__ Boner? - Researchers Turn Bone Stem Cells into Sperm Cells __

German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells


German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem cells taken from
human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a first step towards creating
artificial sperm cells.

If researchers succeeded in turning the primitive sperm cells into mature sperm,
it could provide new and better treatments for infertility.

A team led by Dr. Karim Nayernia at the University of Gottingen in Germany
reported that they obtained the bone marrow stem cells from four adult men who
were about to undergo bone marrow transplants. The researchers mixed these cells
with proteins that promote cell growth and vitamin A, which appears to play an
important role in sperm development. This mixture converted the cells into sperm
stem cells, called spermatogonium cells.

Sperm stem cells are normally found in the testes, where they divide to help
provide a continuous supply of sperm. Nayernia said his ongoing experiments have
suggested that sperm cells derived from the bone stem cells of mice can undergo
the first two of three divisions necessary to become mature sperm capable of
fertilizing eggs. He said that his team would work to achieve all the necessary
divisions in mice before trying similar manipulations with human cells.

According to Nayernia, developing the spermatogonial stem cells into mature
sperm in the laboratory should take around three to five years of experiments.

Some experts, however, cautioned that turning sperm stem cells derived from bone
marrow into functioning sperm would be extremely challenging, so it is premature
to talk about a new form of infertility treatment.

Stem cell biologist Harry Moore at the University of Sheffield in Britain has
expressed the worry that sperm created from bone stem cells could have
undetectable abnormalities that could cause disease in offspring.

_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
> German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells


> German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem cells taken
> from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a first step towards
> creating artificial sperm cells.

Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!

Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
:-(

--
Tamdiu discendum est, quamdiu vivas.
Seneca

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:54:12 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
wrote:

>Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!

Not enough intelligent ones, but a lot who seem to live by the adage,
"God will provide, no matter how badly we screw up".

Al Klein wrote :
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:54:12 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
> wrote:

>> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!

> Not enough intelligent ones, but a lot who seem to live by the adage,
> "God will provide, no matter how badly we screw up".

*nod* Until the earth says "enough" and we have another mass
extinction.

--
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito.

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:35:25 -0400, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<4p332356vlreo98letise229q7gjtrlaoo@4ax.com>:
>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:54:12 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
>
>Not enough intelligent ones, but a lot who seem to live by the adage,
>"God will provide, no matter how badly we screw up".

Famine, pestilence, war, and death are traditionally the way God
provides for this.

In article <mn.72ca7d74fc5e2fba.73271@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:

> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
> > German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells
>
>
> > German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem cells taken
> > from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a first step towards
> > creating artificial sperm cells.
>
> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
>
> Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
> :-(

I suppose it could be of help to men who due to injury or disease cannot
produce sperm normally. Of course whenever I hear of these expensive and
possibly risky new fertility methods I always ask myself: "There are
millions of children around the earth who have lost their parents or
abandoned and would love to have a family. Why not adopt?"

Is it really that important to have our own genes in the next
generation?

Also before we bring more people to this planet, shouldn't we give a
thought to those already here?
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:07:47 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
- Refer: <rhc3231uneuenpnodo20p9jgpd24ibcurl@4ax.com>
>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:35:25 -0400, in alt.atheism
>Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
><4p332356vlreo98letise229q7gjtrlaoo@4ax.com>:
>>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:54:12 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
>>
>>Not enough intelligent ones, but a lot who seem to live by the adage,
>>"God will provide, no matter how badly we screw up".
>
>Famine, pestilence, war, and death are traditionally the way God
>provides for this.

The Four Whores-men of the Acropolis?

--

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:28:58 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-F6D950.00285815042007@news.giganews.com>
>In article <mn.72ca7d74fc5e2fba.73271@att.net>,
> Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
>
>> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
>> > German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells
>>
>>
>> > German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem cells taken
>> > from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a first step towards
>> > creating artificial sperm cells.
>>
>> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
>>
>> Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
>> :-(
>
>I suppose it could be of help to men who due to injury or disease cannot
>produce sperm normally. Of course whenever I hear of these expensive and
>possibly risky new fertility methods I always ask myself: "There are
>millions of children around the earth who have lost their parents or
>abandoned and would love to have a family. Why not adopt?"
>
>Is it really that important to have our own genes in the next
>generation?
>
>Also before we bring more people to this planet, shouldn't we give a
>thought to those already here?

