yes.
>
>> Can herbal health products and supplements cause other problems?
>
> Yes.
>
>
>> And talk here about it.
>
> Do I have to?

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:ENoth.2275$dk1.1594@trndny03...
> PeteyB .
>

David Cohen wrote:
> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> > David Cohen wrote:
> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> >> > David Cohen wrote:
> >> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> >> >> > David Cohen wrote:
> >> >> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > AleS wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
> >> >> >> >> natural?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a radio
> >> >> >> > contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she
> >> >> >> > had
> >> >> >> > heart failure.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water dilutes
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> serum
> >> >> >> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to move
> >> >> >> out
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish homeostasis.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early
> >> >> >> symptom...causes
> >> >> >> death.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels in
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight.
> >> >>
> >> >> Oversight, huh? Let's see...her death had nothing to do with
> >> >> potassium,
> >> >> and
> >> >> nothing to do with heart failure, but it was "simply an oversight".
> >> >> Yeah,
> >> >> sure, whatever you say.
> >> >
> >> > The fact that herbs, like water, are perfectly harmless except in rare
> >> > situations, was the point. Your irrelevance, by contrast, is a
> >> > distraction to the topic of the thread.
> >>
> >> Can't concentrate on more than one point at a time, huh? Making up
> >> bullshit
> >> uses all your mental power?
> >
> > Pharmonkey makes mess in playpen. yawn.
>
> Sorry to interfere with your nap time.
>
> >> >> > Since the other
> >> >> > poster wasn't asking about hyponatremia, however, why are you
> >> >> > attempting to explain it? Nothing better to do?
> >> >>
> >> >> I enjoy exposing morons who like to spout off about things they know
> >> >> nothing
> >> >> about.
> >> >
> >> > Hardly. You're just a typical pharmonkey
> >>
> >> Not only am I a stranger to you, but I am a stranger from another
> >> newsgroup,
> >> but, you know I am a "pharmonkey". Psychic pontificating moron. You could
> >> be
> >> on "Heroes".
> >
> > Your kind is easy to spot. Your kind is sort of like a spot.
>
> Sorry. I don't speak Moron. I can't find an online English-Moron dictionary.
> Please translate.

No comprende pharmonkey. Slap tree 3 times for "yes," bang head 4
times for "no"

> >> "Save the psychic pontificating moron, save the world".
> >
> > Save the idiot pharmonkey (for experiments later.)
>
> Please indicate which quote of mine indicates that I am an idiot. In case
> you forgot, here's yours: "The other day, water killed a radio contestant
> when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had heart failure."

The fact you continue to attack me for an error I already admitted
makes you not only an idiot, but a pharmonkey. And the fact that she
died of brain swelling was not the point, but rather the fact she died
from something as "safe" as water. That you didn't get that (or
pretended not to) makes you a tree-slapping pharmonkey. Ok, so that's
redundant.

> >> > trying to create a
> >> > distraction, proven by the fact you had nothing to offer on the
> >> > poster's original questions.
> >>
> >> Unlike your offering. You remember your offering, don't you? The
> >> bullshit,
> >> incorrect, explanation? Think hard. It was just recently.
> >
> > Never put the words "think" and "hard" in the same sentence, you might
> > hurt yourself.
>
> Again, no English-Moron dictionary. Please translate.

Maybe this old Confucius story will help. Confucius said, "Pharmonkey
believe that when he slap tree, he make noise. Pharmonkey right. But
when pharmonkey hit tree, jungle not hear him." The student asked,
"Why, old wise one -- why the jungle not hear pharmonkey?" Confucius
answer: "Because jungle smart, pharmonkey idiot."

> >> >> But you're not one of THOSE! You just made a simple oversight.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Wishing you better guessing in the future.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wishing you better reasons for posting any time.
> >> >>
> >> >> My reason is mine. There is no better reason.
> >> >>
> >> >> David
> >> >> have pointy stick, will travel crossposts
> >> >
> >> > Don't fall down.
> >>
> >> Unlike your inability to think about two things at once, I can think,
> >> post,
> >> poke morons like you with a pointy stick, chew gum, and walk without
> >> falling
> >> down.
> >
> > Don't forget masturbation, which you also do standing up.
>
> If I chose to, yes, I could masturbate standing up. And no, I won't be
> sending you jpegs.

