Whey protein reaction?

I've been using whey protein for about 18 months now, but have
recently increased my intake to 3 shakes a day (instead of 2).

After the increase, I've started noticing a rather odd problem,
though. About 15 minutes after drinking it, my face, neck, and
shoulders get a little tingly / itchy / burny. This was particular
tough yesterday when doing bench press; for the first 20 minutes of
the workout, I was so itchy that I couldn't really concentrate on the
workout!

The protein I'm taking (GNC brand) does have a lot of amino acids in
it (arginine, alanine, leucine, and a bunch of other -ines), but not
taurine, and I don't think that any of the others are specifically an
energy booster.

Do you guys think that this is something that my body will adjust to,
or is it an indicator of an allergy or other problem?

In article
<44c283e8-34d5-42de-882c-64e6fede04ee@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Jason Carlton <jwcarlton@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been using whey protein for about 18 months now, but have
> recently increased my intake to 3 shakes a day (instead of 2).
>
> After the increase, I've started noticing a rather odd problem,
> though. About 15 minutes after drinking it, my face, neck, and
> shoulders get a little tingly / itchy / burny. This was particular
> tough yesterday when doing bench press; for the first 20 minutes of
> the workout, I was so itchy that I couldn't really concentrate on the
> workout!
>
> The protein I'm taking (GNC brand) does have a lot of amino acids in
> it (arginine, alanine, leucine, and a bunch of other -ines), but not
> taurine, and I don't think that any of the others are specifically an
> energy booster.
>
> Do you guys think that this is something that my body will adjust to,
> or is it an indicator of an allergy or other problem?

Allergies can't be ruled out... What are you mixing it with?

Have you tried another brand?
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

> > Do you guys think that this is something that my body will adjust to,
> > or is it an indicator of an allergy or other problem?
>
> Allergies can't be ruled out... What are you mixing it with?

I was mixing with 2% milk, but then I started thinking about the extra
calories so I started mixing with water. I'm having the same problem
either way, so I don't think it's a lactose intolerance or anything
like that.


> Have you tried another brand?

I do use Pro Slam shots just before the workout on bench-press and
squat day just because I'm not quite a sloshy during the workout, but
have the same tingly feeling afterward. Of course, those probably have
the same (if not more) amino acids, so it doesn't rule anything out.

I have used other brands in the past, but not since I increased the
dosage. I've used the GNC brand for about 6 months, though, on the
lower dosage, because at buy-one-get-one-half-off, it's been cheaper
than anything else I've found.

Thanks, Om,

Jason

In article
<7f197429-45f5-437f-86be-07da69cb73c6@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Jason Carlton <jwcarlton@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Do you guys think that this is something that my body will adjust to,
> > > or is it an indicator of an allergy or other problem?
> >
> > Allergies can't be ruled out... What are you mixing it with?
>
> I was mixing with 2% milk, but then I started thinking about the extra
> calories so I started mixing with water. I'm having the same problem
> either way, so I don't think it's a lactose intolerance or anything
> like that.
>
>
> > Have you tried another brand?
>
> I do use Pro Slam shots just before the workout on bench-press and
> squat day just because I'm not quite a sloshy during the workout, but
> have the same tingly feeling afterward. Of course, those probably have
> the same (if not more) amino acids, so it doesn't rule anything out.
>
> I have used other brands in the past, but not since I increased the
> dosage. I've used the GNC brand for about 6 months, though, on the
> lower dosage, because at buy-one-get-one-half-off, it's been cheaper
> than anything else I've found.
>
> Thanks, Om,
>
> Jason

Hmmmm... Back when I first started weight lifting and following a high
protein diet, I started having issues with nocturnal quadricep cramping.
Very painful. Sometimes when you do extra protein, you get an increased
calcium loss thru the kidneys. The milk gave you that extra calcium.

When mom and I used to donate platelets at the blood bank, they used a
calcium chelator in the IV line to keep the blood running thru the
machine from clotting. They remove your blood, separate out the
platelets, then return your blood to you thru the lines.