Not with Catholics running the show in developing nations.

--

johac presented the following explanation :
> In article <mn.72ca7d74fc5e2fba.73271@att.net>,
> Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:

>> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
>>> German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells
>>
>>
>>> German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem cells taken
>>> from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a first step towards
>>> creating artificial sperm cells.
>>
>> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
>>
>> Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
>> :-(

> I suppose it could be of help to men who due to injury or disease cannot
> produce sperm normally. Of course whenever I hear of these expensive and
> possibly risky new fertility methods I always ask myself: "There are
> millions of children around the earth who have lost their parents or
> abandoned and would love to have a family. Why not adopt?"

EXACTLY! Precisely!


> Is it really that important to have our own genes in the next
> generation?

To wayyyyyyyy too many people it is of utmost importance - I think the
importance of such rises with a corresponding decrease in IQ.

> Also before we bring more people to this planet, shouldn't we give a
> thought to those already here?

But... but..... that is the sane and rational and logical reaction!
Surely you don't expect the majority of mankind to agree??????? lol

--
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito.

johac wrote:
> In article <mn.72ca7d74fc5e2fba.73271@att.net>,
> Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
>
>> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
>>> German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells
>>
>>
>>> German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem
>>> cells taken from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a
>>> first step towards creating artificial sperm cells.
>>
>> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
>>
>> Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
>> :-(
>
> I suppose it could be of help to men who due to injury or disease
> cannot produce sperm normally.


Or it could help women reproduce who don't want anything
at all to do with men ....



> Of course whenever I hear of these
> expensive and possibly risky new fertility methods I always ask
> myself: "There are millions of children around the earth who have
> lost their parents or abandoned and would love to have a family. Why
> not adopt?"


Indeed. Why not?


>
> Is it really that important to have our own genes in the next
> generation?

The genes think so ...

>
> Also before we bring more people to this planet, shouldn't we give a
> thought to those already here?

Too busy making sure Americans' Pets have enough pate and caviar to eat ...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:14:33 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:07:47 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
>wrote:
> - Refer: <rhc3231uneuenpnodo20p9jgpd24ibcurl@4ax.com>
>>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:35:25 -0400, in alt.atheism
>>Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
>><4p332356vlreo98letise229q7gjtrlaoo@4ax.com>:
>>>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:54:12 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
>>>
>>>Not enough intelligent ones, but a lot who seem to live by the adage,
>>>"God will provide, no matter how badly we screw up".
>>
>>Famine, pestilence, war, and death are traditionally the way God
>>provides for this.
>
>The Four Whores-men of the Acropolis?

The Four Whores-men of the US Government. (Three, since last
November.)

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:11:40 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
wrote:

>Al Klein wrote :
>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:54:12 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
>
>> Not enough intelligent ones, but a lot who seem to live by the adage,
>> "God will provide, no matter how badly we screw up".
>
>*nod* Until the earth says "enough" and we have another mass
>extinction.

I think that would be a perfectly good example of God providing - for
his planet.

In article <58euafF2g86gfU1@mid.individual.net>,
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:

> johac wrote:
> > In article <mn.72ca7d74fc5e2fba.73271@att.net>,
> > Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
> >>> German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells
> >>
> >>
> >>> German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem
> >>> cells taken from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a
> >>> first step towards creating artificial sperm cells.
> >>
> >> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
> >>
> >> Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
> >> :-(
> >
> > I suppose it could be of help to men who due to injury or disease
> > cannot produce sperm normally.
>
>
> Or it could help women reproduce who don't want anything
> at all to do with men ....

True. Good point.
>
>
>
> > Of course whenever I hear of these
> > expensive and possibly risky new fertility methods I always ask
> > myself: "There are millions of children around the earth who have
> > lost their parents or abandoned and would love to have a family. Why
> > not adopt?"
>
>
> Indeed. Why not?
>
>
> >
> > Is it really that important to have our own genes in the next
> > generation?
>
> The genes think so ...

But we have a choice.
>
> >
> > Also before we bring more people to this planet, shouldn't we give a
> > thought to those already here?
>
> Too busy making sure Americans' Pets have enough pate and caviar to eat ...