No thanks.

> >> Do the others on the short school bus laugh at you a lot?
> >
> > It's not like that with adults, pharmonkey. Your buddies laugh at you
> > for very special reasons. That bus will never run out of gas.
>
> Again, no English-Moron dictionary. Please translate.

Slap tree 3 times for "yes," bang head 4 times for "no"

"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>> > David Cohen wrote:
>> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>> >> > David Cohen wrote:
>> >> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> > David Cohen wrote:
>> >> >> >> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > AleS wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Are herbal health products and supplements safe because
>> >> >> >> >> they're
>> >> >> >> >> natural?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > What do you mean by "safe?" The other day, water killed a
>> >> >> >> > radio
>> >> >> >> > contestant when she diluted her potassium levels to the point
>> >> >> >> > she
>> >> >> >> > had
>> >> >> >> > heart failure.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I didn't notice alt.soc.makeshitup in the crossposts.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> She died because of hyponatremia...low sodium. The water
>> >> >> >> dilutes
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> serum
>> >> >> >> sodium, reducing the osmolarity of the blood, causing water to
>> >> >> >> move
>> >> >> >> out
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the blood and into the cells in order to reestablish
>> >> >> >> homeostasis.
>> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> resulting swelling of the brain...her headache was an early
>> >> >> >> symptom...causes
>> >> >> >> death.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Having talked about hyponatremia and its effect on sodium levels
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > past, the potassium reference was simply an oversight.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Oversight, huh? Let's see...her death had nothing to do with
>> >> >> potassium,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> nothing to do with heart failure, but it was "simply an oversight".
>> >> >> Yeah,
>> >> >> sure, whatever you say.
>> >> >
>> >> > The fact that herbs, like water, are perfectly harmless except in
>> >> > rare
>> >> > situations, was the point. Your irrelevance, by contrast, is a
>> >> > distraction to the topic of the thread.
>> >>
>> >> Can't concentrate on more than one point at a time, huh? Making up
>> >> bullshit
>> >> uses all your mental power?
>> >
>> > Pharmonkey makes mess in playpen. yawn.
>>
>> Sorry to interfere with your nap time.
>>
>> >> >> > Since the other
>> >> >> > poster wasn't asking about hyponatremia, however, why are you
>> >> >> > attempting to explain it? Nothing better to do?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I enjoy exposing morons who like to spout off about things they
>> >> >> know
>> >> >> nothing
>> >> >> about.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hardly. You're just a typical pharmonkey
>> >>
>> >> Not only am I a stranger to you, but I am a stranger from another
>> >> newsgroup,
>> >> but, you know I am a "pharmonkey". Psychic pontificating moron. You
>> >> could
>> >> be
>> >> on "Heroes".
>> >
>> > Your kind is easy to spot. Your kind is sort of like a spot.
>>
>> Sorry. I don't speak Moron. I can't find an online English-Moron
>> dictionary.
>> Please translate.
>
> No comprende pharmonkey. Slap tree 3 times for "yes," bang head 4
> times for "no"


Continuing to speak Moron is not helpful.


>> >> "Save the psychic pontificating moron, save the world".
>> >
>> > Save the idiot pharmonkey (for experiments later.)
>>
>> Please indicate which quote of mine indicates that I am an idiot. In case
>> you forgot, here's yours: "The other day, water killed a radio contestant
>> when she diluted her potassium levels to the point she had heart
>> failure."
>
> The fact you continue to attack me for an error I already admitted
> makes you not only an idiot, but a pharmonkey.


You claimed to make an "oversight", when in fact you are a pompous moron who
pontificates on things of which you are ignorant and get defensive when
someone who actually does know what he is talking about points out that you
are a moron.


> And the fact that she
> died of brain swelling was not the point, but rather the fact she died
> from something as "safe" as water. That you didn't get that (or
> pretended not to) makes you a tree-slapping pharmonkey. Ok, so that's
> redundant.


Speaking Moron is not helpful. Please stop.