The warned you that if your lips or arms started tingling to tell them.
It meant too much calcium was being tied up. Their "cure" was to stuff a
handful of tums or rolaids into your mouth to bring the blood levels
back up quickly.

Calcium taken by itself is not really used as well as a balanced
multi-mineral that balances Calcium, Magnesium and Phosphorous according
to my old nutrition guru. ;-) He was right.

My quad cramping did not go away when I took just calcium. It went away
when I started taking a balanced multi-mineral ("NOW" brand full
spectrum minerals).

While I'm not entirely sure that is your problem, (far be it to anyone
to listen to or give medical advice on usenet <g>), you may consider
taking such a supplement with your shake and see if the problem goes
away...

Cheers! :-)
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

> Hmmmm... Back when I first started weight lifting and following a high
> protein diet, I started having issues with nocturnal quadricep cramping.
> Very painful. Sometimes when you do extra protein, you get an increased
> calcium loss thru the kidneys. The milk gave you that extra calcium.
>
> When mom and I used to donate platelets at the blood bank, they used a
> calcium chelator in the IV line to keep the blood running thru the
> machine from clotting. They remove your blood, separate out the
> platelets, then return your blood to you thru the lines.
>
> The warned you that if your lips or arms started tingling to tell them.
> It meant too much calcium was being tied up. Their "cure" was to stuff a
> handful of tums or rolaids into your mouth to bring the blood levels
> back up quickly.
>
> Calcium taken by itself is not really used as well as a balanced
> multi-mineral that balances Calcium, Magnesium and Phosphorous according
> to my old nutrition guru. ;-) *He was right.
>
> My quad cramping did not go away when I took just calcium. *It went away
> when I started taking a balanced multi-mineral ("NOW" brand full
> spectrum minerals).
>
> While I'm not entirely sure that is your problem, (far be it to anyone
> to listen to or give medical advice on usenet <g>), you may consider
> taking such a supplement with your shake and see if the problem goes
> away...

I used to take coral calcium as a thermogenic, but stopped a couple of
months ago because I wasn't really noticing a difference. At first I
did, but my body adjusted pretty quickly. I have been taking a
multivitamin for awhile, but I haven't thought to check on the level
of calcium in it.

Now that you mention it, though, I remember many years ago when I
first started lifting, I had problems with my right elbow just locking
up in the middle of a lift. After much guesswork, it was finally
attributed to calcium deposits. So it does seem logical that my body
doesn't really work with calcium the way that it should, so I think
I'll try adjusting the multivitamin and see what happens.

Thanks for the tip! I'll let you know how it goes after a couple of
weeks.

> I used to take coral calcium as a thermogenic, but stopped a couple of
> months ago because I wasn't really noticing a difference. At first I
> did, but my body adjusted pretty quickly. I have been taking a
> multivitamin for awhile, but I haven't thought to check on the level
> of calcium in it.

Turns out that the multivitamin I've been taking only has 60mg of
calcium. Hmm.

I guess this is just an opinion question, but if you were me, would
you mix the protein with milk for the extra calcium and extra 8g of
protein, or stick with water and take a daily 1000mg coral calcium
supplement?

I really like taking the protein with milk, but 3 shakes a day brings
me up to almost 900 calories a day in just protein shakes! As opposed
to 480 calories if I take it with water. I'm concerned that the extra
calories are going to add to fat instead of muscle.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Jason Carlton wrote:

>> I used to take coral calcium as a thermogenic, but stopped a couple of
>> months ago because I wasn't really noticing a difference. At first I
>> did, but my body adjusted pretty quickly. I have been taking a
>> multivitamin for awhile, but I haven't thought to check on the level
>> of calcium in it.
>
> Turns out that the multivitamin I've been taking only has 60mg of
> calcium. Hmm.
>
> I guess this is just an opinion question, but if you were me, would
> you mix the protein with milk for the extra calcium and extra 8g of
> protein, or stick with water and take a daily 1000mg coral calcium
> supplement?