I'm an American and sadly I have to agree with that.
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

In article <mn.7a027d7467c4cb8d.73271@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:

> johac presented the following explanation :
> > In article <mn.72ca7d74fc5e2fba.73271@att.net>,
> > Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
> >>> German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells
> >>
> >>
> >>> German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem cells
> >>> taken
> >>> from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a first step towards
> >>> creating artificial sperm cells.
> >>
> >> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
> >>
> >> Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
> >> :-(
>
> > I suppose it could be of help to men who due to injury or disease cannot
> > produce sperm normally. Of course whenever I hear of these expensive and
> > possibly risky new fertility methods I always ask myself: "There are
> > millions of children around the earth who have lost their parents or
> > abandoned and would love to have a family. Why not adopt?"
>
> EXACTLY! Precisely!

Yep.
>
>
> > Is it really that important to have our own genes in the next
> > generation?
>
> To wayyyyyyyy too many people it is of utmost importance - I think the
> importance of such rises with a corresponding decrease in IQ.

This is sad but true. Some of the people least qualified to raise
children seem to have the most of them.
>
> > Also before we bring more people to this planet, shouldn't we give a
> > thought to those already here?
>
> But... but..... that is the sane and rational and logical reaction!
> Surely you don't expect the majority of mankind to agree??????? lol

Me, the eternal optimist. :-)
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:22:22 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
<theprof@jonez.net> wrote:

>Or it could help women reproduce who don't want anything
>at all to do with men ....

In vitro parthenogenesis?

In article <egp3239ho0fadgralhnfic57ukh3nd73s1@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:28:58 -0700, johac
> <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> - Refer: <jhachmann-F6D950.00285815042007@news.giganews.com>
> >In article <mn.72ca7d74fc5e2fba.73271@att.net>,
> > Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
> >> > German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells
> >>
> >>
> >> > German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem cells
> >> > taken
> >> > from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a first step
> >> > towards
> >> > creating artificial sperm cells.
> >>
> >> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
> >>
> >> Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
> >> :-(
> >
> >I suppose it could be of help to men who due to injury or disease cannot
> >produce sperm normally. Of course whenever I hear of these expensive and
> >possibly risky new fertility methods I always ask myself: "There are
> >millions of children around the earth who have lost their parents or
> >abandoned and would love to have a family. Why not adopt?"
> >
> >Is it really that important to have our own genes in the next
> >generation?
> >
> >Also before we bring more people to this planet, shouldn't we give a
> >thought to those already here?
>
> Not with Catholics running the show in developing nations.
>

I wish that these pro-life anti-contraception people would one day
realize that they are causing far more many deaths by starvation and
disease that they claim to 'save'.
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:36:52 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <mnd523luketms3sf0j5fbpodcgrgobag1g@4ax.com>
>On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:22:22 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
><theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
>
>>Or it could help women reproduce who don't want anything
>>at all to do with men ....
>
>In vitro parthenogenesis?

Sounds like a Greek Rock group.

--

Al Klein presented the following explanation :
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:11:40 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
> wrote:

>> Al Klein wrote :
>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:54:12 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
>>> Not enough intelligent ones, but a lot who seem to live by the adage,
>>> "God will provide, no matter how badly we screw up".
>>
>> *nod* Until the earth says "enough" and we have another mass
>> extinction.

> I think that would be a perfectly good example of God providing - for
> his planet.

No god involved - just the random chance of the universe (comet,
meteor, etc.) or the natural changes of global environment, or the
unnatural changes caused by humanity.

Speaking of natural - but very small - magma is moving south of me,
underground, of course. A friend lives above the passages (can't think
of the correct term) which run from the "Bulge" (magma pool)to my
favorite dormant volcano. She is having doors go out of alignment,
fence posts lean, small cracks appear and disappear in the adobe walls,
etc. Nothing dramatic expected for thousands of years - but I love the
idea of the dynamic actions of the earth beneath the feet of unknowing
or indifferent humans.

--
Tamdiu discendum est, quamdiu vivas.
Seneca

johac has brought this to us :
> In article <mn.7a027d7467c4cb8d.73271@att.net>,
> Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:

>> johac presented the following explanation :
>>> In article <mn.72ca7d74fc5e2fba.73271@att.net>,
>>> Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
>>>> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
>>>>> German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem cells
>>>>> taken
>>>>> from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a first step towards
>>>>> creating artificial sperm cells.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
>>>>
>>>> Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
>>>> :-(
>>
>>> I suppose it could be of help to men who due to injury or disease cannot
>>> produce sperm normally. Of course whenever I hear of these expensive and
>>> possibly risky new fertility methods I always ask myself: "There are
>>> millions of children around the earth who have lost their parents or
>>> abandoned and would love to have a family. Why not adopt?"
>>
>> EXACTLY! Precisely!