>> >> > trying to create a
>> >> > distraction, proven by the fact you had nothing to offer on the
>> >> > poster's original questions.
>> >>
>> >> Unlike your offering. You remember your offering, don't you? The
>> >> bullshit,
>> >> incorrect, explanation? Think hard. It was just recently.
>> >
>> > Never put the words "think" and "hard" in the same sentence, you might
>> > hurt yourself.
>>
>> Again, no English-Moron dictionary. Please translate.
>
> Maybe this old Confucius story will help. Confucius said, "Pharmonkey
> believe that when he slap tree, he make noise. Pharmonkey right. But
> when pharmonkey hit tree, jungle not hear him." The student asked,
> "Why, old wise one -- why the jungle not hear pharmonkey?" Confucius
> answer: "Because jungle smart, pharmonkey idiot."


If you are going to continue to speak Moron without the simple courtesy of
providing an English-Moron translation website, we may not be able to
continue our discussion.


>> >> >> But you're not one of THOSE! You just made a simple oversight.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Wishing you better guessing in the future.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Wishing you better reasons for posting any time.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My reason is mine. There is no better reason.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> David
>> >> >> have pointy stick, will travel crossposts
>> >> >
>> >> > Don't fall down.
>> >>
>> >> Unlike your inability to think about two things at once, I can think,
>> >> post,
>> >> poke morons like you with a pointy stick, chew gum, and walk without
>> >> falling
>> >> down.
>> >
>> > Don't forget masturbation, which you also do standing up.
>>
>> If I chose to, yes, I could masturbate standing up. And no, I won't be
>> sending you jpegs.
>
> No thanks.
>
>> >> Do the others on the short school bus laugh at you a lot?
>> >
>> > It's not like that with adults, pharmonkey. Your buddies laugh at you
>> > for very special reasons. That bus will never run out of gas.
>>
>> Again, no English-Moron dictionary. Please translate.
>
> Slap tree 3 times for "yes," bang head 4 times for "no"

I'm going to have to end our little discussion. You continue to speak Moron
without providing English translation, and your kicking, screaming, and
crying on the floor is disturbing the other "special" folks in your
classroom.

But do feel free to crosspost your idiocy anytime. I have a large supply of
pointy sticks.

David

"PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
> "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> > But do feel free to crosspost your idiocy anytime. I have a large supply of
> > pointy sticks.

> I'm here almost every day, fuzzy.

What a dickless piece of shit you truly are, you whiny little cunt. You
trimmed all the newsgroups from the headers except your own, so you
could "reply" to my last post without me seeing it.

Surprise. Here I am. And now everyone in misc.health.alternative knows
what a dickless, whiny, cunt you really are. Go hide under your bed and
tremble in your Princess Polly 'jamies.

I don't argue with little frightened girls. Buh bye.

David

i don't agree with your idea .everybody knows that herbal health
products are little side effict ,in China ,it has been used from
thoughts of years ago and showed its supernatural effict .in fact ,it
is still widely used in China ,and other Asia countries .

moreover it is being accepted by more and more people .

i find many useful information from this website

www.htkzl.com



On 1ÔÂ22ÈÕ, ÏÂÎç11ʱ43·Ö, Mark Probert
<markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> AleS wrote:
> > Are herbal health products and supplements safe because they're
> > natural?No. Belladonna and aflatoxin are natural. Neither are safe. "Natural"
> does not confer automatic safety on anything.
>
> > What types of herbal products and supplements are available?The market knows no bounds.
>
> > Do any health problems increase the danger of taking herbal products
> > and supplements?Yes, e.g., some natural products interfere with blood coagulation and
> may cause bleeding if you are taking blood thinners.
>
> > What are possible side effects of herbal products and supplements?Everything from nothing to death.
>
> > Can herbal health products or supplements change the way prescription
> > or OTC drugs work?Yes.
>
> > Can herbal health products and supplements cause other problems?Yes.
>
> > Answers on listed question you can find here:
> >http://herbalnature.blogspot.com/200...d-know-about-h...
>
> > And talk here about it.Why visit your AdvertSite when you can talk about it here?