I'd go for the milk because of the evidence that consuming some fat along
with your protein boosts muscle protein synthesis. And also because it
tastes nicer.

> I really like taking the protein with milk, but 3 shakes a day brings me
> up to almost 900 calories a day in just protein shakes! As opposed to
> 480 calories if I take it with water. I'm concerned that the extra
> calories are going to add to fat instead of muscle.

That's 420 extra calories, which is certainly not exactly inconsiderable.
But still, it's just 420 calories of other stuff you have to not eat.
Either have a green salad for dinner, or Warrior it up and skip lunch.

Also, is coral calcium the most gratuitously environmentally unfriendly
thing ever, or what? Is it actually made of coral?

tom

--
Optical illusions are terrorism of the mind.

In article
<eca4b55e-519a-4290-adba-400433c21eca@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
Jason Carlton <jwcarlton@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Hmmmm... Back when I first started weight lifting and following a high
> > protein diet, I started having issues with nocturnal quadricep cramping.
> > Very painful. Sometimes when you do extra protein, you get an increased
> > calcium loss thru the kidneys. The milk gave you that extra calcium.
> >
> > When mom and I used to donate platelets at the blood bank, they used a
> > calcium chelator in the IV line to keep the blood running thru the
> > machine from clotting. They remove your blood, separate out the
> > platelets, then return your blood to you thru the lines.
> >
> > The warned you that if your lips or arms started tingling to tell them.
> > It meant too much calcium was being tied up. Their "cure" was to stuff a
> > handful of tums or rolaids into your mouth to bring the blood levels
> > back up quickly.
> >
> > Calcium taken by itself is not really used as well as a balanced
> > multi-mineral that balances Calcium, Magnesium and Phosphorous according
> > to my old nutrition guru. ;-) *He was right.
> >
> > My quad cramping did not go away when I took just calcium. *It went away
> > when I started taking a balanced multi-mineral ("NOW" brand full
> > spectrum minerals).
> >
> > While I'm not entirely sure that is your problem, (far be it to anyone
> > to listen to or give medical advice on usenet <g>), you may consider
> > taking such a supplement with your shake and see if the problem goes
> > away...
>
> I used to take coral calcium as a thermogenic, but stopped a couple of
> months ago because I wasn't really noticing a difference. At first I
> did, but my body adjusted pretty quickly. I have been taking a
> multivitamin for awhile, but I haven't thought to check on the level
> of calcium in it.
>
> Now that you mention it, though, I remember many years ago when I
> first started lifting, I had problems with my right elbow just locking
> up in the middle of a lift. After much guesswork, it was finally
> attributed to calcium deposits. So it does seem logical that my body
> doesn't really work with calcium the way that it should, so I think
> I'll try adjusting the multivitamin and see what happens.
>
> Thanks for the tip! I'll let you know how it goes after a couple of
> weeks.

Good luck!

There are better thermogenics...
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

In article
<916df774-b57e-454e-9d4e-4475e57028a8@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Jason Carlton <jwcarlton@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I used to take coral calcium as a thermogenic, but stopped a couple of
> > months ago because I wasn't really noticing a difference. At first I
> > did, but my body adjusted pretty quickly. I have been taking a
> > multivitamin for awhile, but I haven't thought to check on the level
> > of calcium in it.
>
> Turns out that the multivitamin I've been taking only has 60mg of
> calcium. Hmm.
>
> I guess this is just an opinion question, but if you were me, would
> you mix the protein with milk for the extra calcium and extra 8g of
> protein, or stick with water and take a daily 1000mg coral calcium
> supplement?

I'd forget Coral Calcium (too expensive) and try a multi-mineral
supplement that balanced calcium, magnesium and Phosphorous. And yes, 1K
mg. of Calcium per day is the USRDA and what has worked for me.