> Yep.
>>
>>
>>> Is it really that important to have our own genes in the next
>>> generation?
>>
>> To wayyyyyyyy too many people it is of utmost importance - I think the
>> importance of such rises with a corresponding decrease in IQ.

> This is sad but true. Some of the people least qualified to raise
> children seem to have the most of them.

And they produce children who are not qualified to raise kids, but do -
and the cycle continues.
>>
>>> Also before we bring more people to this planet, shouldn't we give a
>>> thought to those already here?
>>
>> But... but..... that is the sane and rational and logical reaction!
>> Surely you don't expect the majority of mankind to agree??????? lol

> Me, the eternal optimist. :-)

*Grin*

--
De inimico non loquaris sed cogites.

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:03:55 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
wrote:

>Speaking of natural - but very small - magma is moving south of me,
>underground, of course. A friend lives above the passages (can't think
>of the correct term)

Tubes? I know there's another one, which I can't think of (incipient
senility).

In article <mnd523luketms3sf0j5fbpodcgrgobag1g@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:22:22 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
> <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
>
> >Or it could help women reproduce who don't want anything
> >at all to do with men ....
>
> In vitro parthenogenesis?

Basically, yes. If it works, it might even avoid some of the problems
associated with cloning.
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

In article <mn.7d6a7d7446d18acb.73271@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:

> johac has brought this to us :
> > In article <mn.7a027d7467c4cb8d.73271@att.net>,
> > Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> johac presented the following explanation :
> >>> In article <mn.72ca7d74fc5e2fba.73271@att.net>,
> >>> Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
> >>>> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
> >>>>> German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem cells
> >>>>> taken
> >>>>> from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a first step
> >>>>> towards
> >>>>> creating artificial sperm cells.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
> >>>> :-(
> >>
> >>> I suppose it could be of help to men who due to injury or disease cannot
> >>> produce sperm normally. Of course whenever I hear of these expensive and
> >>> possibly risky new fertility methods I always ask myself: "There are
> >>> millions of children around the earth who have lost their parents or
> >>> abandoned and would love to have a family. Why not adopt?"
> >>
> >> EXACTLY! Precisely!
>
> > Yep.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Is it really that important to have our own genes in the next
> >>> generation?
> >>
> >> To wayyyyyyyy too many people it is of utmost importance - I think the
> >> importance of such rises with a corresponding decrease in IQ.
>
> > This is sad but true. Some of the people least qualified to raise
> > children seem to have the most of them.
>
> And they produce children who are not qualified to raise kids, but do -
> and the cycle continues.

Yes. Most parents learn how to parent from their parents. And everyone
thinks he/she is an 'expert' on raising their own kids.

> >>
> >>> Also before we bring more people to this planet, shouldn't we give a
> >>> thought to those already here?
> >>
> >> But... but..... that is the sane and rational and logical reaction!
> >> Surely you don't expect the majority of mankind to agree??????? lol
>
> > Me, the eternal optimist. :-)
>
> *Grin*
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

Al Klein wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:22:22 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
> <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
>
>> Or it could help women reproduce who don't want anything
>> at all to do with men ....
>
> In vitro parthenogenesis?

There would be fertilization of the egg, by the sperm created
from the mother's bone cells.

johac wrote:
> In article <mnd523luketms3sf0j5fbpodcgrgobag1g@4ax.com>,
> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:22:22 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>> <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Or it could help women reproduce who don't want anything
>>> at all to do with men ....
>>
>> In vitro parthenogenesis?
>
> Basically, yes. If it works, it might even avoid some of the problems
> associated with cloning.

And the women wouldn't have to worry about having any male babies either ...

Welcome to the Planet of the Amazons.

Al Klein laid this down on his screen :
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:03:55 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
> wrote:

>> Speaking of natural - but very small - magma is moving south of me,
>> underground, of course. A friend lives above the passages (can't think
>> of the correct term)

> Tubes? I know there's another one, which I can't think of (incipient
> senility).