I, too, am leery of the extra calories that milk supplies. I've not had
milk in years.

>
> I really like taking the protein with milk, but 3 shakes a day brings
> me up to almost 900 calories a day in just protein shakes! As opposed
> to 480 calories if I take it with water. I'm concerned that the extra
> calories are going to add to fat instead of muscle.

I understand. ;-)

Besides, a pill is less trouble and at the price of milk nowadays, far
cheaper!
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

> That's 420 extra calories, which is certainly not exactly inconsiderable.
> But still, it's just 420 calories of other stuff you have to not eat.
> Either have a green salad for dinner, or Warrior it up and skip lunch.

I was thinking along the same lines of switching to a salad for
dinner. I'm having a hard time with about 20lbs of fat that I've been
fighting for about a year and a half now. I'm doing cardio 3-4 days a
week, I've completely removed white flour from my diet (which is a big
change for me), and drink only water and unsweetened tea (another big
change; I used to drink 4-5 sodas a day), but I haven't lost so much
as 1/4" around my waist.


> Also, is coral calcium the most gratuitously environmentally unfriendly
> thing ever, or what? Is it actually made of coral?

I might be wrong about this one, but I was of the understanding that
coral calcium really came from the shells of shellfish. So it's not
REALLY coral, but more like oyster shell. At least, that's my
understanding.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Jason Carlton wrote:

>> That's 420 extra calories, which is certainly not exactly inconsiderable.
>> But still, it's just 420 calories of other stuff you have to not eat.
>> Either have a green salad for dinner, or Warrior it up and skip lunch.
>
> I was thinking along the same lines of switching to a salad for dinner.
> I'm having a hard time with about 20lbs of fat that I've been fighting
> for about a year and a half now. I'm doing cardio 3-4 days a week, I've
> completely removed white flour from my diet (which is a big change for
> me), and drink only water and unsweetened tea (another big change; I
> used to drink 4-5 sodas a day), but I haven't lost so much as 1/4"
> around my waist.

TWINS!!!

Sometimes, i can lose weight fairly easily, by exactly the same method -
cut out the unneccessary calories like sugar in my drinks and coffee,
biscuits and chocolate bars during the day, butter in my sandwiches, etc.
Then i get to a point where that doesn't work, and i switch to salads for
dinner. Then i get to a point where that doesn't work either, and i still
have a little pot belly.

I probably don't do enough cardio, though.

>> Also, is coral calcium the most gratuitously environmentally unfriendly
>> thing ever, or what? Is it actually made of coral?
>
> I might be wrong about this one, but I was of the understanding that
> coral calcium really came from the shells of shellfish. So it's not
> REALLY coral, but more like oyster shell. At least, that's my
> understanding.

You got me interested, so i looked it up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Calcium

It's made from fossilised coral deposits, which basically means limestone.
I can't see any reason to think it'd be superior to calcium carbonate from
any other source.

tom

--
No noon today. Noon tomorrow. There's always a noon tomorrow.

In article
<40b5ce4a-aa4c-47a5-a295-5c7ce2787eb3@a2g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
Jason Carlton <jwcarlton@gmail.com> wrote:

> > That's 420 extra calories, which is certainly not exactly inconsiderable.
> > But still, it's just 420 calories of other stuff you have to not eat.
> > Either have a green salad for dinner, or Warrior it up and skip lunch.
>
> I was thinking along the same lines of switching to a salad for
> dinner. I'm having a hard time with about 20lbs of fat that I've been
> fighting for about a year and a half now. I'm doing cardio 3-4 days a
> week, I've completely removed white flour from my diet (which is a big
> change for me), and drink only water and unsweetened tea (another big
> change; I used to drink 4-5 sodas a day), but I haven't lost so much
> as 1/4" around my waist.
>
>
> > Also, is coral calcium the most gratuitously environmentally unfriendly
> > thing ever, or what? Is it actually made of coral?
>
> I might be wrong about this one, but I was of the understanding that
> coral calcium really came from the shells of shellfish. So it's not
> REALLY coral, but more like oyster shell. At least, that's my
> understanding.

http://bigai.world.coocan.jp/wwwboar...mes03/291.html

Calcium Carbonate. Tums/Rolaids are cheaper. ;-)

In my personal opinion, coral calcium is a lot of hype.
You are better off taking a good quality balanced multi-mineral...
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

On Jul 23, 2:21 pm, Jason Carlton <jwcarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been using whey protein for about 18 months now, but have
> recently increased my intake to 3 shakes a day (instead of 2).
>
> After the increase, I've started noticing a rather odd problem,
> though. About 15 minutes after drinking it, my face, neck, and
> shoulders get a little tingly / itchy / burny.

This sounds very much like a reaction to a large amount of a B-group
vitamin, namely niacin or Vitamin B3.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niacin#Toxicity

Have a look at the ingredients listing, and see if the powder you are
using is fortified with VitaminB3/Niacin. If it is, that may be the
cause.

On Jul 28, 8:02*pm, misanthropic_curmudgeon
<misanthropiccurmudg...@breastcancermail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 2:21 pm, Jason Carlton <jwcarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've been using whey protein for about 18 months now, but have
> > recently increased my intake to 3 shakes a day (instead of 2).
>
> > After the increase, I've started noticing a rather odd problem,
> > though. About 15 minutes after drinking it, my face, neck, and
> > shoulders get a little tingly / itchy / burny.
>
> This sounds very much like a reaction to a large amount of a B-group
> vitamin, namely niacin or Vitamin B3.
>
> Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niacin#Toxicity
>
> Have a look at the ingredients listing, and see if the powder you are
> using is fortified with VitaminB3/Niacin. *If it is, that may be the
> cause.

It doesn't say anything about niacin, but it does have a big chunk of
L-arginine. I know that L-arginine is pretty much the same as "nitric
oxide boosters," so would niacin be the same thing?

I read the link you gave, and you're right that the symptoms mentioned
sound very similar to what I have experienced. It wasn't as bad today,
so I can't tell if I'm growing accustomed to it like Wikipedia said,
or if the calcium is helping.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:29:39 +0100, Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Jason Carlton wrote:
>
>>> That's 420 extra calories, which is certainly not exactly inconsiderable.
>>> But still, it's just 420 calories of other stuff you have to not eat.
>>> Either have a green salad for dinner, or Warrior it up and skip lunch.
>>
>> I was thinking along the same lines of switching to a salad for dinner.
>> I'm having a hard time with about 20lbs of fat that I've been fighting
>> for about a year and a half now. I'm doing cardio 3-4 days a week, I've
>> completely removed white flour from my diet (which is a big change for
>> me), and drink only water and unsweetened tea (another big change; I
>> used to drink 4-5 sodas a day), but I haven't lost so much as 1/4"
>> around my waist.
>
>TWINS!!!
>
>Sometimes, i can lose weight fairly easily, by exactly the same method -
>cut out the unneccessary calories like sugar in my drinks and coffee,
>biscuits and chocolate bars during the day, butter in my sandwiches, etc.
>Then i get to a point where that doesn't work, and i switch to salads for
>dinner. Then i get to a point where that doesn't work either, and i still
>have a little pot belly.
>
>I probably don't do enough cardio, though.
>
>>> Also, is coral calcium the most gratuitously environmentally unfriendly
>>> thing ever, or what? Is it actually made of coral?
>>
>> I might be wrong about this one, but I was of the understanding that
>> coral calcium really came from the shells of shellfish. So it's not
>> REALLY coral, but more like oyster shell. At least, that's my
>> understanding.
>
>You got me interested, so i looked it up:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Calcium
>
>It's made from fossilised coral deposits, which basically means limestone.
>I can't see any reason to think it'd be superior to calcium carbonate from
>any other source.

It's the fish shit that makes the difference.

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