Conduit, I think. Sometime dike: "A volcanic dike is a planar sheet of
magma parallel to the local rock strata. Dikes transport magma and
sills store magma. Thickness of dikes can range from a few cm to 1 km.
A single dike may exist over tens of kilometers in length."

http://www.volcanolive.com/dike.html

I've been in a tube not terribly far from home; it is filled with ice
(it dips below ground quite deeply). Amazing the temperature drop as
one decends the ladder! Another tube is open at both ends, and one can
travel through it. However, there is no path! I was not allowed to go
through it; this was pre-back surgery and everyone was worried I might
fall. :-( Wise decision.... no one in the group come through it
unbloodied!! But sitting waiting for everyone else was.... well... not
fun.

For one who is fascinated by volcanos, I live in a great location!!
:-)

Pang

--
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.

johac explained on 4/16/2007 :
> In article <mn.7d6a7d7446d18acb.73271@att.net>,
> Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:

>> johac has brought this to us :
>>> In article <mn.7a027d7467c4cb8d.73271@att.net>,
>>> Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
>>>> johac presented the following explanation :
>>>>> In article <mn.72ca7d74fc5e2fba.73271@att.net>,
>>>>> Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
>>>>>>> German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem cells
>>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>> from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a first step
>>>>>>> towards
>>>>>>> creating artificial sperm cells.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
>>>>>> :-(
>>>>
>>>>> I suppose it could be of help to men who due to injury or disease cannot
>>>>> produce sperm normally. Of course whenever I hear of these expensive and
>>>>> possibly risky new fertility methods I always ask myself: "There are
>>>>> millions of children around the earth who have lost their parents or
>>>>> abandoned and would love to have a family. Why not adopt?"
>>>>
>>>> EXACTLY! Precisely!
>>
>>> Yep.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Is it really that important to have our own genes in the next
>>>>> generation?
>>>>
>>>> To wayyyyyyyy too many people it is of utmost importance - I think the
>>>> importance of such rises with a corresponding decrease in IQ.
>>> This is sad but true. Some of the people least qualified to raise
>>> children seem to have the most of them.
>>
>> And they produce children who are not qualified to raise kids, but do -
>> and the cycle continues.

> Yes. Most parents learn how to parent from their parents. And everyone
> thinks he/she is an 'expert' on raising their own kids.

I do so miss teaching my parenting classes. :-(

One of the "new employees" has been assigned the parenting classes. My
friend who is still employed has told me she feels sorry for the
newbie. The newbie will go and sit and wait in the parenting room -
and no one will come.

Pang - who has ambivilant feelings about that

>>>>
>>>>> Also before we bring more people to this planet, shouldn't we give a
>>>>> thought to those already here?
>>>>
>>>> But... but..... that is the sane and rational and logical reaction!
>>>> Surely you don't expect the majority of mankind to agree??????? lol
>>> Me, the eternal optimist. :-)
>>
>> *Grin*

--
De inimico non loquaris sed cogites.

In article <58ifp6F1bcrvjU1@mid.individual.net>,
"_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:

> johac wrote:
> > In article <mnd523luketms3sf0j5fbpodcgrgobag1g@4ax.com>,
> > Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:22:22 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
> >> <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Or it could help women reproduce who don't want anything
> >>> at all to do with men ....
> >>
> >> In vitro parthenogenesis?
> >
> > Basically, yes. If it works, it might even avoid some of the problems
> > associated with cloning.
>
> And the women wouldn't have to worry about having any male babies either ...
>
> Welcome to the Planet of the Amazons.

True. That would mean they wouldn't need men....uh,oh!
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

In article <mn.84c37d740aef378a.73271@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:

> johac explained on 4/16/2007 :
> > In article <mn.7d6a7d7446d18acb.73271@att.net>,
> > Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> johac has brought this to us :
> >>> In article <mn.7a027d7467c4cb8d.73271@att.net>,
> >>> Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
> >>>> johac presented the following explanation :
> >>>>> In article <mn.72ca7d74fc5e2fba.73271@att.net>,
> >>>>> Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote on 4/14/2007 :
> >>>>>>> German researchers turn bone stem cells into primitive sperm cells
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> German researchers announced Friday that they have turned stem cells
> >>>>>>> taken
> >>>>>>> from human bone marrow into primitive sperm cells in a first step
> >>>>>>> towards
> >>>>>>> creating artificial sperm cells.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh, great! As if we don't have neough people on this planet as is!!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pang - contemplating Spaceship Earth and its diminishing resources...
> >>>>>> :-(
> >>>>
> >>>>> I suppose it could be of help to men who due to injury or disease
> >>>>> cannot
> >>>>> produce sperm normally. Of course whenever I hear of these expensive
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> possibly risky new fertility methods I always ask myself: "There are
> >>>>> millions of children around the earth who have lost their parents or
> >>>>> abandoned and would love to have a family. Why not adopt?"
> >>>>
> >>>> EXACTLY! Precisely!
> >>
> >>> Yep.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Is it really that important to have our own genes in the next
> >>>>> generation?
> >>>>
> >>>> To wayyyyyyyy too many people it is of utmost importance - I think the
> >>>> importance of such rises with a corresponding decrease in IQ.
> >>> This is sad but true. Some of the people least qualified to raise
> >>> children seem to have the most of them.
> >>
> >> And they produce children who are not qualified to raise kids, but do -
> >> and the cycle continues.
>
> > Yes. Most parents learn how to parent from their parents. And everyone
> > thinks he/she is an 'expert' on raising their own kids.
>
> I do so miss teaching my parenting classes. :-(
>
> One of the "new employees" has been assigned the parenting classes. My
> friend who is still employed has told me she feels sorry for the
> newbie. The newbie will go and sit and wait in the parenting room -
> and no one will come.
>
> Pang - who has ambivilant feelings about that

I can understand. Because I spoke out to the wrong person about funny
business and executive incompetency in one of my last jobs I was 'asked'
to leave. I read recently that the drug I helped develop has passed some
critical clinical trials and the company may make it after all.

I too have mixed feelings about that.
>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Also before we bring more people to this planet, shouldn't we give a
> >>>>> thought to those already here?
> >>>>
> >>>> But... but..... that is the sane and rational and logical reaction!
> >>>> Surely you don't expect the majority of mankind to agree??????? lol
> >>> Me, the eternal optimist. :-)
> >>
> >> *Grin*
--
John #1782

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:14:58 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
wrote:

>For one who is fascinated by volcanos, I live in a great location!!

Volcanoes, fossils, great sunsets ...

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:45:52 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>In article <58ifp6F1bcrvjU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
>
>> johac wrote:
>> > In article <mnd523luketms3sf0j5fbpodcgrgobag1g@4ax.com>,
>> > Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:22:22 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>> >> <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Or it could help women reproduce who don't want anything
>> >>> at all to do with men ....
>> >>
>> >> In vitro parthenogenesis?
>> >
>> > Basically, yes. If it works, it might even avoid some of the problems
>> > associated with cloning.
>>
>> And the women wouldn't have to worry about having any male babies either ...
>>
>> Welcome to the Planet of the Amazons.
>
>True. That would mean they wouldn't need men....uh,oh!

Some of them might still want some of us, though.

Al Klein expressed precisely :
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:14:58 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net>
> wrote:

>> For one who is fascinated by volcanos, I live in a great location!!

> Volcanoes, fossils, great sunsets ...

great food, big sky, a resident 3 inch lizard who threatens me every
time I step from the back door, mountain streams, dust devils, an
ancient salt spring - maybe 15 mil. yrs old?, etc.

Now if all the people would disappear but me and a select few others...

Pang

--
Tamdiu discendum est, quamdiu vivas.
Seneca

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:48:42 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <ogg923p2473j5md429cuuqos29r779vsb7@4ax.com>
>On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:45:52 -0700, johac
><jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <58ifp6F1bcrvjU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "_ Prof. Jonez _" <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
>>
>>> johac wrote:
>>> > In article <mnd523luketms3sf0j5fbpodcgrgobag1g@4ax.com>,
>>> > Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:22:22 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>>> >> <theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Or it could help women reproduce who don't want anything
>>> >>> at all to do with men ....
>>> >>
>>> >> In vitro parthenogenesis?
>>> >
>>> > Basically, yes. If it works, it might even avoid some of the problems
>>> > associated with cloning.
>>>
>>> And the women wouldn't have to worry about having any male babies either ...
>>>
>>> Welcome to the Planet of the Amazons.
>>
>>True. That would mean they wouldn't need men....uh,oh!
>
>Some of them might still want some of us, though.

As pets and slaves.